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Quesadilla Joe 07-09-2016 09:18 AM

Eric Berry ‘a bit surprised’ on lack of extension progress
 
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e88612427.html


Spoiler!

In58men 07-09-2016 09:23 AM

We should all panic.

SAUTO 07-09-2016 09:25 AM

IT'S OVER!

SAUTO 07-09-2016 09:26 AM

TO THE SINKING SHIP!

Mr. Laz 07-09-2016 09:58 AM

All depends on Berry's development at at the free/deep/coverage safety position. I doubt the Chiefs want to spend 10+ million for a box safety. I imagine Sutton wants a guy that can protect both sidelines deep so that he can blitz more. If Berry can do that then he will get his money. If not then they probably let him walk.


Let they crying begin.

ChiTown 07-09-2016 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12308012)
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e88612427.html

Spoiler!

Go fist your Sister, cock smoker

Red Dawg 07-09-2016 10:18 AM

The next two years we need him more than ever so Dorsey had better remember that. If he wants more than 10 then we are screwed. No way should we go that high.

Deberg_1990 07-09-2016 10:20 AM

I'm a bit surprised that Berry is "a bit surprised"

RunKC 07-09-2016 10:45 AM

Knowmo is reaching for anything he can possibly find to make himself feel better about the disaster that's taking place in Denver with Miller

Quesadilla Joe 07-09-2016 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12308108)
Knowmo is reaching for anything he can possibly find to make himself feel better about the disaster that's taking place in Denver with Miller

Things are going well with Von.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> left contract talks with Von last night in good place. Made several moves in attempt to reach deal. Definite progress.</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/751781108170186752">July 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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RealSNR 07-09-2016 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12308118)
Things are going well with Von.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> left contract talks with Von last night in good place. Made several moves in attempt to reach deal. Definite progress.</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/751781108170186752">July 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Things could be going just as well with Berry, and we just don't know about it.

Dorsey is a guy who pulled the pants down on NFL free agent coverage when out of nowhere it was revealed that Mitchell Schwartz signed a contract with us. He did the same thing with the Justin Houston extension, even though many people were watching that one closely.

He pulls rabbits out of the hat when people least expect it.

Your GM, meanwhile, doesn't know how to use the ****ing fax machine and as a result, misses important deadlines.

stevieray 07-09-2016 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12308118)
Things are going well with Von.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> left contract talks with Von last night in good place. Made several moves in attempt to reach deal. Definite progress.</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/751781108170186752">July 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Nobody cares, juvenile.

Quesadilla Joe 07-09-2016 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12308123)
Things could be going just as well with Berry, and we just don't know about it.

Dorsey is a guy who pulled the pants down on NFL free agent coverage when out of nowhere it was revealed that Mitchell Schwartz signed a contract with us. He did the same thing with the Justin Houston extension, even though many people were watching that one closely.

He pulls rabbits out of the hat when people least expect it.

Your GM, meanwhile, doesn't know how to use the ****ing fax machine and as a result, misses important deadlines.

Dorsey does seem to keep things quieter than Elway does. This is the first time I've heard anything come out about the Berry negotiations and obviously things aren't going as well as Berry would like.

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 11:16 AM

Shot across the bow from Berry's camp. He and Von are probably talking.:rolleyes:

ThaVirus 07-09-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12308075)
All depends on Berry's development at at the free/deep/coverage safety position. I doubt the Chiefs want to spend 10+ million for a box safety. I imagine Sutton wants a guy that can protect both sidelines deep so that he can blitz more. If Berry can do that then he will get his money. If not then they probably let him walk.


Let they crying begin.


He made the All-Pro team in his first season at FS

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12308118)
Things are going well with Von.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> left contract talks with Von last night in good place. Made several moves in attempt to reach deal. Definite progress.</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/751781108170186752">July 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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No they are not. This is just PR attempt by Elway to quiet the donkey masses, yes Elway made some movement in the contract but I assure you the total guaranteed $$ "still" isn't up to Von's liking. Friday next week is the deadline and it takes time to get trades done with other teams. Don't be surprised if Elway trades your boy for a couple of 1st rdrs or Von sitting out this next year which actually works in his favor for future dealings with other teams.

