The blatant hold on the safety play in SB...
The rusher literally got piggyback bear-hugged. Why wasn't it called?
Now, I get that even if they had called it, the play would have resulted in a safety anyways, but it was obvious that they intended to hold to allow the punter to use as much time as possible. They have rules to prevent teams from taking a penalty in order to save time, shouldn't there be a rule to prevent teams from playing illegally to kill more time? http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap20...-play-it-smart |
I was more gassed by the Baltimore player taking a swing at the ref after the melee in the first half, no flag and no ejection.
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The results of the game would have been the same.
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So now we think the NFL has some input?...
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I agree that, normally, that should have been called. However, the refs in that game were clearly trying to let the players play and get out of the way, which I like. There were other similar no-calls earlier in the game, so I'm OK with that one not being called.
(And I was rooting for the 9ers for the record.) |
Not sure what the point to your question is?
It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the play or game. |
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Didn't matter AT ALL. A holding call would have resulted in a safety. Hell, John could have told his players to tackle all of the 49ers players and it wouldn't have changed anything. Really smart players probably held as much as they could that play.
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The 49ers earned their loss by playing like garbage for a half and then allowing a kickoff TD, but the zebras absolutely played a role in that game for the last 2 drives and that's a damn shame. |
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And when you're playing illegally in order to gain an advantage more valuable than the penalty that you'd take, there are rules that try to make doing that no longer a viable option. So what I'm saying is there should be a rule that if you get called for a hold(or some other penalty) while leading inside of 2 minutes, you take the penalty, don't lose a down however all time is put back on the clock prior to that play happening. Teams shouldn't be allowed to hold in order to burn more time off the clock. |
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On the other hand, though, what if the punter tripped over his own feet and fumbled and the refs had whistled it dead? |
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Holding calls are enforced after the play, therefore the time left on the clock would not have been affected. |
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Sure, by the letter of the law, he should have been ejected. But I kind like the way the game was officiated "fast and loose". |
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That said it's the SB. And they got away with a TON of holding calls. In fact, I don't remember one being called... |
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Posted by Darin Gantt on February 4, 2013, 9:04 AM EST Ravens cornerback Cary Williams called shoving a ref “a reaction,” and said he didn’t know who he was moving out of the pile during the second quarter fight that would have drawn more attention if it wasn’t followed by a brownout. But he also called the 49ers “a little dirty,” and said his helmet was “kicked off.” After Ed Reed’s interception triggered an altercation (“brawl” seems excessive, perhaps “melee” fits better) Williams clearly shoved an official with two hands, and could have been ejected on the spot. “It was a situation where I didn’t see who the heck I pushed,” Williams said, via Lindsay Jones of USA Today. Those guys kicked my helmet off, took my helmet off man, it’s just a part of the process. Whatever. “It’s a reaction. You see teammates out there getting hit late, guys pulling guys after the whistle. My helmet came off, I couldn’t barely see, and I just reacted. It is what it is.” Williams correctly assessed that the fight was the result of nearly a half of chippy play that went unchecked, and was eventually going to boil over because game officials didn’t have control of the proceedings. “The offensive line trying to be tough. Be tough between the whistles man. Don’t pull that crap after the damn whistle, man. I mean, I just felt like those guys were a little dirty. The refs should have thrown flags on them early on them in the game to stop that junk,” Williams said. “Sometimes you’ve got to retaliate, sometimes you have to show people we aren’t going to be pushed around. We do this. That’s been part of the Ravens defense for years, to show toughness, but we do it between the whistles.” He was fortunate he was able to do it at all in the second half, as he should have been sitting in the dark with the fans watching. |
Wow, 29 is going to get his ass destroyed by the NFL.
He went after an official? ROFL |
You cannot put your hands on an official.
I'll bet he gets a big ass fine. Bigger than the half time show ass. The perfect ending for this game would have been for Frank Gore to blow over Ray Lewis for the winning TD. |
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Not knowing who you were pushing is one thing.....but following the ref around screaming at him while you're teammates are trying to hold you back is completely different. Dude should have been ejected. |
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Overall, I liked that the teams moved the ball and not the zebras, still like others have said it's hard to accept that two of the most physical teams in football didn't hold the living hell out of each other on a lot of plays. The Ravens only penalties where roughing the QB and running into the kicker? Wow. |
The refs let a lot go both ways. I think it was the right call not to bog it down with flags.
