Oklahoma City Boom

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I'm here, I'm here. I'm just letting the thread season a little bit before we start the next step.

I still can't believe no one wants to take part in a draft challenge. making your own picks on the clock for the chiefs this season, ans seeing who really knows their shit when it comes to the draft. It wouldn't be that hard, and would show who REALLy knows about prospects.

Because we hate the draft and are all ready to vomit unto death.

I wonder if some people are worried they'll get an unfair amount of shit for their decisions.

Orlando Beakers

Or hopefully they're just still trying to come up with a good name :)

How the **** am I supposed to know what the Arrowhead CIA is going to do "on the clock"? You want me to put my OWN team together comprised strictly of draft picks and then see who has the highest numbers at the end of the season, I can do THAT.

You want me to pick the biggest impact player from the Chiefs top 4 this year? I can do THAT, and I'll kick everyone else's asses doing it!

But with the Chiefs new MO's, there's no way in HELL I'm jumping in to trying to predict their minds on draft day.

Its a game bud, and it doesn't involve predicting anything don't worry

Is this still going on? I want in.

I would like to claim ownership of the Fargo Rape

I haven't read all the posts. I will take Austin if no one else has.

Sorry to bring this thread back up, but I wanted to clarify this.


The draft challenge would be nothing more than you making the pick for the chiefs. It has nothing to do with what the chiefs do. It's who you would pick.
We start a thread on draft day, and while the chiefs are on the clock you make your pick of the available players. It's as simple as that. Then we can see who's picks bust, and who's pick excell. I know that none of the draft gurus will do it though. because they never like to be held to their picks. They like to come back later, and say how dumb the chiefs picks were, but won't make a record of who they would have picked.

I will take Wichita if no one else does.

When are we going to start judging these picks though? If I take Sanchez or Stafford at 3rd overall, and they don't start with their respective teams???
Not everybody are the Chiefs, who are going to start Brandon Flowers in week one against the Pats, yes?

You may have to wait a while to brag about your pick. It may be that way with any pick, but if he does turn into a stud, or flop, we'll know. We're gonna be here for years, No?

True enough.

I'm surprised some of the more knowledgeable people on here haven't signed up.

Maybe some of them don't have the time, but considering how much time they spend talking about football I can't comprehend there being disinterest.

Have some balls. It's a game. Have some fun with it.

Without the instant gratification, it kinda' loses a lot of appeal.

This is not what the rules say.

It will be conducted post-draft, and we will have the benefit of knowing the entire draft and who will be available at later selections.

Unfortunate, but more practical than doing it during the draft.

Uh, when you fella's get this figured out, get back to us.

Did you read my post?

Did I stutter?

I read your post. I still have no idea what we're doing.

After the draft we all say who we would have taken in the Chiefs' spots. You do this every year and build your own unique team over the coming years.

That's really all you need to know.

So basically, we cherry pick anyone who has declared? What happens if your late-late round guys get put out on the waiver wire?

See Step 2 of the original post. You can draft players who were still available with each of your picks. If your players are cut, that means you're a bad GM and you get a higher pick next year and the coveted Matt Millen Trophy.

You know, I enjoyed watching 8 million hours of Quarterback video for nothing so much, I'd like to repeat that for 21 more roster spots!!!:thumb:

Pass.

If you don't use your knowledge, you'll lose it.

(I'm using future tense as a courtesy.)

And you do of course realize noone is expected to do anything of the sort, right?

Rainman: LMAO

Only if you want to win.

:doh!: He'll be here all week ladies and germs! :p

You can put however much time you want into it and still have a chance at winning.

Give it a shot

Link to the thread for signups?

We're up to 28 teams. Still plenty of room.

The draft is dead to me now.

Bump in preparation for the end of Day 2.

Rainman - one question: In Step 2 you say "draft day trades". I assume this means that we are stuck with whatever trades were made prior to the draft. (i.e. we don't get to undo the Cassel trade.)

Okay, everyone. Alternate Reality Game 1 is now officially up and running.


You will do the following:


1. State whether you accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade or not. If yes, you have those two players and lose your 2nd round pick. If no, you have the second-round pick but not the players.

2. State whether you accept the Tony Gonzalez trade or not.

3. Go through the draft and, using the Chiefs' available picks, draft your own 2009 rookie class. You can draft anyone who went at or below each Chiefs pick.

Once this is done, we will wait until the end of training camp and then do our 35-man cutdown.

If anyone new wants to join, feel free. Now's a perfect time.

Are we just supposed to post our drafts here?

And the Tony Gonzales trade.....if we accept it...then our draft pick is just held over until the next draft?

Yep. Post your answers to the first two questions and then post your draft.

