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aturnis 12-05-2012 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9184050)
smith did the same thing to oklahoma that RG3 did...he just has the worst d in the country, so they lost

his 4th quarter ass raping of the 8th ranked pass defense in the country should 'wow' anyone who isn't a ****ing dill hole...

his pass from his own endzone, with the pocket collapsing, between 3 defenders, is as clutch and fine a pass as any QB threw this year...if that doesn't 'wow' you then you should off yourself along with black reerun...

The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...

O.city 12-05-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9184136)
The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...

Not calling you out specifically, but this is something alot of people say, but have no idea about.


People think reading defenses consists of "looking at multiple wr's, Rb's Te's, etc, once the ball is snapped"

Which is absolutely crazy talk.

Most offenses have reads based on coverages, which are determined presnap or split second post snap.

Once it's snapped, a QB has one read, then a second, etc. Not often do they get passed the 2nd. IMO, reading defenses isn't a problem with alot of QB's, or atleast isn't the main problem.


It's pocket awareness, or knowing how much time you have in the pocket to go thru multiple reads. Cassel doesn't read defenses well, which is magnified by the fact aht he doesn't have any pocket awareness so he can't make quick reads from the pocket.

Geno has some of the best pocket awareness of any prospect not named Luck. Hell thats one area that he gets pretty close to Luck.

the Talking Can 12-05-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9184077)
A bit of validation for my push for a trade down to get Geno at value. Frankly, admittedly based on yet incomplete data I would be perfectly happy with either Murray or Wilson at value than drafting Geno at the top of the draft.

This last scenario is gradually becoming my favorite one. Maybe trading the top pick to someone head over heals in love with Jarvis Jones and use the later round one pick or our top 2nd on, say, Murray.

murray?

wtf?

mcaj22 12-05-2012 10:45 PM

im fine with Tyler Wilson

and when that fails in 2 years I will be more than happy with Teddy Bridgewater

the Talking Can 12-05-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9184136)
The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...

i find it hard to believe you can put up the numbers he did, throwing the amount he did, with only 6 ints, and not 'read defenses'....

i realize he isn't perfect, but unless they're comparing these flaws to some standard, they're rather meaningless evaluations...

is he bad at reading defenses, or bad compared to peyton manning?...

keg in kc 12-05-2012 10:49 PM

Talking about this before March is kind of pointless.

Hammock Parties 12-05-2012 10:49 PM

Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-05-2012 10:50 PM

Did Kliff play in a pro style offense his sophomore year and play very well? Didn't think so...

Frankie 12-05-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9184115)
Say you draft Teo. Whats the absolute best scenario you can get out of that? Can a MLB Ted backer in a 34 scheme carry you to where you wanna go?

If (big IF) Te'o is what they say he is (and not a Notre Dame lust hype by the media) then yes. Provided we use the top of the 2nd on Murray, Wilson, or maybe even Bray. Our LB corps will be next to none. and we still get a QB we can count on panning out well. I've been very encouraged by what Dungy said about Murray and what I saw of him in the Alabama game. Granted I didn't see the entire game. Stat-wise too he compares well with Geno. See attached.

ChiefsCountry 12-05-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9184164)
Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.

Guess who drafted him.

keg in kc 12-05-2012 10:53 PM

"Our LB corps will be next to none".

Who gives a **** about that?

the Talking Can 12-05-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9184164)
Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.

6 is significantly different than 13....6 makes ints almost an anomaly given the volume of throws

and again, the point is they never qualify the criticisms...does he need to get better reading defenses (likely)? does he struggle reading defenses (less likely)? is he bad at reading defenses (lol)? does he not read defenses (absurd)?

etc

the Talking Can 12-05-2012 10:54 PM

LBs don't win superbowls

jesus titty christ people

SAUTO 12-05-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9184180)
Guess who drafted him.

Patriots
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DaneMcCloud 12-05-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9184179)
If (big IF) Te'o is what they say he is

Te'o isn't Ray Lewis.

Te'o isn't Patrick Willis.

Te'o isn't Brian Urlacher.

Te'o isn't D'Qwell Jackson.

He may be a solid NFL linebacker but until he runs a 4.3 forty, measures 6'2 and weights 260 pounds at the Combine, the guy, IMO, is a mid-to-late draft choice at best.

He's most likely, IMO, a second round talent at best.


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