Eric Fisher displays top-10 talent; major red flag on Justin Pugh
 

Eric Fisher displays top-10 talent; major red flag on Justin Pugh

MOBILE, Ala. -- Senior Bowl week kicked off on Monday, and there were plenty of interesting developments. I've compiled some notes from the weigh-ins, practices and even hotel chatter. Practice notes were compiled after studying both the North and South sessions on tape Monday evening.

Buzz from the weigh-ins
» Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker stole the show at the weigh-ins. He measured in at 6-foot-4 7/8, 355 pounds, and his arm length was 36 3/8 inches. He wasn't carrying any bad weight for a man that big. Due to a training injury, he won't be practicing this week, but he made the most of his time in Mobile.

» SMU defensive end Margus Hunt was another player who elicited a lot of attention from NFL brass at the weigh-in. He measured in at 6-8 1/4 and weighed 277 pounds. He has the frame to easily add another 20-25 pounds. Hunt is a very raw football player, but his size is very enticing.

» Syracuse offensive tackle Justin Pugh is a very good player on tape, but his lack of length is a concern for pro teams. His arms were just 31 1/2 inches long, and that is a major red flag amongst NFL evaluators. He will likely slide inside to play guard at the next level, making his lack of length less of an issue.

» Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson is a talented signal-caller with some upside, but his hand size is less than ideal for the position. His hand measurement of 8 5/8 inches -- well below average -- was a popular topic of conversation among NFL scouts following the weigh-ins.

Practice standouts
» Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher was the best player on the field in either of Monday's practices. He was dominant in one-on-one pass-rush drills, displaying quick feet, a powerful punch and a strong base. Also, he was physical at the point of attack in the run game. He made it look easy during the entire practice, playing like a top-10 pick.

» While Fisher dominated the North practice, Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson did the same at the South session. Johnson is incredibly athletic, and his ability to redirect in pass protection is rare. He lined up at right tackle during this practice but was likely to slide over to the left side on Tuesday. A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that Johnson was going to be a fast riser up draft boards, and that ascension is well under way.

» Oklahoma product Landry Jones had the best day of all the quarterbacks. He has outstanding arm talent and moved around better in the pocket than he did on tape from the fall. There are a handful of teams that are desperate for a quarterback; Jones made a strong statement to them with his performance on Monday.

» It was a good day for West Coast cornerbacks. Washington's Desmond Trufant, San Diego State's Leon McFadden and Oregon State's Jordan Poyer all made several plays on the ball during Monday's practice. Boise State cornerback Jamar Taylor also had a solid performance.

» There were several interior defensive linemen who had dominant moments on Monday. Purdue's Kawann Short went 5-for-5 in one-on-one pass rush. North Carolina's Sylvester Williams used his quickness to make a lot of plays during the team periods. UCLA's Datone Jones has been training in mixed martial arts with Jay Glazer; his hand usage has improved noticeably from the fall.

» Rice tight end Vance McDonald was far and away the top player at his position. He is explosive in his release and is a very smooth route-runner. He did drop one ball but made several other impressive grabs. He looked like a second-round talent.

» Southeastern Louisiana cornerback Robert Alford is a little raw, but his talent jumps off the tape. He guessed wrong twice during one-on-ones, but his recovery burst was highly impressive. He also showed the awareness to locate and play the ball at the highest point.

» Oregon State wide receiver Markus Wheaton had an excellent practice. He avoided press coverage with his quickness and showed a second gear when the ball went up in the air. He can play outside or line up in the slot. His versatility and play-making skills have the attention of scouts and personnel men.

Sound bites from execs and scouts
» "I can't believe some of these teams are trying to talk themselves into (N.C. State QB) Mike Glennon. I don't see it." -- NFC personnel executive

» "I don't think it's a done deal that (Texas A&M's Luke) Joeckel will be the top offensive tackle taken. In my opinion, Fisher has more upside." -- AFC Scout

» In five years, (Georgia NT) John Jenkins will be a multi-year Pro Bowler or he'll be out of the league. I don't think there will be anything in between." -- NFC executive

I thought only chicks looked at the size of men's hands

Really hope that was one of Dorsey's friends from Green Bay and that they all think alike.

