Wasn't he in it already? When he was drunk and they started to force more wine down him and she said something. If they were going to write him out I'd think they would do it completely.

Yes, very interesting. He deserves a hand.

Careful.

Since we are spoiler free, I'll just say that I don't think they would have written Dontos' scene in the first episode into the show if they didn't plan to continue with his story line.

They did have the Hound give Sansa his cloak to cover up with which is consistent with the book. They haven't done as good a job overall on the show of showing the sort of weird relationship that the Hound and Sansa develop in the books, but they do give it little bits of attention here and there. He definitely has a soft spot for her.

Oh, and Jaime has little role for most of the second book because he's a prisoner, but no worries, he comes back into the story at some point.

I'm just going to have to read the books soon so I don't have to ponder what vague spoiler statements like this are supposed to mean.

Good, I figured that he would.

I'd forgotten about the rats in a bucket stuff from the book until they started doing it....made my stomach hurt.

Takes an imagination to think up a torture method like that.

If you watch very closely, you can see the Hound has a look of disgust on his face at one point while Joffrey is being Joffrey.

Episode summary and clarification for those interested (from another website):



The Riverlands

The episode opens with Robb, his wolf Grey Wind, and his army beating Stafford Lannister's army. Stafford is a cousin of Tywin and was in charge of a newly gathered army, and Robb continues his streak of victories at the expense of Stafford. Have no doubt, though: Stafford is in the minor leagues. Robb hasn't engaged Tywin on the field as of yet.

In the aftermath of the battle, Rob meets a physician who happens to be an attractive woman (and handy with a saw, too!). Her name is Talitha (I think) of Volantis. She deplores the waste of battle, and punctures Robb's ego a bit by laying blame on him for the costs of war. He's left standing there, watching her ride away. Will we see her again? He seems a bit smitten, but remember that he's promised to wed a daughter of the Freys (part of the payment for Walder Frey allowing Robb's army to cross the river at the Twins).

In this scene, you also meet Roose Bolton. Roose is one of the key bannermen for the North. His sigil is the Flayed Man, and he offhandedly mentions that his House believes that naked men hold few secrets, and flayed men have none. He and Robb seem to have differences of opinion as to how to wage war most effectively. It bears watching.

King's Landing

King Joffrey is not happy with news of Robb's victory, and he takes it out on Sansa. Tough guy Joff has taken to carrying a crossbow around with him, and he lines Sansa up in its sights. But alas, his mother Cersei has told him he is definitely to marry Sansa, and she would frown upon him killing her. So he has Meryn Trant of the Kingsguard beat Sansa with the flat of his sword and rip her dress.

Tyrion arrives and puts a stop to it. He is appalled at his nephew...and he has good reason to be, doesn't he? Tyrion explains to Joffrey that even kings can't do whatever they want - see the Mad King as an example of someone who went too far. He escorts Sansa from the throne room, and asks her if she'd like to call off the engagement to Joff. Sansa gives the politically correct answer that she is loyal to Joffrey, her one true love.

Tyrion's man Bronn thinks Joffrey is backed up "from balls to brains". Tyrion asks if Bronn thinks that Joffrey getting laid would cure him of his idiocy. Line of the night: Bronn replies "there's no cure for being a c*nt", but it couldn't hurt.

So Tyrion buys Joffrey a couple of prostitutes. Joffrey is a twisted guy, or he resents Tyrion's presumption of buying him the whores, or both - so he makes one of the prostitutes (Roz) torture the other, and then makes Roz take the tortured one to Tyrion. A message, no doubt.

Tyrion is visited by Lancel, his cousin (Tywin has a brother named Kevan. Lancel is Kevan's son.) Lancel is not a particularly bright lad, and Tyrion quickly traps him into a confession that he's sleeping with Cersei. He twists him with incredible ease, and gets Lancel to commit to being his spy, reporting on everything Cersei does, who she sees, etc. As a sop to Cersei, Tyrion agrees to release Pycelle from the dungeons.

