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pr_capone 11-23-2012 12:27 AM

Is there an accountant/lawyer on the forum? - SOC
 
So... this thing has gotten WAY bigger than anticipated. A grand or two and I would have no problem reporting it and paying taxes. Donation +. I cannot bear 7k in taxes on money I never had.

I need an accountant or a lawyer. SOC needs to become a 501c3. I will be using SOC funds to pay whatever fees are necessary so cost is definitely a consideration.

SPchief 11-23-2012 12:32 AM

I know Amnorix is a rival fan, but I think he has some background in this area. But I think it's on a corporate level. I'm sure some one will step up though

SPchief 11-23-2012 12:33 AM

You might have to go into the sewer though.

Simply Red 11-23-2012 12:34 AM

is it Banyon that's a lawyer? I'm not sure on that, I thought I remember him being one, but I may be wrong.

Ebolapox 11-23-2012 12:35 AM

isn't baby lee a lawyer?

KS Smitty 11-23-2012 12:37 AM

Check your pm's.

RustShack 11-23-2012 12:47 AM

I represented myself in court once.

pr_capone 11-23-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9143425)
I represented myself in court once.

Was it after staying at a Holiday Inn Express?

SPchief 11-23-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9143426)
Was it after staying at a Holiday Inn Express?

I'm guessing after a win over Iowa. But next year they'll be better than this year so he might have to hire an actual lawyer. At least ISU isn't KU

bowener 11-23-2012 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9143425)
I represented myself in court once.

Masturbating in public is pretty easy to plead guilty to.

Dr. Johnny Fever 11-23-2012 01:04 AM

I know this is CP and joking posts come with the territory but it seems to me this is a place for serious responses only. JMO.

SPchief 11-23-2012 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 9143439)
I know this is CP and joking posts come with the territory but it seems to me this is a place for serious responses only. JMO.

The first 5 were. He'll get his info

Chiefspants 11-23-2012 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9143397)
So... this thing has gotten WAY bigger than anticipated. A grand or two and I would have no problem reporting it and paying taxes. Donation +. I cannot bear 7k in taxes on money I never had.

I need an accountant or a lawyer. SOC needs to become a 501c3. I will be using SOC funds to pay whatever fees are necessary so cost is definitely a consideration.

Good luck, man, after personally going through that process last year, I discovered that the state of Kansas has some near nightmarish policies in place for the establishment and maintenance of a 501c3. Several of our friends recommended that we start a 501c3 in the states of Texas or Georgia, (apparently the process is much easier there.)

Basically, if you want to be a charitable organization, you're going to want a full time lawyer and bookkeeper. My understanding is that you would be required to send reports of your financial transactions to the state, and that your license would have to be renewed every year (We were told that this was also a nightmarish process.)

Your best bet would be to align yourself with an existing charity (it's what I ended up doing for my organization.)

Best of luck, PR.

SPchief 11-23-2012 01:07 AM

Oh, and Frankie's mom is a whore

pr_capone 11-23-2012 01:48 AM

w00t! sorted.

Sorter 11-23-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9143486)
w00t! sorted.

I want royalties.

Smed1065 11-23-2012 01:54 AM

Mine was a gift, it says so on my receipt.

BigRedChief 11-23-2012 06:13 AM

501c3's are a nightmare to set up. But, there are options to accomplish your goal and much easier.

Rasputin 11-23-2012 08:13 AM

Dress up as indians and dump tea bags in the Boston harbor, that'll show em.

Dave Lane 11-23-2012 10:18 AM

Actually I think this would fall under hobby status and was not run for profit. Additionally you could treat it as a for profit company that made no money. Income - Expenses = 0. But really the IRS could care less about something like this that is obviously not for profit 501c3 status or not.

Shox 11-23-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9143734)
Actually I think this would fall under hobby status and was not run for profit. Additionally you could treat it as a for profit company that made no money. Income - Expenses = 0. But really the IRS could care less about something like this that is obviously not for profit 501c3 status or not.

I'm a CPA and even if an endeavor is done for hobby purposes and the income is taxable, expense are an itemized deduction......this is the worst possible situation.

I think it could make an argument it is a gift and not taxable.

On the other hand the IRS could argue the money is taxable income or the service of communicating the views of chiefs fans to Clark and Chiefs management. But, the costs incurred would be deductible. Assuming you spend all or the majority of the funds on legit business expenses (i.e. banners ect) you would have no taxable income and accordingly no income tax liability.

I think I would just report the income and deduct the expenses.

aturnis 11-23-2012 11:40 AM

Luv I believe is a legal assistant. Get in touch with her...

LOCOChief 11-23-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9143397)
So... this thing has gotten WAY bigger than anticipated. A grand or two and I would have no problem reporting it and paying taxes. Donation +. I cannot bear 7k in taxes on money I never had.

I need an accountant or a lawyer. SOC needs to become a 501c3. I will be using SOC funds to pay whatever fees are necessary so cost is definitely a consideration.

501c3 is not going to be the way to go.
Aside from the fact that you'll have upwards of $700 in filing fees alone. 501c3 status is retro to the date of incorporation- it's a process. If you do it, get a cpa before they get crazy busy.

I think you'd have a hard time getting the IRS to approve the status for SOC and it won't happen until the end of the tax year but you have to be a corp before the end of this year. You will need bylaws, and financial projections and be able to justify the use of revenues raised.

Talk to a CPA and find another way. I'm sure that anyone that's donated weren't going to claim the donation on their returns but if they do........

LOCOChief 11-23-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9143800)
I'm a CPA and even if an endeavor is done for hobby purposes and the income is taxable, expense are an itemized deduction......this is the worst possible situation.

I think it could make an argument it is a gift and not taxable.

On the other hand the IRS could argue the money is taxable income or the service of communicating the views of chiefs fans to Clark and Chiefs management. But, the costs incurred would be deductible. Assuming you spend all or the majority of the funds on legit business expenses (i.e. banners ect) you would have no taxable income and accordingly no income tax liability.

I think I would just report the income and deduct the expenses.

there's the answer. And I thought this was the "worst possible situation" as well.

Chief Roundup 11-23-2012 11:57 AM

isn't frazod a lawyer???

WilliamTheIrish 11-23-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9143925)
isn't frazod a lawyer???

Where do I start? LMAO

Intelligent. [checkmark]

He has the ability to argue a point. [checkmark]

Hates Kansas [checkmark]

Hates University of Kansas [checkmark]

Hates (most) University of Kansas fans [checkmark]

Was acquitted of attempted murder of a home appliance [checkmark]

Got this acquittal but, like OJ, we ALL KNOW HE DID IT. [checkmark]

No, he's not an attorney.

Fat Elvis 11-23-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9143925)
isn't frazod a lawyer???

no

Stinger 11-23-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9143925)
isn't frazod a lawyer???

LMAO LMAO

Would love to see that exchange between Frazod and a judge.....

Chieftain58 11-23-2012 12:47 PM

I was thinking about that the other day, chunt or Pioli will be sicking the irs on you .

JimNasium 11-23-2012 12:51 PM

I'm of the opinion that this thread should be pulled immediately and this topic discussed offline.

ghak99 11-23-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 9143999)
I'm of the opinion that this thread should be pulled immediately and this topic discussed offline.

I agree!



/puts on tinfoil hat

Chiefspants 11-23-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 9143999)
I'm of the opinion that this thread should be pulled immediately and this topic discussed offline.

A JimNasium sighting?!

JimNasium 11-23-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9144007)
A JimNasium sighting?!

WTF is going on here? ;)


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