There is an unwritten rule by all good GMS that the only position that deserves Big guaranteed $$ is the QB, PERIOD. Look at the past 10-15 yrs of these big time defensive players getting big guaranteed $$. How many of them have produced to that level of $$??? They haven't or they get hurt. Dorsey is learning this lesson now with Houston. We don't know if he will come back as good. As much as I don't care for Elway personally, he is doing the right thing for your organization taking a page out Bellichek's book as all good GM's are starting to do now in reference to contract negotiations.

loochy 07-09-2016 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12308017)
We should all panic.

OMG INMEN SIGHTING
also, knowmo sucks

Rausch 07-09-2016 01:08 PM

I'd find the $$$ of the top S in the league and offer him $2 million less...

RealSNR 07-09-2016 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12308307)
I'd find the $$$ of the top S in the league and offer him $2 million less...

He's going to be the top paid safety in the league. If the Chiefs aren't the ones to give him the money, then another team will.

The only way I see him not getting that money is if he signs the one-year tender, and something goes horrifically wrong injury-wise this season.

Rausch 07-09-2016 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12308318)
He's going to be the top paid safety in the league. .

I hate to say it, I ****ING HATE TO SAY IT, but we make that two pick trade...

RealSNR 07-09-2016 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12308325)
I hate to say it, I ****ING HATE TO SAY IT, but we make that two pick trade...

Which one? If you're talking about a 1st and a 3rd for an exclusive rights tag, I have yet to see one of those happen.

The haul we got for Jared Allen still makes my jaw drop to this very day, considering his longterm money wasn't even close to being worked out AND the Vikings had to give up all that draft stock. Those mega deals for non-QBs are a thing of the past, I'd say.

Quesadilla Joe 07-09-2016 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12308307)
I'd find the $$$ of the top S in the league and offer him $2 million less...

If Berry signed his franchise tag he would be the highest paid safety in the league.

Rausch 07-09-2016 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12308335)
The haul we got for Jared Allen still makes my jaw drop to this very day, considering his longterm money wasn't even close to being worked out AND the Vikings had to give up all that draft stock. Those mega deals for non-QBs are a thing of the past, I'd say.

I love Berry, I LOVE BERRY, but I'd consider trading him for a high rake.

I still think he's best suited at FS myself.

Put Parker at SS and make that practice squad bitch man up...

Rausch 07-09-2016 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12308341)
If Berry signed his franchise tag he would be the highest paid safety in the league.

Clearly the idea would be to resign him and extend that...

O.city 07-09-2016 02:21 PM

Berry played free safety last year

milkman 07-09-2016 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12308356)
I love Berry, I LOVE BERRY, but I'd consider trading him for a high rake.

I still think he's best suited at FS myself.

Put Parker at SS and make that practice squad bitch man up...

You should watch soccer.

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12308318)
He's going to be the top paid safety in the league. If the Chiefs aren't the ones to give him the money, then another team will.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12308325)
I hate to say it, I ****ING HATE TO SAY IT, but we make that two pick trade...

Berry is good but he ain't Ed Reed which is what a lot of us thought we were getting in Berry. If and that is a big IF the right deal comes along you make that deal and only if you think your team can get along without Berry's leadership in the locker room on and off the field which is his biggest asset IMHO. That is a question none of us really know and Dorsey may not even really know that one either.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12308123)
Things could be going just as well with Berry, and we just don't know about it.

Dorsey is a guy who pulled the pants down on NFL free agent coverage when out of nowhere it was revealed that Mitchell Schwartz signed a contract with us. He did the same thing with the Justin Houston extension, even though many people were watching that one closely.

He pulls rabbits out of the hat when people least expect it.

Your GM, meanwhile, doesn't know how to use the ****ing fax machine and as a result, misses important deadlines.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

milkman 07-09-2016 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12308465)
Berry is good but he ain't Ed Reed which is what a lot of us thought we were getting in Berry. If and that is a big IF the right deal comes along you make that deal and only if you think your team can get along without Berry's leadership in the locker room on and off the field which is his biggest asset IMHO. That is a question none of us really know and Dorsey may not even really know that one either.

You are a dumbass.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-09-2016 03:02 PM

Trollin':

KnowMo is Aces High.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Xg9aQvjMS60" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Also, WELCOME BACK INMEM!

What a quality day for CP this is~!

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 03:06 PM

In all honesty I think Berry is replaceable. I mean, I really do like him, he's a thumper but he doesn't have elite range, elite cover skills and has never been an INT machine. A great safety should have all that.

notorious 07-09-2016 03:31 PM

I'm not losing any sleep.

