What's going to happen to our offense when AS, Solari, and company are gone?
Just curious. Looking at all the news it looks like CP is going to clean house! With Vermiel's departure he has decided not to continue with the direction the team was going. Our offense has been in the Top 3 the last 5 years and our D appears to have improved and both would continue to improve next year with some additional talent added either through free agency and the upcoming draft.
With the upcoming massive changes in our coaching staff, it could prove costly next year to the Chiefs resulting in the team taking a large step back despite the talent pool we have. New coach, new philosophy, new staff, new everything! The lack of consistency could be very detrimental to the players. Promoting AS to the HC seems to be the smartest move right now and it will give us the best chance to be very competitive next year and beyond. If we don't choose this direction, we could see more frustration for another 5 years! This is not the time to pull the rip cord. Why give up draft picks now when what we need most is good young potential franchise players to develop for the future? Thoughts? |
My guess is the 8 pro bolwers we have on offense are going to instantly become inept.
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what kind worries me is that Herm Edward might clean house on the offensive side of the ball and actually KEEP some of the guys on defense.
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Everyone just assumes that Al Saunders would be a good head coach. Just like it was simple for Gunther to move from DC to HC, so we could keep that 90s defense intact. All of a sudden, HC responsibilities triggered the worst of Gun's personality tics. He starts diagramming seating charts at 3 in the morning.
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Solari, hopefully, isn't going anywhere.
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You make sound as if coaching doesn't matter at all.... |
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people hope that al saunders can maintain the offense while changing it up on defense. are you assuming that Herm edwards would be able to maintain our current offense? hope ≠ assume |
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Do I think Gun would have built this offense? Of course not. Do I think that an offense with 8 pro-bowlers on it is going to crumble with a new coaching situation? No fucking way. If this offense begins to falter, it will be due to age, not coaching. It won't take a genious to move the ball when working with 3 pro-bowl O-linemen, 2 Pro-bowl RBs, 1 pro-bowl QB, and a pro-bowl TE. Will we continue to be #1 in the league? Maybe not. but I don't think we're just going to start sucking because Saunders is gone. |
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I guess we are now in an assumtion based debate. Your turn. :) |
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"people hope that al saunders can maintain the offense while changing it up on defense." Exactly why Gunther was promoted -- just slide on over to a different chair, all the strengths remain, all the weaknesses improve. Simple. Continuity. I'm not assuming anything about Herm. But as others have stated here and elsewhere, it would be a blinding act of stupidity and hubris on both Herm's and Carl's part to scrap one of the league's best offenses while maintaining its worst defense. |
It's possible that a new 0-Cord would allow Trent to call his owns plays from time to time instead of taking time outs all of the time.
This is of course another assumtion. |
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You might as well brace yourself for us keeping most of our current defensive personnell, at least for '06. This team has always been on a two year cycle in terms of FA signings, so any changes are likely going to have to come from draft picks and developed bench players. |
I hope Trent Green is smart enough to override Herm Edwards when it's 3rd and 3 from the 30 yard line and actually run a play.
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back when he had a ready made pass rush with with neil smith and derrick thomas to go along with 2 cornerbacks in hasty and carter his job was relative simple. he also had a defensive head coach to hold his hand in marty shottenheimer. the defense has had issues ever since, even with gunther. on the other hand, i think with al saunders the offensive players have over achieved ... the system has made them better. can saunders do the same without Vermeil? can saunders be one of these HC/OC's? i don't know ... i hope so i've Never been too impressed with Herm edwards as a head coach in NY. |
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I agree about the Gun D. In hindsight. At the time though, they thought it was good enough to make another run. They wanted continuity. Just remove Marty from the equation, we can return to the 13-3 days of 1997. That was their thinking. They were dead wrong. The stuff about Saunders is all valid. |
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Back when he had a ready made running game with Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes to go along with Will Shields, Willie Roaf, and Brian Waters, his job was relatively simple. He also had an offensive head coach to hold his hand, in Dick vermeil. |
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He will do fine. Our offense will be fine. How could you mess it up? D can't help but improve. |
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There are so many examples of coaching making the difference on a team, why do people continue to think otherwise?
