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Deberg_1990 11-16-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9122726)
Peoples eating habits have gotten better and spelled doom for Hostess.

Not really....If anything, theres alot more competition with sweets now. More than ever.

Fat Elvis 11-16-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9122746)
Though true, it doesn't change the fact that they had a choice between taking the paycuts and losing their jobs. I guess I don't understand the situation well enough to know why losing your job would be the preferable option these days.

Because coupled with previous concessions, workers at the Hostess plants can make more money from unemployment than they could under the new proposal.

BigMeatballDave 11-16-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9122773)
Because coupled with previous concessions, workers at the Hostess plants can make more money from unemployment than they could under the new proposal.

Link?

jspchief 11-16-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9122773)
Because coupled with previous concessions, workers at the Hostess plants can make more money from unemployment than they could under the new proposal.

That's a little misleading. They may take home more with unemployment, but taxes and social security aren't withheld. Come April, they will owe taxes on all that unemployment money.

And then there's the issue of unemployment being a finite benefit.

dirk digler 11-16-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9122773)
Because coupled with previous concessions, workers at the Hostess plants can make more money from unemployment than they could under the new proposal.

What kind of pay cuts are they looking at? In the article you posted the one guy quoted was making $17 which is about $35,000\yr

Fat Elvis 11-16-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9122782)
Link?

They are claiming that in the Chicago Tribune....

BigMeatballDave 11-16-2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9122782)
Link?

LOL nevermind

Fat Elvis 11-16-2012 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9122784)
That's a little misleading. They may take home more with unemployment, but taxes and social security aren't withheld. Come April, they will owe taxes on all that unemployment money.

And then there's the issue of unemployment being a finite benefit.

I think they are probably assuming that once Hostess re-emerges out of bankruptcy under new ownership, many of the workers will probably be hired back. I dunno, that's my guess anyway....

Fat Elvis 11-16-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 9122787)
What kind of pay cuts are they looking at? In the article you posted the one guy quoted was making $17 which is about $35,000\yr

I think it would be interesting to see what kind of concessions the unions had already made in the past. Right now, I think they are looking at an 8% cut.

jspchief 11-16-2012 08:56 AM

Unemployment benefits typically pay about 66% of the average of your gross income over the previous X number of weeks. Your take home pay from a job is probably in the neighborhood of 75% of gross.

Take an 8% pay cut, and your take home pay may come close to that 66% unemployment benefit.

But like I said, taxes are not withheld from unemployment, but they are still owed on it. Short term you may be bringing home more collecting unemployment. Long term you won't. And it will run out.

BigCatDaddy 11-16-2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 9122787)
What kind of pay cuts are they looking at? In the article you posted the one guy quoted was making $17 which is about $35,000\yr

It said 8% so he would have went to $32,200.

notorious 11-16-2012 08:56 AM

****, this thread is going to draw the DC scum into the lounge.

BigMeatballDave 11-16-2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9122784)
That's a little misleading. They may take home more with unemployment, but taxes and social security aren't withheld. Come April, they will owe taxes on all that unemployment money.

And then there's the issue of unemployment being a finite benefit.

You have the option to have federal taxes withheld on unemployment benefits.

jspchief 11-16-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9122793)
I think they are probably assuming that once Hostess re-emerges out of bankruptcy under new ownership, many of the workers will probably be hired back. I dunno, that's my guess anyway....

Quite possibly. But if they think they will be hired back at their previous wage, they are likely fooling themselves.

jspchief 11-16-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9122804)
You have the option to have federal taxes withheld on unemployment benefits.

That's (somewhat) new. Wasn't the case back when I was on unemployment.


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