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petegz28 10-21-2018 02:46 PM

What's wrong with the Bob Sutton scheme?
 
Set the talent level aside for a second. The scheme itself I contend is bunk. It appears to be a complete read & react defense. Sutton seems to "play not to lose" from a defensive aspect. Turnovers are what his scheme hinges on.

It just appears to be an indecisive scheme. Afraid to commit to attack the run or pass on any given play. It's like he's afraid to run blitz because it may not be a run. He's afraid to pass blitz because they may run the ball. His zone scheme does not seem to call for defenders manning up on offensive players in their zone.

I just can't get a read on what it is he is trying to do. It looks like he is trying to defend against everything all the time. It doesn't really come off that much different than the RAC 3-4.

Rain Man 10-21-2018 02:48 PM

No quarterback pressure.

[Drops mic and walks away]

King_Chief_Fan 10-21-2018 02:49 PM

Sounds and looks like Grobs scheme in the Vermeil era

TLO 10-21-2018 02:50 PM

Another Bob Sutton thread started by Pete?

I'M IN!!!

Easy 6 10-21-2018 02:51 PM

I dont wanna get into it on a night where they'll probably look pretty good

This thread is bad mojo... deletedeletedelete

Hammock Parties 10-21-2018 03:00 PM

Doesn't disguise blitzes or coverages

Linebackers are coached to wait instead of attack

Too much off coverage (although it seems like they are pressing a ton this year which they shouldn't do with corners like Steven Nelson), over-reliant on Cover 1 Man when we should be mixing it up constantly given our lack of talent on the back end.

Bob's scheme is easy to decipher pre-snap which is why even when we had top end talent in 2014 and 2015 Manning assraped us constantly.

We had a really, really good defense when we had Dontari Poe, Jaye Howard, Derrick Johnson, Allen Bailey, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, Eric Berry, Marcus Peters and Sean Smith all in their prime or close to it in 2014 and 2015.

That glut of talent allowed guys like Ron Parker and Husain Abdullah to succeed in complementary roles.

Now dudes like that are our best players and Bob can't get away with being an uncreative pussy.

The defense definitely lacks talent but it doesn't lack so much talent that it should be this bad. They have pass rushers and decent cornerbacks, Bob should be doing everything in his power to hide the problems at ILB and S from getting exposed but he doesn't do that.

Hammock Parties 10-21-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13832043)
No quarterback pressure.

[Drops mic and walks away]

The Chiefs actually do get plenty of pressure on QBs, this is why their third down defense is surprisingly good.

scho63 10-21-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13832043)
No quarterback pressure.

[Drops mic and walks away]

First answer is best answer. :clap:

Rushing 3 men in today's offense is akin to suicide. It's dumb as all hell. :shake:

chiefforlife 10-21-2018 03:06 PM

Bob Sutton...

NIUhuskies 10-21-2018 03:08 PM

everything.

petegz28 10-21-2018 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13832065)
Doesn't disguise blitzes or coverages

Linebackers are coached to wait instead of attack

Too much off coverage (although it seems like they are pressing a ton this year which they shouldn't do with corners like Steven Nelson), over-reliant on Cover 1 Man when we should be mixing it up constantly given our lack of talent on the back end.

Bob's scheme is easy to decipher pre-snap which is why even when we had top end talent in 2014 and 2015 Manning assraped us constantly.

We had a really, really good defense when we had Dontari Poe, Jaye Howard, Derrick Johnson, Allen Bailey, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, Eric Berry, Marcus Peters and Sean Smith all in their prime or close to it in 2014 and 2015.

That glut of talent allowed guys like Ron Parker and Husain Abdullah to succeed in complementary roles.

Now dudes like that are our best players and Bob can't get away with being an uncreative pussy.

The defense definitely lacks talent but it doesn't lack so much talent that it should be this bad. They have pass rushers and decent cornerbacks, Bob should be doing everything in his power to hide the problems at ILB and S from getting exposed but he doesn't do that.

I think that's two huge points. LB's never really attack and despite the lack of talent or whatever, he keeps running the same shit instead of changing things to suit the talent on the field.

DRM08 10-21-2018 03:11 PM

The players don't tackle worth a damn and they don't cover in the secondary worth a damn. Not sure how the scheme can fix it. They need better players.

htismaqe 10-21-2018 03:12 PM

This needed a new thread.

NIUhuskies 10-21-2018 03:12 PM

lets hire Rex Ryan...D will probably still suck, but interviews will be more entertaining

petegz28 10-21-2018 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13832090)
This needed a new thread.

Yes, the amount of suck the Sutton defense has cannot be contained in 1 thread....


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