UCF was the worst team in college football. They got O'Leary and went to a bowl game. Similar situation for Mangina at KU. Think the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl had Gruden stayed in Oakland? Would New England have won anything if Bellichick was still in NY? With the wrong coach, this team will turn into shit faster than ENDelt and Mer take over threads. Note to KingCarl - we still have one good year left, don't ruin it. |
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We really are not that good. Granted we are not that bad.... but we are not that good either. |
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with marty and gunther our offense sucked even with the best offense line in the league. btw - didn't i include Vermeil in my post about saunders as a question mark? don't know why you felt it was a point for you to make then. |
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Just look back at the 1999 Rams where Vermeil won a SB and he left the team with 100% consistency... in the hands of the OFFensive CoORdinator named Mike Martz. Need I say more? NO AL SAUNDERS! For god's sake, Detroit, Minn...hired Al already, everyday that he's sitting around worries me that King Carl might hit the panic button and offers Al the job....:shake: |
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He will do fine. Our offense will be fine. How could you mess it up? D can't help but improve.[/QUOTE]
Famous last words! |
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Offense will be fine. Defense already sucked. And FWIW, I still don't think we can beat Indy, Cincy, and a couple of other teams in the playoffs in the AFC on the road this season. And I don't think we are a player away from beating them on the road next season with the same staff we had. |
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Don't ****** up this team by bringing in a whole new coaching staff and philosophy. This is not the time to panic. Stay the course don't give up draft picks keep improving! Promote AS now!!!!!!! |
A case can be made that Vermeil had nothing to do with this offense. His offense was terrible until Martz got there and took it from near dead last to #1 (by the way, that's what a good coordinator does -- has immediate impact, unlike assuming we have to give Gun 3-4 years to build a respectable D). Saunders, working under Martz learned the offense, and it's Saunders not Vermeil who is the offensive guru.
Again, I am not saying that this is true. Martz was unable to maintain the high-powered offense in St. Loius more than two years I think, before it returned to earth. The whole Vermeil, Martz, Saunders thing is interesting. How much of the credit goes to Vermeil, and how much goes to Martz/Saunders? |
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No AL SAUNDERS!!!! NO NO NO |
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I respectfully disagree. Chiefs right now are dangerous period on the road or otherwise. |
Personally what I would like to see is the following:
1. Hire a youngish assistant coach, preferably defensive, from one of the playoff teams. 2. Install a Joe Gibbs style of offense with a little more punch in the passing game. 3. Draft at least one large body DT and switch to a 3-4 with Bell on the inside. This would allow us to grow our own coach with our own identity rather then the former coach of (fill in team name). Offensively we're a power run team. AS and DV may not want to admit it but we are. Lets drop the pretense and be a power run team. This would also take the emphasis away from a weakness (WR) and put it on a strength (RB/TE). Our defense is best suited for a 3-4 except for the Dline. Since the Dline also isn't well suited for a 4-3 let's make the switch. This would also benefit Siavii who could be a good nose tackle. |
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Why does every one want to abandon what has worked on O and tweak it by adding the abovementioned WR? |
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And right now we are sitting home, so we are not all that dangerous. |
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Yes I think Vermeil needs to be give more credit here. The St Louis offense by the end of this season had completely collapsed, while Saunders only ever turned into an offensive genious in KC under Vermeil. Remember his offense when he was HC at SD? No, me neither. Also if he was such a guru why did he not have more of an impact when he was receivers coach in KC during the Martyball days? |
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One positive concerning Herm and the offense, although he hired the wrong OC(Hackett). Edwards tried to implement the WC offense in his scheme . Hopefully he won't touch KC's since it's already in place
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