Since this is a long-term game, if you trade Tony G. you get a 2010 2nd rounder out of it.

Alright....I'll get right on that.

I'll take Des Moines

Alright....so here is my one issue.

It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time.

A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts).

Understand where I'm going with this?

that's why I don't like the idea of judging by stats, i think we may have to trust that everyone voting knows what kind of a season a player had or would've had based not only on stats

My initial thinking is that we won't be judging by stats. We'll let people each make an argument for the strengths of their team, and then let the voters decide who has the better team. I could see people using stats as part of their argument, but I don't think they should be the sole argument, in part because we know their stats would change with different teammates.

One big variable is indeed the fact that a Ron Brace could end up behind Vince Wilfork in real life when he's a starter for an Alternate Reality team. This is why I'm setting our draft to occur after the "real" draft, so we can at least handicap the odds of such things.

If someone has a different proposal for selecting the best teams, we can certainly discuss it, too. I think that is indeed the biggest weakness of this game.

The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.

I wonder if we could take it to an objective third party, like the Orange Mane or some other team's board. Or maybe WPI, now that I think about it.

I honestly don't care if some people vote for someone because they like them. To me this isn't about winning and it isn't about popularity. I'm using it to basically be like Madden without the video game system. I want to see what kind of team I can build.

If you take it to WPI......anyone that didn't accept the Cassel trade is going to get a shitty grade.

Oh and Rainman.....here are the picks if you want to put them in the opening post.

#3
(#34) If the Cassel/Vrabel trade isn't accepted
#67
#102
#139
#175
#212
(#237) If the 7th round trade is accepted. If it is then we lose a 7th round pick in 2010.
#256

Memphis Jackals

Cassel/Vrabel trade: **** NO.
Gonzo trade: Yes.
Rd7 trade: Yes.

2009 NFL Entry Draft:

#3 - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
#34 - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
#67 - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
#102 - Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
#139 - Jarrett Dillard, WR, Rice
#175 - Aaron Brown, RB, TCU
#212 - Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU
#237 - Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
#256 - Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia

1. The Slackers reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Slackers accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Slackers accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

The 2009 Sioux Falls Slackers NFL Draft

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Everette Brown - DE/OLB - Florida State
#67 - Jarron Gilbert - DE - San Jose State
#102 - Lawrence Sidbury - DE/OLB - Richmond
#139 - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon
#175 - Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State
#212 - A.Q. Shipley - OC/OG - Penn State
#237 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinatti
#256 - Chris Baker - NT - Hampton

Does the 35 players include the people we draft?

1. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

2009 Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys Draft

#3 - BJ Raji DT Boston College
#34 (Traded for Cassel)
#67 - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
#102 - Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
#139 - Cornelius Ingraham TE Florida
#175 - Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
#212 - Demetrius Byrd WR LSU
#237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
#256 - Chase Daniel QB Missouri

Yep.

I'm working on my team now. Just gotta review the draft.

Can I still get in? I'll go with Madison, WI if so.



Madison Beers

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:..._1152_1296.jpg

You're in.

1. The Hartford Manticores reject the Cassel/Vrable trade.
2. The Hartford Manticores accept the Tony Gonzalez trade.
3. The Hartford Manticores accept the 2009 7th Round pick for the 2010 7th Round pick trade.

The 2009 Hartford Manticores Draft:

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Ron Brace - NT - Boston College
#67 - Alex Magee - DT - Purdue
#102 - Donald Washington - CB - Ohio State
#139 - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
#175 - Quentin Lawrence - WR - McNeese State
#212 - A.Q. Shipley - C/OG - Penn State
#237 - Rashad Jennings - RB - Liberty
#256 - Dannell Ellerbe - LB - Georgia

35 players is going to mean that there is going to be a lot of scrubs playing if there are injuries. For instance....35 players equals out to be.

QB - 2
RB - 2
WR - 4
TE - 1
LT - 1
LG - 1
C - 1
RG - 1
RT - 1

LE - 2
NT - 2
RE - 2
LOLB - 2
LILB - 1
RILB - 1
ROLB - 2
CB - 4
FS - 2
SS - 1
K - 1
P - 1


Is that really enough? I'm thinking that we should cut it down to 8-10 scrubs.....or maybe less.