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Williams is CLEARLY yelling at #49 the entire time. Watch the very end. The ref positioned himself between them and kept himself there.
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The non-call when Crabtree was held in the end zone was total bullshit. The announcers tried to justify the non-call by saying both guys were putting their hands on each other. To me it looked like Crabtree was held and was trying to fight off the guy holding him. That would have been the winning touchdown. I like the idea of letting guys play, but that doesn't mean you let the defense get away with murder. (Unless it's Ray Lewis, of course.) :-)
If the zebras are going to make that extremely questionable PI call that kept the Ravens drive alive that led to the winning field goal, they ought to at least be consistent. |
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When the safety play happened (which I didn't think was a good strategy to start with), I was shocked at how blatant the hold was. I see the point that you have to let the play continue, but that's a big loophole. If you want to kill 3 minutes, you can snap the ball to your most elusive running back, just tell every blocker to grab and bear hug the defender and hold them on the ground, and the runner can run all over the field trying to beat the one defender who isn't being held on the ground.
Now that I think about it, that would be a fun play to watch. |
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The helmet to helmet contact on Crabtree on the end was awful.
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I was wondering if the refs no-called it because the all was so overthrown, but if the receiver wasn't being blatantly held it might've been catchable It would've been a tough catch at best since it was overthrown a bit, but he would've had a shot. |
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I do believe it was called as expected... |
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they should have been instructed to hold. you don't reset the clock for that penalty, so if SF accepts any holding penalty, they gain literally nothing and lose seconds off the clock. smart hold, very very smart.
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I want to bitch about it kinda b/c I was pulling for the 49ers, but as has been said, drawing of a fade route with the game on the line is an awful idea. That said, BAL went blitz(yes?) and that's a good way to beat that. Same goes for the play earlier in the game when Kap threw a fade to Moss. BAL sells out, but Moss ran a slant which Kap couldn't hit b/c Reed was in the way. I was wondering if Moss just had a bad read and ran the wrong route. |
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That safety resulted in a lot of quarter pots and square number holders going from elation to :mad:
I was one of them. :( |
I think Chris Carter said something on Mike and Mike about the last play.
Said something about how the Cornerback had inside coverage and Crabtree ran the wrong route. Instead of stutter stepping to the left like he was going to slant and then accelerating to the pylon where the ball should have been, Crabtree ran right into the defender and got caught up with him. In those circumstances the refs will let the two fight for the ball and not throw a flag. But if he didn't initiate the contact and ran the right route, he might have got the holding call or the PI call or been able to get the football for a TD. I think I paraphrased what Chris Carter said. I could be off. |
They weren't going to let the outcome of the Super Bowl be decided by a penalty.
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I saw a 49ers lineman get away with an equivalent hold earlier in the quarter. As much as I like the idea of the refs letting the players play, the rules are there for a reason and need to be called when they happen. It seems there is always 1 team that does better at skirting the rules in these situations, I can think of at least 3 no-call PI calls that were not called against the Ravens, and the 1 time the throw a flag is when the WR tried to push off.
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I liked the way it was called, or not called in this case.
It was very noticeable though and I can definitely see were people could be unhappy. It's the ****ing Superbowl, I want to see the players sort it out. Throw the flags to keep control of the game but, for the most part, let them play. |
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I felt the Ravens got a lot of latitude from the refs-far more than the 49er's and substantially more than they would have in the regular season.
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Not to mention, he makes a great catch and manages to keep his feet in bounds, does he keep possession or drop the ball when he lands arms first on the ball? The what ifs could go on forever. I prefer a non-call to a botched call ANY DAY! |
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No penalty
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If I were a 49er fan, I'd be livid over that, the crappy pass interference AGAINST the 49ers on the drive right before that kept that drive alive, and the non-call on the 2-point conversion where Ed Reed arrived in the backfield at the same time as the snap. |
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