Marty will always get the majority of credit for that era. King Carl started us down this slide. His time to go was way overdue, just like Pioli's.

Marty should

He specialized in taking mediocre team talent and making the most out of it. His schemes made of point of dragging the game down into the mud and letting the other more talented team make mistakes and lose the game.

Now sadly once we got to the playoff the teams were talented enough to overcome those mistakes so we lost. That still doesn't change the face that Peterson didn't get the talent other teams did.

People complain about Pioli and QB ... Peterson didn't do shit at that position for 19 years.

King Carl was also a smug jerk who treated the fans like shit.

people have clearly forgotten what a douchebag is about

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I will always hate Carl. None of this changes that.

Personally, I think Marty + elite QB + aggressive OC would have been fantastic. However, that can be said for most teams. For all of Marty's faults I do appreciate the aggressiveness he instilled defensively.

Goddamn Dino Hackett was a stud.

Dino?

Geno?

GENO!

Yeah, right. The only thing that saddens Carl is that he's no longer Master Geppetto.

too bad Carl was too busy playing rock star and didn't furnish the team.

I'm saddened that Carl Peterson, Scott Pioli & Matt Cassell still breath.

fixed

LMAOLMAO

ROFL me too

I didn't (and still don't) have much of a problem with Carl Peterson. The first half of his tenure was great. He did an excellent job here; even if he never drafted a 1st round QB (but I place that more on Marty than Carl).

The middle portion (the Gunther seasons) were meh. I think he saw Gunther as a very good defensive coach and they had a QB who had shown signs of promise. But, it didn't work out and they went about .500 those two years.

He sold out to try and win a Superbowl with Vermeil. I was perfectly fine with that. I thought it was a good move. The Trent Green trade worked out well and they had teams that (I felt) were every bit as good as the teams that won the Superbowl (03 and 05); even if they never got there. Yes, the defense sucked but the opportunity was there and you could see progress.

The last part of his tenure sucked. I felt he dropped the ball with Herm. However, they had some solid draft choices that are being completely squandered by the current regime.

Overall, I thought Carl was solid, if not spectacular. To even compare Pioli to Carl is an insult. Pioli has completely sh*t in the face of this team and this town. They are completely wasting what talent they do have by forcefeeding us the QB and coaching situation. What's more, there is not a peep out of Arrowhead.

I hate this regime more than I hate anything.

I lost any and all hope in those two after the Gannon debacle.

**** Carl AND Marty.

Piss on them.

Piss on thier heads.

i lost any and all hope in Scott Pioli after the Tyson Jackson draft pick

so it kind of evens out

I lost any and all hope when Pioli signed Quinn after hearing about QB competition.