1. The Knoxville Nukes accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Knoxville Nukes accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Knoxville Nukes accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

2009 Knoxville Nukes Draft

#3 - Tyson Jackson DE LSU
#34 (Traded for Cassel)
#67 - Kraig Urbik G Wisconsin
#102 - Donald Washington CB Ohio State
#139 - Colin Brown OT Missouri
#175 - Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
#212 - Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
#237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
#256 - Ryan Succop K South Carolina

1. The Fresno Refugees reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Fresno Refugees accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Fresno Refugees accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

The 2009 Fresno Refugees NFL Draft

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Clint Sintim - OLB - Virginia
#67 - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
#102 - Donald Washington - CB - Ohio State
#139 - Colin Brown - OT - Missouri
#175 - Quinten Lawrence - WR - McNeese State
#212 - Javarris Williams - RB - Tennessee State
#237 - Jake O'Connell - WR - Miami (Ohio)
#256 - Ryan Succop - K - South Carolina

Rainman - can you please set a "LOCK" date on these? That would allow early birds to make changes up until the date you set, and ensure that we identify the teams that flake out well ahead of training camp.

Thanks for organizing this. Should be a lot of fun.

What do you mean by "LOCK" date?

It's a deadline for picking your draft decisions. Early birds (like the ones who have responded so far) aren't "locked" until that date, and anybody who fails to get their picks in prior to that date is disqualified.

Maybe one alternative to being disqualified would be they are forced to go with status quo Chiefs draft for that given year.

Can I get in on this? I want Spokane if so.

I like this. Maybe we lock as of 10 days before Chiefs training camp starts.

And I like the status quo draft thing for late arrivals, too. Let's do it.

You're in. Best of luck to the Spokane franchise.

1. The Duluth Normans reject the Cassel/Vrable trade.
2. The Duluth Normans reject the Tony Gonzalez trade.
3. The Duluth Normans reject the 2009 7th Round pick for the 2010 7th Round pick trade.

The 2009 Duluth Normans Draft:

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC (went to Jets)
#34 - Rey Maualuga - ILB - USC (went to Bengals)
#67 - Derrick Williams - WR - Penn State (went to Lions)
#102 - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt (went to Bears)
#139 - Duke Robinson - G - Oklahoma (went to Panthers)
#175 - Myron Pryor - DT - Kentucky (went to Patriots)
#212 - Zack Follett - OLB - California (went to Lions)
#237 - No pick - Rejected Trade
#256 - Alex Boone - OT - Ohio State (not drafted, signed by 49ers)

Two thoughts:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Just a thought: what would people think about this option? Using the NFL draft value chart, you can trade up or down by paying a premium of 15 percent. In other words, you can trade up if you pay at least 15 percent more than the stated value of the draft, or you can trade down if you accept 85 percent of the stated value of the picks you're losing. And any trades have to be with one other NFL team, not a combination. If we did this, I think we'd have to not allow trades using future year picks since there's no third-party table of those values. If people like it, let's do it, but otherwise I'm not hard-core about it.

This is a good point.

My initial thinking was that I didn't want people to just end up with the final 53 other than their draft picks, so I wanted to go lower. I thought maybe we could ramp the number up each year as the teams start to diverge from each other.

Should we start at 40?

And I guess maybe it doesn't make a lot of difference now that I think about it, because since we're all picking from a pretty similar pool (other than draft picks), most of us would have the same scrubs anyway.

What do others think?

He Rainman did you get my request for wanting the Des Moines team?

I'd love to be able to trade around

1. The Winston-Salem Warlocks accept the Cassel/Vrable trade.
2. The Winston-Salem Warlocks reject the Tony Gonzalez trade.
3. The Winston-Salem Warlocks reject the 2009 7th Round pick for the 2010 7th Round pick trade.

The 2009 Winston-Salem Warlocks Draft:

#3 - Curry, Aaron OLB Wake Forest
#67 - Tate, Brandon WR North Carolina
#102 - Washington, Donald CB Ohio State
#139 - Bomar, Rhett QB Sam Houston State
#175 - Gardner, Andrew OT Georgia Tech
#212 - Richard, Darryl DT Georgia Tech
#256 - Reed, Nick DE Oregon

Oh. Sorry. You're in. And because of our error, we'll also grant you exclusive TV rights to Iowa City for the 2009 season.

Do we have a second? (Robert's Rules of Order.)

Sounds good to me.

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th

LA Cobras Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

Damn only kept one chief pick oh well it fell that way

Actually, I just realized that the trade down option won't work. The only players you can pick are those that are below you, so if we allow trade downs, people will always trade down to the point where they can get the player they want. So we can't trade down (or if we do, it'd have to be a huge premium to do so, maybe 30 to 40 percent).

Trade ups wouldn't be a problem, though.

How about we either allow ONLY trade ups, or trade ups at a 15 percent cost and trade downs at a 35 percent cost, and only one trade down per year?

True, the whole hindsight w/ knowing how long the guy you'd have taken would last does make it too easy to trade down and get your guy. I just figured we'd all have that advantage so it'd at least be even. But this will keep it more realistic, I think those are both good solutions.