The Stormlands

Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) has visited Renly, but he finds little welcome. Renly resents Baelish's betrayal of Robert. Baelish hints that some might welcome Renly as king, and that Petyr could shorten the seige of King's Landing tremendously.

Petyr then tries his wiles on Queen Margaery. Margaery shows herself to be a seasoned (though young) player of the Game of Thrones, and Petyr doesn't seem to get very far with her.

Thirdly, Petyr finds his old crush Catelyn in Renly's gathering. He finds a more heated reception with her, as she resents his betrayal of Ned. With Catelyn, Petyr cannot seem to find the cool, measured approach that he normally has. He puts his foot wrong with her repeatedly, and she threatens him with a knife. Finally, he plays upon her concerns for her two daughters, and demands the release of the Kingslayer - Jaime Lannister - from Robb's prison. As a goodwill gesture, Petyr has escorted Ned's bones to be presented to Catelyn, so that he may seek his eternal rest in the Stark crypt in Winterfell.

Later, Stannis and Renly meet to parley. Stannis is immovable in his demands that Renly bow to him, despite Renly's clearly superior numbers. He consents to name Renly his heir until he has a son. Renly is dismissive of Stannis ("born in salt and smoke? Is he a ham?").

Stannis gives Renly one night to recant his claim, and he departs after a final warning note is sounded by Melisandre to Renly - "the night is dark and full of terrors".

The Red Waste, and Qarth

Daenerys is in desperate straits vis-a-vis food and water, but finally one of her scouts returns with news of a city. The Thirteen of Qarth would be honored to receive the Mother of Dragons, the scout says. Jorah Mormont warns the Khaleesi that the ground around the city of Qarth is a "Garden of Bones" left behind by those who were not granted access to the city. It seems that Daenerys and her khalasar may add their bones to the garden, as the Thirteen (essentially the wealthiest merchants who rule Qarth) refuse her entry unless she reveals the dragons. Daenerys doesn't think she should have to show the dragons first, but the Thirteen are unimpressed by her promise of vengeance when her dragons are grown, and they play a little hardball. Well, twelve of the Thirteen, anyway. The thirteenth is Xaro Xhoan Daxos, who vouches for Daenerys with his blood in order to allow her and some of her crew entry to the city.

Harrenhal

Arya and company have been brought to the cursed castle of Harrenhal, burned by dragon fire with the coming of the Targaryens. Arya has taken a lesson from Yoren, saying her "prayers" as she lays down to sleep. Her prayers are the recitation of the names of those she will take her vengeance upon. Currently the list consists of: Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne (the executioner who took Ned's head), and the Hound.

Harrenhal is a cheerful place, as prisoners are being tortured to death, selected by The Mountain, and put to the question by a gentleman known as Polliver. He asks the prisoners the same questions - is there any gold or silver in the town? Gems? Where is The Brotherhood? Nobody seems to know the answers, so they put a bucket with a rat tight up against their stomach, and then hold a torch to the end of the bucket. The rat, of course, can feel the heat and in an attempt to get away, has to chew through the prisoner's belly. Polliver and the Hound get added to Arya's list.

The next day, Gendry is picked. He is asked the same questions as the others, but he can't answer - he's not from the village, and he doesn't know what The Brotherhood is (and neither do we at this point). Tywin returns to Harrenhal in the midst of this questioning and puts an end to it. Not out of altruism, but because he deems it wasteful - a point which is underscored when he asks Gendry if he has a trade, and finds out that he's a smith. Smiths, logically, are very valuable in times of war. Tywin also sees through Arya's gender disguise, is taken by her smarts, and designates her as his new cupbearer.

The Finale

At last we get a little more straight talk on Davos Seaworth and the pouch around his neck. He keeps his fingerbones in that pouch. What happened to his fingers? Stannis chopped off the last digit of 4 fingers on one hand, as punishment for his smuggling. Stannis did this personally, wielding the cleaver himself. He did this at the same time he was raising Davos to knighthood as thanks for smuggling food into the castle in which Stannis was besieged, saving them all from starvation (the bulk of the smuggled foods was onions - thus Davos is the Onion Knight). Stannis is so exacting that when Davos mentions he has four less fingernails to keep clean, Stannis corrects his grammar...it's four fewer fingernails.

