The Doors: 1968 Hollywood Bowl
I DVRed it over the weekend. Not only is it a great show, but the sound mixing is perfect. It transcends through the digital world we live in now.
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“I believe in a long, prolonged derangement of the senses to attain the unknown. Our pale reasoning hides the infinite from us.” James Douglas Morrison |
Superb show, glad to see it finally get a proper treatment.
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Awesome love the Doors
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awesome show.
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If you don't believe me, here's a link. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/the-d...t-the-bowl-68/ |
Hey Stewie, I just looked it up and the concert on Palladia is the remastered version.
The original VHS can still be found on eBay and Amazon but what they're airing is the new version. It's showing again later in March so be sure to set your DVR. I will for sure and thanks for the heads up! :D |
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I saw this concert long before the transformation to digital and it's just as good. I'm not sure where you came up with your opinion on it vs. previous analog versions. It wasn't dogshit in 1985 on tape. My point was that the new digitization held up the analog integrity... especially Manzerek's, Krieger's and Densmore's subtleties as musicians. |
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That's why nearly every record from the 60's, 70's and 80's has been meticulously re-mastered for the digital medium. For one, analog tape degrades with every single pass on the heads. For a digital transfer to occur, tapes have to be baked in an over at a certain temperature, even tapes that have been in humidity free vaults for decades, or the tape would shed and crumble. Every mastering engineer, or in this case, Bruce Botnick, a famed recording engineer, takes great care in preserving the original sound. There are all kinds of De-Humming, De-Noising, De-Buzzing and similar noise reduction programs that can remove all of the noise without destroying the audio but even they need to be used carefully, as to not destroy the integrity of the original recording. This process can take months, even years (look no further than the Beatles catalog remasters at Abbey Roads) but this art has been nearly perfected. It's not called the National Academy of Recordings Arts and Sciences for nothing. :D |
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Did JDM drink or do drugs?
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He came from a strict upbringing. His dad was a rear admiral in the Navy. |
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A good example would be to take a CD from the 80's (non-remastered version - original transfer), put it on your stereo, then pop in a CD or audio file from 2012. What you'd hear is that the newer CD is anywhere from 6-12 decibels louder and has much more bottom end. That's because analog tape could only be pushed so hard before distorting. Also, LP's (albums) were mastered with far less bass because more bass would make the needle from your phonograph jump out its grooves. That's why everyone had big giant speakers with 10", 12" or 15" speakers in their home stereo whereas today, you can get a giant, full sound from a docking station or even decent mini-headphones. Digital has allowed recording engineers the ability to raise the signal to close to zero DB and include a ton of bass because there is no needle necessary. |
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If you work with a digital signal it's always limited to the x-bit conversion. If it's analog the signal is infinite and unobtrusive. |
The '60s Hammond organ is a perfect example of an analog sound that musicians crave today.
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And without noise reduction, whether it's DBX, Dolby A, B, C or SR, it's unbelievably noisy. If I were to take a signal and record it at 120db, it would be massively distorted on analog tape, regardless of the machine used. But if I record that signal through high end digital convertors (Apogee, RADAR, Lynx, Metric Halo, etc.), that signal is clean and undistorted. When that signal is then mixed with other signals that are properly gain-staged, it's much easier to create a truer, cleaner, undistorted reproduction. |
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But that type of "analog" instrument isn't congruous with digital or analog recording. Choosing to mic up a Hammond organ is a matter of taste. |
I have both vinyl pressings; the single LP put out in the 80's and the double 180-gran reissue that just came out.
I think the one from the 80's sounds better. |
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Sometimes, guys overthink things. But, I'm sure that the remastered DVD sounds much better than the direct-to-digital transfer. Let's face it: 98%, a good old album on a great stereo is going to sound better, richer and deeper than the same CD. People are used to hearing harmonic distortion because it's pleasing to the ear. |
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the original 80's CD put out by CBS sounded like dogshit. the first remaster by Virgin in 1994 sounded GREAT. The one they put out recently, that had the bonus disc of outtakes...sounded worse than the one from the 80's. The bass is boomy and it's just LOUD - it's stripped of all dynamics. So glad that a lot of the records coming out have backed off from the 'hot mastering/loudness wars' trend. It's all fine with nû-metal or raps musics (music that generally lacks dynamic subtlety), but when they start doing all that with old analog music from the 60's and 70's, it changes the way the music actually sounds. Hell, the original Crowes CDs sounds way better than the Remasters that came out in that Box Set, and those were recorded within the past 25 years. That being said, the original Van Halen and Black Sabbath CDs sounded like DOGSHIT, and the remasters that Rhino put out are amazing. I'm pretty impressed with the care Rhino takes. And I definitely do like my Beatles Mono Remasters box set... |
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There are very few people working professionally (especially those on deadlines) that aren't using digital emulations of analog organs and synths. As Trent Reznor put it "Arturia has made a Vintage Synth bundle that sounds exactly like the original, except it works flawlessly". :D |
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Labels don't make much money from bands anymore due to piracy. So, the turn to the next best thing and continually remaster their legacy catalogs for income. Quote:
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I hope it's successful but I just don't think people care. Music has become disposable to two generations of people and soon, there won't be many people around that care about sound quality because 128 is just fine. It's actually sad but reality. |
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The one hope that the "new" higher resolution 24 bit/whatever sampling rate download formats gives (other than potentially better quality end user material) is that they help the industry start trending away from the "loudness war" that has plauged it and subsequently the consumer for the past 20+ years. Anywho, back to what I was originally looking for: Has anyone downloaded the PONO music app? It looks like they require it for the hi-res music downloads on their site, but I'm not overly excited about another clunky music player on my machine. Unfortunately, their hi-res downloads cost approximately 10 to 20% less than HDTracks. I've been pretty satisfied with MusicBee as my player/organizer and MediaMonkey as my downloader. I don't really want to switch to a whole new operation with Pono just to save a couple of bucks on my hi-res downloads. Anybody using the Pono app that can offer an objective analysis of it's operations? |
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As I've mentioned so many times, music has become disposable. It's background noise. It's become completely devalued the past 20 years and unfortunately for people like me, it will only become worse. |
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Storage is insanely cheap at this point and will only get bigger and cheaper - e.g., they just released the 200 gb micro-sd cards, the 128's are under $100 and the 64's are now at $25! I think it's a real deal. Downloads are what the future of music is vs. hard copy stuff which is a dinosaur in every respect of the word. People know MP3's suck - they just haven't been given a viable, known option at this point and Pono has done that (even though hi-res music downloads have been around for a while). It's put the "hi-res" formats in front of the consumer and given them an option. And they've responded - see the $8,000,000 that Pono raised on Kickstarter as proof. That's the "masses" supporting it, not some investment team or corporation or big music label. People do want better sound. They just haven't been given it until now. And I think that the 24 bit format helps engineers make a better product as well - or the potential to anyway. Hi-res downloads are available on the grassroots level on Bandcamp (Hey Kyle, where's my A Light Within 24/96 btw?) and there are now a pretty large number of sites offering them. |
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