If he wants to stay, good, if not then I will forget him.

This franchise stood behind him and paid a shitload while he was on the shelf. That has to count for something, so I don't think he's going anywhere.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12308480)
In all honesty I think Berry is replaceable. I mean, I really do like him, he's a thumper but he doesn't have elite range, elite cover skills and has never been an INT machine. A great safety should have all that.

I'm with you. $11 million dollars for a safety that rarely intercepts the ball or makes game changing plays is a waste of cap space.

I know it would be extremely unpopular with the fans but I'd let him play out the Franchise Tag and draft his replacement in 2017.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12308516)
I'm not losing any sleep.

If he wants to stay, good, if not then I will forget him.

This franchise stood behind him and paid a shitload while he was on the shelf. That has to count for something, so I don't think he's going anywhere.

He will not take a "hometown discount".

If they sign him long term, he'll be the highest paid safety in the league.

notorious 07-09-2016 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12308518)
He will not take a "hometown discount".

If they sign him long term, he'll be the highest paid safety in the league.

That's not what I was getting at.

The Chiefs paid him when he was on the shelf, which shows they want him and he has value to them. They would have cut him if not, and everyone would have understood.


They will pay Berry, and he is going to be a Chief for the next few years.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12308523)
That's not what I was getting at.

The Chiefs paid him when he was on the shelf, which shows they want him and he has value to them. They would have cut him if not, and everyone would have understood.


They will pay Berry, and he is going to be a Chief for the next few years.

I couldn't care less either way but I sure as hell hope that signing Berry won't preclude them from extending Fisher or Poe.

notorious 07-09-2016 03:46 PM

You don't want the Chiefs to extend Fisher or Poe?

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12308535)
You don't want the Chiefs to extend Fisher or Poe?

I want them to extend Fisher and Poe, so I hope that a mega-contract for Eric Berry still allows them to do so.

Easy 6 07-09-2016 03:58 PM

I couldnt be less worried, yawn

Berry wants to be here

Dorsey and co. want him here

Its a process...

notorious 07-09-2016 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12308548)
I want them to extend Fisher and Poe, so I hope that a mega-contract for Eric Berry still allows them to do so.

Oh, I read your post incorrectly. Instead of "Won't" I saw "Will".


Sorry.

Meatloaf 07-09-2016 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12308531)
I couldn't care less either way but I sure as hell hope that signing Berry won't preclude them from extending Fisher or Poe.

I'm definitely with you on Fisher, but a bit less so on Poe (simply due to health concerns), but I'd agree that both are more crucial than Berry. Damn, I think I just agreed with Dane! :eek:

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12308480)
In all honesty I think Berry is replaceable. I mean, I really do like him, he's a thumper but he doesn't have elite range, elite cover skills and has never been an INT machine. A great safety should have all that.

You nailed it Hog !! And why we should offer "fair $".;)

Chief Roundup 07-09-2016 04:57 PM

We all want to keep Berry, the question is what is the trade off or who is the most replaceable of the upcoming key FA on the team that includes Berry. I think we should be able to keep them all even though it is going to hard.

ThaVirus 07-09-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12308465)
Berry is good but he ain't Ed Reed...


No shit. Ed Reed might be the best safety of all time.

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12308516)
I'm not losing any sleep.

If he wants to stay, good, if not then I will forget him.

This franchise stood behind him and paid a shitload while he was on the shelf. That has to count for something,

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12308517)
I'm with you. $11 million dollars for a safety that rarely intercepts the ball or makes game changing plays is a waste of cap space.

I know it would be extremely unpopular with the fans but I'd let him play out the Franchise Tag and draft his replacement in 2017.

:thumb:

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12308661)
No shit. Ed Reed might be the best safety of all time.

and that is exactly who we thought we were getting when he played like Ed Reed in college.

ThaVirus 07-09-2016 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12308667)
and that is exactly who we thought we were getting when he played like Ed Reed in college.



And?

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12308671)
And?

and Ed Reed > Eric Berry

Chiefshrink 07-09-2016 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12308689)
and Ed Reed > Eric Berry

BINGO !!

ThaVirus 07-09-2016 05:12 PM

Eric Berry ‘a bit surprised’ on lack of extension progress
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12308689)
and Ed Reed > Eric Berry


Ed Reed>every active safety in the league.