If it's they are looking for the "BPA" then it won't be Glennon.

So Joeckel may not even be the best LT...

In Dorsey we trust. This guy has been around the block a time or two i trust his judgement on his selections come draft time.

which could help KC if they are looking to trade down and taking another teams soul through consecutive 1st round picks this year and next year.

If you get to watch the practices, you will see that Glennon is a mess. He would be a very dangerous pick and the bust factor is extremely high. The good news is that he will exposed for what he truly is this week. He might look great at the combine but, DO NOT believe what you see.

This.

The guy's biggest problem is consistency. He's all over the place so far, he's basically casting his red flag in cement and planting it in the middle of the room for everybody to see.

I couldn't read past the first sentence. This is why I have SUCH a hard time listening to any of this bullshit.

He made the most of his time in Mobile by stepping on the scales and then saying "I'm hurt, I can't play"?

:facepalm:

Nope.

"But he's the best LT prospect in a decade!"

ROFL

Dave Krieg-itis

The Central Michigan guy is really really good. Remember how good Von Miller was at the Senior Bowl? If you missed it, he was just on another level and looked like a pro bowler already. That's how Fisher is. He is a man among boys.

I actually saw the Chippewa's play 2 or 3 times this year. Fisher was the best player on the field every time, even when they were playing Iowa.

jenkins is a tease...never thought he was as dominant as he should have been

someone will over draft him

Agree.

It is interesting following the draft guys on twitter and seeing them debate Glennon. They love his height and rocket arm.... reminds many of Flacco. At the same time he may have a top 10 arm but his film fails him. Way to inconsistent but there are teams out there that believe they have the QB coach to make him elite.

FYP

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=907

shawn zobel(?) coming up on 610 to talk about the senior bowl

The best word to describe him is "clean." He has perfect feet and perfect technique. He makes it look effortless.

The majority of the NFL is hopelessly mired in yester-year.

Yup many get stuck on proto-types and even more so the older scouts IMO.

Oh ****.

I still would not mind Landry Jones in the second round and using our first pick on something else.

Are you baiting us?

Have you watched Landry play?

ROFL

:doh!:

Anything about this? Zobel is a reerun, so I'm expecting Russ Lande garbage

Landry's too fat. Put him on the defensive line.

I'd rather have Nassib than Jones in the second. Jones crumbles like a cheap lawn chair with adversity.

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missed it...at the end he said we should draft jockstrap....so, a joke

That's the Landry we know.

Of course he did :facepalm:

Nassib.


I didn't watch him play, but have heard good things.


What do you guys know about him?

These scout guys are scared to death of these QB's at #1 plain and simple. Hopefully trading down is our best option per them.

Of the second rounders, Nassib seems to be the best and fits the WCO.

these QB evaluations are just all over the place...

I'd rather have Dysert than Nassib. I don't get the Nassib love. I watched a few of his games on youtube and was very unimpressed.

Nassib is pretty good with the short to mid-range throws but lofts the ball to much on deep balls. Reason scouts think he is perfect for the WCO offense. Guess Dysert is all over the place at the Senior Bowl... More of a footwork issue.

Again these Scouts are gun shy of these QB's. Slightly better than the Gabbert/Ponder/Locker class.

Here's what I wrote in another thread:

Basically said Wilson is impressive...still doesn't think he's worth the first pick unless Chiefs trade back...but said he's easily the best in Mobile. Doesn't like Geno...thinks he's erratic and should have helped his stock by playing in the Senior Bowl. Also said that if we can't trade out of the first pick, we should maybe take Joekel or one of the pass rushers.

What I take from this is that if Wilson delivers in real play in the SB and doesn't do anything that diminishes his stock at the combine, he's our guy...because I have more faith that the Chiefs will take a QB than what these draft "experts" are saying. The positional value HAS to figure into your BPA value.

I saw Trufant a couple of times this last year. Kid seems like he can play.

CB is arguably our 2nd biggest need on the team. Assuming we go QB in the first, he'd be a strong choice in the 2nd if he lasts that long. Will be interesting to see how projections look as we get closer to the draft.

