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Hammock Parties 01-28-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9360023)
Let's be honest he's no where near Lowery, Stoyanovich, and Anderson. Succop is decent at his best.

Stoyanovich career kicking percentage: 79.5%
Lowery career kicking percentage: 80%
Gary Anderson career kicking percentage: 80.1%
Morten Andersen career kicking percentage: 79.7%



Ryan Succop career kicking percentage: 81.5%

If you're at 80 percent as a kicker you're doing just fine and don't need to be replaced.

RealSNR 01-28-2013 09:49 PM

I've never understood this idiocy that Succop needs to be replaced.

Our kickers are always terrible until they go to other teams and find success. Then we're stuck finding new guys to run through. Then that new guy will "need to be replaced."

We've got a good kicker. A GOOD kicker. Not great, but good. That's all you ****ing need. The moment you dick around with finding a better kicker is the moment you get burned by a terrible one that will lose you games.

CaliforniaChief 01-28-2013 09:54 PM

They're actually going to coach these guys up? What a concept.

It sounds like a culture change on special teams. Making it something guys want to do because they're allowed to be playmakers instead of a last resort just to make the team.

Toub sounds perfect to me.

Tribal Warfare 01-28-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9360101)
I've never understood this idiocy that Succop needs to be replaced.

Our kickers are always terrible until they go to other teams and find success. Then we're stuck finding new guys to run through. Then that new guy will "need to be replaced."

We've got a good kicker. A GOOD kicker. Not great, but good. That's all you ****ing need. The moment you dick around with finding a better kicker is the moment you get burned by a terrible one that will lose you games.

Succop did lose us some games , he's decent and that's it.

RealSNR 01-28-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9360127)
Succop did lose us some games , he's decent and that's it.

Which ones? I've never seen him lose a game for us.

Hammock Parties 01-28-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9360127)
Succop did lose us some games , he's decent and that's it.

He's good enough to win a Super Bowl and does not need to be replaced. Period.

Tribal Warfare 01-28-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9360141)
Which ones? I've never seen him lose a game for us.

Pittsburgh, San Diego'11, Raiders . The guy is decent but I wouldn't say good.

milkman 01-28-2013 10:42 PM

You do know that Nick Lowery was cut by something like 5 teams before he finally stuck with the Chiefs?

You also know that as "good" as he was, he missed a lot of clutch opportunities?

-King- 01-28-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9359601)
I've sat in my house just about every Sunday for the last 3 years watching Chiefs games. Occasionally this one friend of mine comes over. Every time Arenas goes back to return a punt I say "he's gonna take this to the house." Kind of a running joke now. I really hope Arenas houses some next yaer.

Arenas is decent in punt return. He just sucks major ass on kick returns.

-King- 01-28-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9360210)
Pittsburgh, San Diego'11, Raiders . The guy is decent but I wouldn't say good.

WTF was he supposed to do that game? Curve the ball around the free rusher?

And no, he didn't lose us those other 2 games either. He made the FG to send the game into overtime for the Pittsburgh game. And Matt Cassel threw the game losing INT in the Chargers game.

IratePrimate 01-28-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9360393)
WTF was he supposed to do that game? Curve the ball around the free rusher?

And no, he didn't lose us those other 2 games either. He made the FG to send the game into overtime for the Pittsburgh game. And Matt Cassel threw the game losing INT in the Chargers game.

Looks like Tribal just got told :LOL:

CaliforniaChief 01-28-2013 11:06 PM

Succop is fine. Toub basically said as much, just wants his kicking guy to work with him.

Like Colquitt said, best guy with the worst football name.

RealSNR 01-28-2013 11:14 PM

You know what's cool?

The Chiefs have lost a LOT of games since Succop was drafted. Usually a kicker loses one or two games for an AVERAGE team in the span of 4 seasons.

You can BARELY make a case for one loss being pinned to Succop. He has never lost a game by missing a field goal.

That's all you can expect out of your kicker. If your guy misses a kick when you're ahead, it's the defense's job to close the door. If your guy misses a kick when you're behind but there's still time, it's the TEAM'S job to get a stop and then go score.

Blaming one of those losses on the kicker is like the Donks fans who still bitch about that no-clipping call on Dante Hall in the 2003 game. The refs missed the penalty, but there was 8 minutes left in the game.

Real teams don't hide behind kickers. And Succop has been in a LOT of positions where if he screws up, the team would hide behind him. Out of those possible scenarios, you can point to ONE that has any kind of case behind it (and even then, it's a bad one).

**** replacing our kicker. It's a waste of ****ing time, money, and effort finding a new guy.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9360141)
Which ones? I've never seen him lose a game for us.

Succop is crap.

And yes, he's lost several games since he was drafted.

Connor Barth FTW, Pioli.

Hammock Parties 01-28-2013 11:17 PM

Succop is a better kicker than Lawrence Tynes was when he was here...and Tynes was good enough to play for the Giants for the last six years...so **** all of you.


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