NO ONE GETS A CONTRACT!!

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 05:13 PM

The dude had cancer and has 3-4 years left in his prime. He's not getting a huge deal from this org.

ThaVirus 07-09-2016 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308696)
The dude had cancer and has 3-4 years left in his prime. He's not getting a huge deal from this org.


Just enough time for us to build an empire, win a couple Super Bowls, and, if there is a God, for you to kill yourself.

Red Dawg 07-09-2016 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12308523)
That's not what I was getting at.

The Chiefs paid him when he was on the shelf, which shows they want him and he has value to them. They would have cut him if not, and everyone would have understood.


They will pay Berry, and he is going to be a Chief for the next few years.

Chiefs were stuck in a bad spot when he got cancer. Paying him was really the only option that wouldn't be a pr nightmare.

SAUTO 07-09-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12308700)
Just enough time for us to build an empire, win a couple Super Bowls, and, if there is a God, for you to kill yourself.

ROFL, GREAT post

Mr. Laz 07-09-2016 05:45 PM

Who would you rather keep Poe or Berry?

LoneWolf 07-09-2016 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308696)
The dude had cancer and has 3-4 years left in his prime. He's not getting a huge deal from this org.

Berry was young when he came into the league. He has more than 3-4 prime years left.

He will be the highest paid safety in the league by this time next week and you will still be a clueless douchebag.

LoneWolf 07-09-2016 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12308747)
Who would you rather keep Poe or Berry?

Both.

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12308750)
He will be the highest paid safety in the league by this time next week

He won't even be paid top 10 money.

LoneWolf 07-09-2016 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308757)
He won't even be paid top 10 money.

ROFL. How about you crawl back into the hole you were hiding in when his new contract is announced. You're a ****ing joke.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12308747)
Who would you rather keep Poe or Berry?

Poe but he won't get nearly the money that people on CP believe he'll receive.

According to SI and many other writers, Poe isn't even a Top 10 defensive lineman.

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12308759)
ROFL. How about you crawl back into the hole you were hiding in when his new contract is announced. You're a ****ing joke.

apologies, just an opinion.

Meatloaf 07-09-2016 06:07 PM

I believe that the Chiefs and Berry will get a deal done as I think the organization likely views him as a cornerstone guy. I think that's what happened in the Alex Gordon extension too -- an organizational guy with very good skills. How does everyone feel about the Gordon deal now?

Obviously, these are not exactly similar situations, but perhaps close enough to make a point that maybe not all guys with very good skills should be extended at a high price.

Also, when we drafted Eric Murray, I wondered then if that signing was maybe a little hedge against losing Berry (for whatever reason). I know Murray is a CB, but he's a very good tackler and I saw a couple of draft analyses that said he'd likely be considered at safety too. Combine this with moving Fleming and Cooper to safety as well as the signing of Stevie Brown and well, maybe the Chiefs are covering themselves should the discussions with Berry go sour?

Hey, like I said, I think they're gonna get a deal done, but thought I'd just toss these thoughts out there to be digested......and likely disgorged by the most excellent CP populace.

Chief Northman 07-09-2016 06:14 PM

Since when was Inmem reinstated?
Bummer.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12308774)
I believe that the Chiefs and Berry will get a deal done as I think the organization likely views him as a cornerstone guy. I think that's what happened in the Alex Gordon extension too -- an organizational guy with very good skills. How does everyone feel about the Gordon deal now?

Obviously, these are not exactly similar situations, but perhaps close enough to make a point that maybe not all guys with very good skills should be extended at a high price.

Also, when we drafted Eric Murray, I wondered then if that signing was maybe a little hedge against losing Berry (for whatever reason). I know Murray is a CB, but he's a very good tackler and I saw a couple of draft analyses that said he'd likely be considered at safety too. Combine this with moving Fleming and Cooper to safety as well as the signing of Stevie Brown and well, maybe the Chiefs are covering themselves should the discussions with Berry go sour?

Hey, like I said, I think they're gonna get a deal done, but thought I'd just toss these thoughts out there to be digested......and likely disgorged by the most excellent CP populace.

:clap:

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 06:28 PM

I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.

Meatloaf 07-09-2016 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308797)
I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.