Stannis orders Davos to smuggle Melisandre into Renly's keep, which he does. He banters back and forth with her. He points out that it's odd that the Lord of Light's methods involve working within the shadows, to which Melisandre replies that shadows could not exist without light, that they are servants of light, and that brighter fires cast darker shadows. She then drops her robe, revealing an advanced state of pregnancy. What's up? She promised Stannis a son, but they just had sex for the first time last week.

She plops down right there to give birth, and it looks to be a messy one. Issuing forth from her womb is a shadow creature...then fade to black.

Did they describe in book 2 how he "Tickled"? I remember the questions he asked and all that, but can't remember if they went into detail, it's been too long.

Guys wtf? There is a thread for those who have read the books. Go discuss that stuff there.

I'm only discussing things that have happened. It isn't a spoiler if it happened already.

Wtf came out of that dragon priestess!?

She's actually a priestess of Rh'lor, Lord of Light. It was a shadow. Next week you'll get to see why she did it, though it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

Agreed. I would have to resist punching him on sight if I ever ran into that actor; him and Shooter McGavin.

Poliver /= to the Tickler...two different people. Poliver asks the questions, the Tickler does the rest. I think the Tickler isn't going to be mentioned in the show like he was in the book. Not a spoiler, already happened, just not expanded on the screen. In the book they did talk a lot more about all the things they did for torture, the rat thing being one of them.

I've been wondering what Melisandre's real motivations are. Power for herself or for her god? It seems odd that she's involving herself in this dispute over a throne.

She claims to believe that Stannis is fulfilling an old prophecy about being the promised hero that was born of salt and smoke and wields the magic sword lightbringer. At least that is what she said in the first episode when she had him pull the burning sword from the flames on the beach, and in this last episode when talking with Renly (to which Renly replied "salt and smoke, what is he, a ham?"). I won't expand more on the prophecy yet since this is spoiler free and that is all she has said about it on the show so far.

Not sure who the spoiler comment was directed at, but everything I post in this thread is spoiler free through the last episode to air. Once it has aired, it is fair game. The summary of the latest episode that I posted above from the other website is spoiler free and is specifically intended to help explain things to nonreaders without spoiling anything for future episodes.

The power of religion. If a kingdom subscribes to her religion, who rules who? The king over the priest(ess) or the priest(ess) over the king?

I would venture to guess that not everyone knew that it was a shadow.

This is what my comment was directed at.

I haven't read the books and I figured that out.

Good for you. I didn't know it was a shadow. For all I knew it was a ghost or a demon. I actually checked the spoiler thread to see what it was. Regardless, there is talk about the book in here.

Also some shit that happened in the book that didn't happen in the show. The thing with Salsa being topless being in the book.

Salsa. LMAO

Salsa Stark would kind of have a "Clerks" vibe.

Talk about the first book and the second book up to the point of the current episode is fine in here, since it can help clear up stuff that doesn't make sense in the show. The book warning is really only to prevent spoiling things that happen in future episodes.

Yeah, I know the stuff so far has been minor, but there shouldn't really be any book talk at all, IMO.

I'm sure there is shit that has been left out of the books that wasn't in the show. I plan on reading the books and don't want them completely spoiled. I love the little intricacies and differences and if someone points out a bunch of them, it will make the reading experience less enjoyable for me.

Just my 2 cents.

I appreciated hearing the differences the first season. Partly what motivated me to buy the books.

I actually agree with him. Having not read the books, I'd like to enjoy and understand the show within the context of the show, not knowing what they cut out.

Plus, if there's no book talk, there's a much lesser chance of someone being distracted or something and accidentally giving something big away by mistake.

The rules have been what they are for a year/season-and-a-half, they ain't changing now. Just don't spoil.

You don't get to set the rules!

Sure I do!

If you don't like them, start your own thread.

Call it "Buck'z gayme of throwns thred fur tha iliterite".

