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Sully 12-19-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11202565)
Dropping 3 DBs back into deep coverage isn't a defense against a bubble screen. You've completely ignored that point....

That's meaningless.

You have no idea what those defensive guys are keying.

Fish 12-19-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 11202584)
http://i.imgur.com/U9oEs3T.jpg

What 3 DBs are you talking about? I see 1 DB beyond 10 yards of the LOS, another DB and LB within 10 yards of it.

Can you count to 11? There's another DB off the screen he's so far deep.

JENKINSWINS 12-19-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11202593)
Can you count to 11? There's another DB off the screen he's so far deep.

The safety was deep and out of that picture, but judging by his late reaction on making a move towards Kelce, he was keyed in on DAT as well.

Fish 12-19-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 11202608)
The safety was deep and out of that picture, but judging by his late reaction on making a move towards Kelce, he was keyed in on DAT as well.

Why would a safety be deep and out of the picture if they were supposedly expecting a screen pass?

listopencil 12-19-2014 02:43 PM

In real time I'd say no. I guess it's possible though. You can kind of see it. Maybe they are faking a play where Kelce blocks #25, the other receiver gets the ball down low and makes one guy miss, follows Kelce down the sideline and into the end zone.

hometeam 12-19-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 11202608)
The safety was deep and out of that picture, but judging by his late reaction on making a move towards Kelce, he was keyed in on DAT as well.

Im not sure what you are trying to prove with this thread.

Whatever it is, its wrong, since your whole basis is wrong.

JENKINSWINS 12-19-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11202616)
Why would a safety be deep and out of the picture if they were supposedly expecting a screen pass?

But the other 2 DBs in the picture are not deep and backpedaling.

listopencil 12-19-2014 02:46 PM

I don't know if you can call it a bubble screen though when there are only two offensive and two defensive players involved. I tend to think of a bubble screen as a play designed to get +1 offensive player in specific parts of the field so he has potentially great blocking after the catch.

Fish 12-19-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 11202692)
But the other 2 DBs in the picture are not deep and backpedaling.

There are 5 DBs on the field for Oakland in nickel coverage. Woodson, Brown, Hayden, Carrie, and Ross. Woodson and Carrie are playing press man coverage at the line. Brown and Hayden are both way off the line. Ross is about 20 yards deep in the middle of the field. When the ball is snapped, Brown sits tight 7yds deep in coverage, Hayden starts backpedaling, and even Burris, the LB drops 10 yards deep in coverage. Ross remains so deep he's completely off the screen.

There's no indication that the Raiders were expecting a screen pass. Other than Woodson and Carrie, the rest of the DBs and and even a LB are dropping back in coverage. At the time the ball is released, there are 3DBs and 1 LB at least 7yds off the line of scrimmage. That's just not screen pass coverage.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2rrvrzq.jpg

Here's the instant the ball was released. 2 of the DBs aren't even visible on the screen.

JENKINSWINS 12-19-2014 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11202746)
There are 5 DBs on the field for Oakland in nickel coverage. Woodson, Brown, Hayden, Carrie, and Ross. Woodson and Carrie are playing press man coverage at the line. Brown and Hayden are both way off the line. Ross is about 20 yards deep in the middle of the field. When the ball is snapped, Brown sits tight 7yds deep in coverage, Hayden starts backpedaling, and even Burris, the LB drops 10 yards deep in coverage. Ross remains so deep he's completely off the screen.

There's no indication that the Raiders were expecting a screen pass. Other than Woodson and Carrie, the rest of the DBs and and even a LB are dropping back in coverage. At the time the ball is released, there are 3DBs and 1 LB at least 7yds off the line of scrimmage. That's just not screen pass coverage.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2rrvrzq.jpg

Here's the instant the ball was released. 2 of the DBs aren't even visible on the screen.

Whatever the case, it was definitely set up successfully by the prior bubble screens that they ran earlier in the game.

Sorter 12-19-2014 04:08 PM

http://i.imgur.com/62hB1fc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LyDpOSX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FeNziaF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h4Ff8Lx.jpg

jd1020 12-19-2014 05:28 PM

Charles was in the backfield and he didn't get the ball... FAKE RUN!!!

mdchiefsfan 12-19-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11203071)
Charles was in the backfield and he didn't get the ball... FAKE RUN!!!

LMAO

listopencil 12-19-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11203071)
Charles was in the backfield and he didn't get the ball... FAKE RUN!!!

Smith faked the hand off and the line looked like it was showing run action.

Simply Red 12-19-2014 06:00 PM

I'm not sitting through TWO ****ING 30 sec ads for Courtyard featuring Rich ****ing Eisen.

Learn alternative embedding or video sources. That sucks and is a huge waste of time. So with that said, my conclusion is entirely opposite of OP's - whatever his opinion is - mine is the opposite!


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