It's fun to talk QB but we can't forget that CB is another must draft position coming up.

I don't see many mock drafts where the Chiefs don't have a huge crop of very talented CBs to choose from with their 2nd rounder. If I'm going by "position" that's absolutely where I would look with that pick.

Yep.

The CB picture will become much more clear after this week leading up to the Combine. There have been some good CB's at the Senior Bowl that aren't household names or from elite programs.

There is sooooooo much poker playing go on from this point forward I wouldn't give you a nickel for what any of these scouts say. Who knows what they really think?

Aside from QBs is this a weak draft class in general ?

Yep. There's money changing hands and people always have their pet "causes". Just look at the QB reports coming out of mobile - NOBODY agrees.

Yes, VERY.

These OT reports are just all over the place. Who's the best one? Is it Fluker? Joeckel? Fisher?

God, it's just too risky right now. Why don't we take a QB or something else that we need with the #1 pick? We can wait for one of the top OTs to drop to round 2, where the value will be much, much better.

of course, that's why we have the #1 pick....

if the Colts had the #1 pick it would be the strongest draft in 500 years

Holy. Shit.

TWO Jonathan Ogden's in the same draft!!!!

This is the most incredible O-Line draft in history.

I say we draft both!!!!!!!!! With two Ogden's our team will be unbeatable!!!

But Luke Joeckel = Jonathan Ogden, I thought, right Matt Miller? How could Fisher be better than that?

OMG, that must mean he's going to be the best LT in the history of football! KC must take him No. 1 overall!

OL is the way to go! You can win with a dominant OL, great running game, good defense and care-taker QB, as long as you don't make any mistakes.

BTW, has anyone heard this new song "Waterfalls" by TLC? I really love it! I think it might be the top song of the year!

Sounds like this morning that Nassib is performing the best of the North trio. Dysert and Glennon throwing high. Dysert has sorta struggled all three days.

If we re-sign Bowe.....I'd love to draft Markus Wheaton around the 3rd-4th round.

Maybe the Joekel fanclub will start to shut up soon...

We could move him to GUARD!

:clap::clap::clap:

I think at the top - yes. However, I see a very deep draft at RB, WR, CB, S, and ILB.

There aren't those "elite" talent guys like Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, or AJ Green, but there are plenty of solid guys that would normally fill out rounds 2-3.

Oh yeah.

However, if he runs a sub-4.4 40 at the combine (probable), I bet he moves into the 2nd. He's having a strong SB so far.

Also, reports are that the Broncos were talking to him at the SB. I would hate that on so many levels. :mad:

Both Wheaton and Harper looking good at WR this week.

That's nice - but both are way down the list of WRs that interest me - and most of those are not at the Senior Bowl.

Oh, I agree.

Luke Joeckel isn't worth the No. 1 pick! There isn't hardly any separation between him and Eric Fisher, so why overpay at No. 1?

Plus, some scouts like Fisher more! You can't take a guy No. 1 if he isn't the consensus best guy at his position!

And don't forget, Eric Fisher will be available in the 2nd round...

There's always a better option available in the 2nd round.

That's my joke! :harumph:

How many Bernard Pollards are in this draft? :)

Watched him on the NFLn practice recap. Uses his hands and arm strength, and leverage incredibly well. Didn't get a look at his feet, but if they're anything like the rest of his game, he looks really good.

Did you notice him against Iowa? He's pretty damn good.

You know who else played college football in the state of Michigan?

Tony Mandarich.

Pass on Fisher.

Thats not hard to do against Iowa :)

Fisher isn't as good as Orlando Pace, so he is not worth drafting unless he slides below his projected slot.

It looks like OT might be a deep position this year which means teams might wait until the 2nd round for them.

Don't forget Trezelle Jenkins!

And reduces further the chance that we'll be able to trade down.

These tackles all grade out about the same, so one will slip to round 2, where the Chiefs will get value for them. Sure, you might not get the best guy, but it will be good enough.

Positional value and scarcity will be ignored. Teams will let them fall down the draft board despite need and value.

always looking for the cloud in the silver lining .......

All I get out of this is that we should draft Landry Jones

Trollolol