You can talk to all of the candidates now. Firing (or keeping)
Pioli doesn't affect your ability to contact potential GMs at all.

That sounds great in theory but has no basis in the real world.

No, like false hope that maybe this guy knows what he's doing, when it's dumb luck.

Bingo.

No, no, no. You preempt any of this bullshit by making it clear that person X is in a temporary role, which will be filled by someone outside of the organization.

That requires leadership from Clark and would foster real, legitimate hope.

TBH, I'm with Deez in my heart. I want him gone. He's taken my beloved since I was a boy frachise and made it a laughinstock.


But, we've talked about this alot on here. This has needed to happen in KC for a long time. End the mediocrity. It's time to bottom out with this bullshit and hit rock bottom, in order to be built back the way it should be.

I've prepared myself to dig in and take it on the chin, for the greater good. It sucks, but it's 6 more weeks.

You're not saddling anyone with anything, and there are people, such as Farmer, who survive organizational changes. Therefore, he's not going to be hurt in any way shape or form. By assuming a title change for a few weeks, I'm sure he would be financially compensated, as appropriate, and he'd look the part of the good soldier, which plays well at the country club when the NFL good-ol-boy club gets together to have cocktails.

Read the post. Not saddling anyone with anything. Fire Pioli. START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.

Who cares if everyone is Pioli's minions? Fire the asshole. Anyone who wants to walk is free to. We have 6 weeks. If the entire front office and scouting staff walk, who cares?

Hell, if the entire coaching staff walks, who cares? A bunch of shit throwing monkeys could coach as well as this staff.

None of them are going to because they want to get paid. We are in no worse position either way.

Rewards include:

Chiefs Player for a Day


Holey **** I knew we were bad but DAMN!

That's how I feel about it, to the letter.

Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.

You can do ALL of those things without firing Pioli.

Honestly, I don't give a shit what they do.

I just completely understand the prudence of being cautious and calculated. There's alot of preparation that can be done without touching Pioli's contract.

I'm with htismaqe on this one. Besides, I hate rooting against the Chiefs for a draft pick. It's a bitter pill to swallow and I'm having trouble getting it down. On the other hand, I love the entertainment value of seeing Pioli dig himself a deeper grave. I'm all for just handing him more rope and watching him dance.

ROFL

Cowher isn't going to refuse a call from Clark just because Pioli is still employed. Don't be naive.

And outside of Cowher and Gruden, he CANNOT TALK TO OTHER CANDIDATES until the season is over.

WTF?!?!

If he's contacting others for GM jobs, don't you think they can figure out who they'll be replacing?

I'm home for Thanksgiving at the parents house, and while watching the SNF game with dad last night (who is a huge Chiefs fan as well) we talked about how "empty" it felt watching that kind of football be played, while the Chiefs are what they are.

We talked about going to night time prime time games at Arrowhead when it was in it's prime and how things in KC were. How we wanted so badly for the Chiefs to be like the Steelers or the Ravens.


I told him that hopefully we just have to grit our teeth and get thru 6 more weeks. I then told him all about SOC and the things they were doing and he got excited for that, but also pissed that we have sit thru things for this long without doing something like this.

You don't think that this FO realizes how ****ed they are?

Yep this is not complicated and happens all the time.

I'd be fine with this.


KC sports fans, Chiefs fans in particular, want so badly to have a competitive team. Hell you can see how passionate they are by what they have gone thru and still been there for games, tailgating etc. No doubt in my mind that when this thing gets turned around, KC might have the most loyal fanatical fanbase in the NFl and that Arrowhead be what it once was.

But some fences need mending in that regard.

Yeah, but we all know that this policy is subverted all of the time. While you might not be able to talk to a certain individual, you can talk to that individual's agent, etc.

As TTC stated yesterday, though, it's likely that Clark is completely lost on this thing, rocking in a corner, sobbing and sucking his thumb.

All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING. :D

We both want the same thing, but this fail train isn't stopping until it hits rock bottom, whether Pioli is the GM or not.

Thus, what would be the negative of firing him and promoting Farmer in an interim role? You don't have to kill Farmer in the process, a statement like this would suffice: "Ray Farmer, who has long been a valued man in our front office, will be our interim GM, but this position will be filled from someone outside the organization. We're going this direction not because Farmer is not qualified for the job--he is--but because I believe we need an outside perspective to get this great organization back to where it needs to be." /Hunt

Another reason not to fire him now is, honestly, I want the ****er to go down with the ship. No excuses.


Nothing other than 1-15 is a success this year, with that bald asshole taking the brunt of the force from it.

If Clark knows he is firing Pioli, having him around for another 6 weeks does absolutely no good. In fact it could cause an issue if Pioli realizes he is getting canned and tries to **** things up on the way out. Pioli has proven he is self centered,I doubt he will take his termination very well.

No its like the last days of Hitler in the bunker. If only Romeo can win 3-4 games we will be ok.

Although if you do fire him now, you take out the possibilty of this team winning 2 or 3 more games and him deflecting blame towards something else.

