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DJ's left nut 04-29-2013 12:46 PM

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Dorsey to SNR.

WV 04-29-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9643917)
why would they not negotiate?

Maybe the initial offers were so far apart they didn't negotiate for very long, but i don't see why they wouldn't negotiate at all.

I don't see why they wouldn't either, but we aren't reading a lot about that and that is my point. Perhaps they didn't really negotiate in good faith because they wanted to move on or were set on moving him positions and when he balked they abandoned everything.

We don't really know and that is my point with BA being painted as the bad guy in all of this.

Frosty 04-29-2013 12:59 PM

My only gut ache with this is we have no idea if Albert can play guard at a high level in the NFL. He was good in college but has played the last 5 years at LT and adjusted his weight accordingly. He might prove to just be adequate, not great, which wouldn't justify the huge contract.

Also, it's hilarious (or sad, not sure which) that after five years of hearing "move Albert to guard and draft a LT" it looks like it may happen.

RealSNR 04-29-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a pp roach (Post 9643915)
worry about replacing terrance copper?

more like "bye"

Terrance Copper will leave a huge hole in this roster (and my heart) when he departs from the league. We need to take advantage of every single year he's able to play at a high level.

Hammock Parties 04-29-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9643920)

Saved for use on mindless homers. ROFL

Mr. Laz 04-29-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WV (Post 9643932)
I don't see why they wouldn't either, but we aren't reading a lot about that and that is my point. Perhaps they didn't really negotiate in good faith because they wanted to move on or were set on moving him positions and when he balked they abandoned everything.

We don't really know and that is my point with BA being painted as the bad guy in all of this.

you still haven't given any real reason why they wouldn't negotiate

'we didn't hear about it' isn't a reason

only reasons i can think of are:

1. back is really a problem
2. high money demands
3. money demands don't match Albert's skill in their opinion

either way they had to talk to Albert ... at least some

Hoover 04-29-2013 02:14 PM

Why Branden Albert should negotiate with the Chiefs.

1. He is currently employed by the Chiefs.
2. The Chiefs have committed to paying him $9MM next year.
3. His value may never be higher. It's in his best interest to get a long-term deal now, not a year from know. His value nose dives if he has more back problems or gets hurt.

Why the Chiefs need to deal openly with Albert.

1. Albert is a current employee.
2. They have a lot of money ($9MM) invested in him.
3. With Fisher now a Chief, Albert's leverage is minimal.
4. Offer him a long-term deal as a LG or RT.
5. If he balks ask him what he finds more offensive. The fact that the Dolphins would only offer the 54th pick in the draft for him, or that his current team is willing to invest $45 million over a number of years but asks that he plays a new position, which could actually prolong his career.

The Chiefs actually present Albert's best deal as far as his career in the NFL goes.

Marcellus 04-29-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9644101)
Why Branden Albert should negotiate with the Chiefs.

1. He is currently employed by the Chiefs.
2. The Chiefs have committed to paying him $9MM next year.
3. His value may never be higher. It's in his best interest to get a long-term deal now, not a year from know. His value nose dives if he has more back problems or gets hurt.

Why the Chiefs need to deal openly with Albert.

1. Albert is a current employee.
2. They have a lot of money ($9MM) invested in him.
3. With Fisher now a Chief, Albert's leverage is minimal.
4. Offer him a long-term deal as a LG or RT.
5. If he balks ask him what he finds more offensive. The fact that the Dolphins would only offer the 54th pick in the draft for him, or that his current team is willing to invest $45 million over a number of years but asks that he plays a new position, which could actually prolong his career.

The Chiefs actually present Albert's best deal as far as his career in the NFL goes.

KC is not paying Albert $45MM to play RT or G. Not going to happen. Period.

Nor should it.

WV 04-29-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9644017)
you still haven't given any real reason why they wouldn't negotiate

'we didn't hear about it' isn't a reason

only reasons i can think of are:

1. back is really a problem
2. high money demands
3. money demands don't match Albert's skill in their opinion

either way they had to talk to Albert ... at least some

From going back and looking for articles or stories about it, they seem to have pretty much given up after he told them he wasn't willing to switch positions. Which is a perfectly fine stance for him to take, no one willingly takes a demotion when it effects their wallets.

Hoover 04-29-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9644117)
KC is not paying Albert $45MM to play RT or G. Not going to happen. Period.

Nor should it.

Why not. We have Fisher for peanuts for the next five years. So if you are dead set against giving Albert real money for playing the G or RT are you ready to shell it out to Asamoah?

AdumbGuy 04-29-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9643793)
Pay the man !


I don't care what it costs, it's not my money !

We need the best line we can get and keeping Albert makes our line better.

This times a million.

BlackHelicopters 04-29-2013 02:44 PM

Albert is a whiny bitch, but he is using the Only leverage he can in the NFL. I would send him to KCI sooner rather than later.

Marcellus 04-29-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9644131)
Why not. We have Fisher for peanuts for the next five years. So if you are dead set against giving Albert real money for playing the G or RT are you ready to shell it out to Asamoah?

Asamoah isn't asking for $45MM.

What will you do at the end of the Albert contract when Fisher is due to get paid and you just paid your RT $45MM?

I am not saying you can't pay your 2 tackles $12-15MM a year combined but that $ could be spent in other places.

Direckshun 04-29-2013 02:49 PM

If you're going to move him, move him to guard.

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: open competition between Allen, Schwartz, and Stephenson

RealSNR 04-29-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9644163)
Asamoah isn't asking for $45MM.

What will you do at the end of the Albert contract when Fisher is due to get paid and you just paid your RT $45MM?

I am not saying you can't pay your 2 tackles $12-15MM a year combined but that $ could be spent in other places.

So then cap Albert's extension at ending one year before the end of Fisher's. That gives the Chiefs some evaluation time of both players, and if they still want to keep Albert, they can sign him to another less expensive veteran contract. Or let him walk. Or keep him and let Fisher go. At least is keeps your options open.

And the best part is all that is getting done while Fisher plays at a much smaller price.


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