I can't flame on this as I think they're both good players. In my mind, Berry's intangibles certainly aren't worth making him the highest paid safety for the next 4-5 years. I'd rather spend the money on another top notch WR like Maclin and let someone else man Berry's safety position.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308797)
I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.

Bingo / Thread

BleedingRed 07-09-2016 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308797)
I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.

I know they are different positions but, these numbers really put into perspective how good Peters was last year

OldSchool 07-09-2016 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12308797)
I don't believe Berry is that much better than Ron Parker. If Ron Parker had been drafted in the first round instead he'd probably be getting tons of love right now.

Last 3 seasons:

Parker - 188 tackles, 27 PD, 6 INT, 3 FF, 7 sacks (2,623 snaps)
Berry - 172 tackles, 22 PD, 5 INT, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks (2,435 snaps)

I'm sure there's some other mystical, intangible quality Eric Berry possesses though.

Flame away.

I would agree there.

You're looking at upwards of $55 mil for 5-6 years right now as I'm sure that he and his reps are pushing for him to get paid more than Harrison Smith did. That's a ridiculous number for a safety who isn't a shutdown cover guy or an elite Ballhawk/centerfielder.

They would probably rather save that money to spend on Poe or something.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 07:16 PM

I'd give him $4 mill like Parker . Other than that he can take his ass and go play for Cleveland.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 07:24 PM

Eric Berry tied for 52nd best in tackles last year for safeties / LBers. Yeah. Give him $10 mil . If Dorsey does this I will suck my own dick.



Oh , and 11 Int's in 5 years

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...e-solo-tackles

bsp4444 07-09-2016 07:35 PM

Berry let Gronk score twice in the playoff loss.

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12308842)
I would agree there.

You're looking at upwards of $55 mil for 5-6 years right now as I'm sure that he and his reps are pushing for him to get paid more than Harrison Smith did. That's a ridiculous number for a safety who isn't a shutdown cover guy or an elite Ballhawk/centerfielder.

They would probably rather save that money to spend on Poe or something.

Again, not saying Berry is a bad football player, or even the same as Parker. He's a bit better, just not enough of a gap between them to give him elite money.

He's worth, at most, $7M a year with a smaller bonus for sure.

If he wants more money he should have incentives put into his contract.

staylor26 07-09-2016 07:55 PM

I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

:facepalm:

Hammock Parties 07-09-2016 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12308883)
I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

:facepalm:

Questionable as to whether he truly played at that level.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12308841)
I know they are different positions but, these numbers really put into perspective how good Peters was last year



Your stupid ass will be banned again soon, houstonwhodat.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-09-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12308883)
I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

:facepalm:

IMO he didn't play at an all Pro level. But his popularity and cancer comeback won him a probowl anyway. Don't get me wrong, he's good, he's above average but to be the highest paid safety in the league is not validated.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2016 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12308883)
I'd rather not overpay also, but why the **** are some of you talking about Berry like he didn't just play at an All-Pro level at a new (and ideal) position less than a year after battling cancer?

:facepalm:

He did not play at an All Pro level.

3.5 tackles a game and 2 Int's in 16 games aren't stellar numbers.

It was an honorary nod due to the cancer.

Chief Northman 07-09-2016 08:14 PM

If Berry does indeed get paid as the top safety in the league it will be more for what he represents for the Chiefs brand and marketing than for what he brings on the field. Solid contributor, but not meriting of the biggest contract for his position. Love his run support, ability to blitz when rarely called upon, and short to mid-depth coverage. But a middle field roamer who provides help over the top he is not.
If he and his agent ask for the moon, Dorsey would be wise to let him play out under the tag. Invest in Poe and Fisher instead. This draft with the plethora of dbs selected was designed to fill some holes and bring some young athletic depth to the backend. Will not be shocked to see Murray, Nelson, White, Peters and Russell become the future top dogs in the Chiefs secondary.

staylor26 07-09-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12308893)
He did not play at an All Pro level.

3.5 tackles a game and 2 Int's in 16 games aren't stellar numbers.

It was an honorary nod due to the cancer.

I couldn't care less about the stats. I watch a ton of NFL football and Berry was playing like a top 3 safety last year once he got going. We're consistently one of, if not the best, teams in the league at defending TE's year in and year out because of Berry.

I don't think he's the best safety in the NFL, but he's clearly top 3-5 going into 2016. I don't think he's getting enough credit.


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