He already has, though. This piece of shit has been embarrassed in ways that few other GMs get to experience. For this, we thank the SOC movement.

Yes, but he's done his diligence to make sure it isn't pushed more than it has been.


Gotta keep the peddle down.



However, Deez doesnt a small part of you want to see the jackass go down with this dumpster fire he created.

I think Pioli is down, dude. Now we're simply putting more rounds into an already limp carcass. Yeah, there's some fun in that, but it's truly a waste of ammunition. At this point, haul the body into the woods and leave it for the coyotes.

Now it's more about pointing out to Hunt that something needs to be done about the dead body. He will further drive fans away with his inaction.

fire his ass at the end of the season and clean house, doing it now would just increase the chance of winning ameaningless game.

Let go of all coaches, scouting everything egoli brought in. There needs to be a purging.

You hear it over and over. Candidates refuse to talk if there is a person in place. It isn't naive. It's called professional courtesy.

Yep. Other than Matt Millen, is there a former GM who is anywhere near as toxic as Scott Pioli will be? He's done.

I still can't get over how avoidable this was for him. In an alternate universe where he released Cassel, signed Orton, and drafted a QB, he's probably not even on the hot seat.

What if it changes the culture of the team as well and win 4 or 5 of our remaining games and screw up our draft position?

Cowher would be the safest bet to fill Arrowhead back and win quickly. Especially with #1 pick in tow. Also with Marty ties would please alot of fans as well. Not exactly what I would do, but I could live with it.

If we did in fact hire Cowher, who are your coordinator choices?

Whoever he wants.

Guess thats probably true.


Wouldn't mind Rex as the DC.

JMO but a lot of the fans want it now because they fear that if we were somehow win a couple of games and the SOC movement was to lose ground that Pioli might not get fired.

Doesn't really exist in the NFL.

That's kind of silly.

If he's fit to fire now, nothing he does from here on out will prevent him from getting fired at the end of the season.

Winning a couple of games isn't going to suddenly "redeem" him in the eyes of anybody.

Completely this. I want him gone so there is no question if Roleo runs off 3-4 meaningless wins that Pioli gets to stay.

Thats my greatest fear

Fear is inherently irrational. You realize that, right?

It doesn't have to be anybody. Just our absentee owner.

Anybody includes our absentee owner.

He's un-saveable. Period.

In order realize something you must first be able to rationalize it, therefore to rationalize something that is irrationaly may be inherently hard to realize.

ROFL

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Works both ways. Professional courtesy extends to finishing out the season with whatever team you're on now, and not jumping ship to the Chiefs. Unless you're bringing in someone now, there's really no reason to make the change before the end of the season.

It is not going to happen but if by some miracle then win out that could change things

:D

But then what else are we going to do for fun? It's not like the games are enjoyable.

My only guess.....is that by waiting...Hunt allows Pioli to re-sign (saving face) and Romeo retires instead of being fired.

Why do the words "resign" (to give up one's job) and "resign" (to extend one's contract) have to be so similar?

I see it differently. If I'm Clark I fire Pioli and make Donovan or whomever sign Albert and personally tell Bowe he can have whatever he wants. Bowe walking will hurt way more than anything Pioli leaving will do.

A team gives a player a new contract by re-signing him.

A person leaves their post by resigning

We should sanction this post.

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Greg Robinson and Paul Hackett it is!

Ya it says depends upon availability...therefore you get to spend the day with Jalil Brown:banghead:

If I had to spend theday with Jalil Brown, I'd spend it trying to teach him to TURN HIS HEAD.

Your ****ing avatar muppet has a better chance of turning his head :doh!:

Clark could get hit by a train tomorrow and Pioli could inherit the team, too.

:D

Doesn't matter. Its my fear and I'm gonna feed and love it till Pioli gets the axe damn it!

I'd be done that hour from ever rooting for the Chiefs again. I'd watch soccer before that abortion.

Clark hasn't fired Pioli because he wants Geno Smith, and doing anything that gives the guys a boost and a chance to win isn't in his list of priorities. :)

why not?
he is gone, will quit spreading his cancer
and the hunt can begin now
asin\t like he's got a lot to do
not signing anybody

not trading anybody
not drafting,
and will get him the **** away from scouting next years draft


we don't need no water let the mother ****er burn

So Pioli doesn't want flyers distributed because he wants to protect his reputation.

Let's see if the dicktator can stop a youtube video documenting his fail from being published this offseason.

If Clark was stupid enough to bring back Pioli we will see empty stadiums and blackouts.

We need a real good Hitler is pissed at Pioli vid on you tube

God I ****ing love you.

I mean, in as homosexual a way as possible without actually engaging in coitus.

No, that shit is played out. I have better things to do, like PAINT IT BLACK videos.

This team really doesn't have anyone that can take over as an interim. Let the train wreck play out then line up the firing squad.

You'd better be talking about the Stones song.

Why, yes.

Well you knew we wouldn't be getting our new QB from the draft.

Yep.

I just don't see any way Pioli is back.

FYP

This is my hope.