Meh, if a Saints fan gave me a hard time about how his team won a SB a couple of years ago, I'd have no reason to bring up Super Bowl IV... my dad was 10. I don't see how it's relevant outside of the mere fact that it once happened. I, in no way, experienced it or its awesomness (and again, I have no idea if duncan was actually around in 1960).

I think it does. MU fans can try to belittle the Orange Bowl win, but it is a more important bowl appearance, and victory than MU has had in recent memory (The last 20 years or so). I know I'm using qualifiers, but it seems MU fans use those same qualifiers when KU basketball titles from 50+ years ago are boasted about.

If you read what I bolded, he said lone Orane Bowl VISIT, not victory.

The main problem ku has is they didn't capitalize on their Orange Bowl win. In fact, they did the opposite. They fired the coach that got them there and hired someone who was way over their head. There isn't any recruit out there who is going to impressed by a BCS win when the program has gone to the dump in the 4 years since.

Missouri used their success in football and their upswing in basketball to move to the SEC.

Both had their chances to raise the status of their programs, but only one took advantage of it.

Yep. MU's obviously made the most of it, and KU FB folded under a little bit of adversity... not sure I'd say MU used their success to move though. Didn't hurt, of course...

This is exactly right. It's only amplified by the fact that KU had Jim Harbaugh, I mean he WAS the next coach, a move that would have put KU on another level as a program and Lew Perkins halted it. I'm not a sweet Lew fan.

I understand that you're bringing up random shit that nobody's talking about.

He's trying to bait me in to see if I know KU's bowl history....here's the record of their 12 bowl visits in their football history:

Football Season Bowl Location AP Rank Opponent Result
1947 Orange Bowl Miami, FL 13 Georgia Tech L 20-14
1961 Bluebonnet Bowl Houston, TX Rice W 33-7
1968 Orange Bowl Miami, FL 3 Penn State L 15-14
1973 Liberty Bowl Memphis, TN 19 NC State L 31-18
1975 Sun Bowl El Paso, TX 19 Pittsburgh L 33-19
1981 Hall of Fame Bowl Birmingham, AL Mississippi State L 10-0
1992 Aloha Bowl Honolulu, HI 22 BYU W 23-20
1995 Aloha Bowl Honolulu, HI 11 UCLA W 51-30
2003 Mazda Tangerine Bowl Orlando, FL NC State L 56-26
2005 Fort Worth Bowl Fort Worth, TX Houston W 42-13
2007 FedEx Orange Bowl Miami, FL 8 Virginia Tech W 24-21 BCS Bowl
2008 Insight Bowl Tempe, AZ Minnesota W 42-21

And here is MU's

The Tigers have a 13-16 Bowl Record. They have appeared in the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl Classic, Gator Bowl, Sun Bowl, Capital One Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Independence Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl, Texas Bowl, All-American Bowl and the Bluebonnet Bowl.

Season Bowl Opponent Result
1924 Los Angeles Christmas Festival 1924 USC Trojans L 7-20
1939 1940 Orange Bowl 1939 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets L 7-21
1941 1942 Sugar Bowl 1942 Fordham Rams football team L 0-2
1945 1946 Cotton Bowl Classic 1945 Texas Longhorns football team L 27-40
1948 1949 Gator Bowl 1948 Clemson Tigers football team L 23-24
1949 1950 Gator Bowl 1949 Maryland Terrapins football team L 7-20
1959 1960 Orange Bowl 1959 Georgia Bulldogs football team L 0-14
1960 1961 Orange Bowl 1960 Navy Midshipmen football team W 21-14
1962 1962 Bluebonnet Bowl 1962 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets W 14-10
1965 1966 Sugar Bowl 1965 Florida Gators football team W 20-18
1968 1968 Gator Bowl 1968 Alabama Crimson Tide football team W 35-10
1969 1970 Orange Bowl 1969 Penn State Nittany Lions football team L 3-10
1972 1972 Fiesta Bowl 1972 Arizona State Sun Devils football team L 35-49
1973 1973 Sun Bowl 1973 Auburn Tigers football team W 34-17
1978 1978 Liberty Bowl 1978 Louisiana State Tigers football team W 20-15
1979 1979 All-American Bowl 1979 South Carolina Gamecocks W 24-14
1980 1980 Liberty Bowl 1980 Purdue Boilermakers football team L 25-28
1981 1981 Tangerine Bowl 1981 Southern Miss. Golden Eagles W 19-17
1983 1983 Holiday Bowl 1983 BYU Cougars football team L 17-21
1997 1997 Holiday Bowl 1997 Colorado State Rams football team L 24-35
1998 1998 Insight.com Bowl 1998 West Virginia Mountaineers W 34-31
2003 2003 Independence Bowl 2003 Arkansas Razorbacks L 14-27
2005 2005 Independence Bowl 2005 South Carolina Gamecocks W 38-31
2006 2006 Sun Bowl 2006 Oregon State Beavers football team L 38-39
2007 2008 Cotton Bowl Classic 2007 Arkansas Razorbacks W 38-7
2008 2008 Alamo Bowl 2008 Northwestern Wildcats W 30-23 (OT)
2009 2009 Texas Bowl 2009 Navy Midshipmen football team L 13-35
2010 2010 Insight Bowl 2010 Iowa Hawkeyes football team L 24-27
2011 2011 Independence Bowl 2011 North Carolina Tar Heels W 41-24

Wow, and they have only ever been to bowls in consecutive years once. In a hundred plus years of football....no wonder Wickedson sucks off oranges so damn much.

KU has no tradition in football, at all. There's no arguing that.

Gale Sayers. That's about the extent of KU football tradition.

Wasn't Stubblefield a Jayhawk?

And John Riggins, but Sayers is the only iconic player in school history.

Yep. And John Hadl. And John Riggins. And Gilbert Brown.

And Big Gus from Leathernecks? That's Keith Loneker, played for KU and the Rams. (Also played Clarence Darlington in "Lakeview Terrace" with Samuel L. Jackson).

Nolan Cromwell did pretty well, too, I guess.