So anyway, Bronn dropped one of the best lines of the episode.

“There’s no cure for being a ****.”

— Bronn, on Joffrey.

I actually like Bronn more on the show than I did in the books. I could watch a whole episode of dialog between him and Tyrion.

How does a guy who already read the books get to decide the rules for those who haven't?

I don't know. Maybe he decides to start the thread a year ago out of the kindness of his heart?

I was kidding before, but if it's such a big deal to you, feel free to start your own thread. Won't hurt my feelings a bit. Might be worth having a place for discussion of the show that bans book talk. :shrug:

You ****ing claim every tv show before anyone else gets the chance to start a thread.

Naw but seriously, I'm just joking around with you, but IMO, anything from a book that is different from the show (even if already aired) should be in spoiler tags.

That's a simple fix.

Isn't Supernatural is the only other show thread I have going? Maybe I'm sleep posting again.

Illiterate ****s.

I think you started the following, I could be wrong.

-Fringe
-Supernatural
-GoT x2
-The River
-Alcatraz
-Awake

There may be more. There was literally a point where I'd hear about a show and come to post about it and you had made a thread within 30 minutes before I arrived.

That certainly looks like every show on TV.

Here we go...

-Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone) (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5)
keg in kc

-Go to first new post Game of Thrones Season 2 *Spoiler* Thread (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
keg in kc

-Go to first new post Fairy Tale shows premiering this fall...
keg in kc

-Doctor Who (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5)
keg in kc

-AMC's Next: The Killing (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
keg in kc

-"Community" is awesome (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
keg in kc

-HBO greenlights A Game of Thrones pilot! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Last Page)
keg in kc

-Movies and TV
1 Deleted Post(s) Alcatraz (Multi-page thread 1 2)
keg in kc

-Movies and TV
NBC's 'Awake'
keg in kc

-Fox's 'Terra Nova' (Multi-page thread 1 2)
keg in kc

-Movies and TV
ABC's 'The River'
keg in kc

-Space: 2099
keg in kc

-BBC America's "Luther"
keg in kc

-Fox's 'Alcatraz'
keg in kc

-NBC's Thursday comedy lineup (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5)
keg in kc

-BBCA: "The Hour"
keg in kc

-Movies and TV
Men of a Certain Age
keg in kc

-CBS's 'Person of Interest'
keg in kc

-HBO set to do American Gods
keg in kc

-Movies and TV
1 Attachment(s) NBC's Wonder Woman
keg in kc

-AMC going from zombies to aliens?
keg in kc

-Lights Out
keg in kc

-The Chicago Code
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-New AMC series: Rubicon
keg in kc


Anyway, you get the point.

I know I'm going against the grain because everyone is obsessed with this show, but I'm starting to lose interest in it.

I suppose I commend Joffery (the actor) for doing so well at his role that I fucking hate him so much I wanna quit watching the show until the episode comes where he gets his shit pushed in...(if that even happens). That kid is so evil it makes me want to puke.

Tyrion is really the only reason I'm still watching.... other than that, no storyline is really grabbing my attention.


I loved the first season, but this season has been total MEH so far.

A lot of HBO shows are like that. First half of the season, a lot of setting up, the 2nd half of the season is the payoff.

This really is "much ado about nothing". Any detail from the books that isn't in the show is one of a million. They're turning 1,000 pages into 10 hours of television.

It's not going to ruin the books for you. When you read them, it's just going to flesh everything out. A ton more detail about what you already know, and enjoyed.

WTF? What happend to a spoiler free zone thread?

Not just HBO. That's the way story arcs work. Unfortunately, seasons function as story arcs, so they have to consist of exposition/build-up before really getting into the meat of shit. It would be great if they hit the ground running, but that's not the way it works.

Breaking Bad did the same shit where everyone would whine about losing interest in the story only to have their minds completely ****ed. As a fan of the books, I'll just say that there's plenty of shit about to hit the fan down the road.

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

yeah that was my point

HBO does serial dramas. They don't do MOTW, which is what way too many people prefer.

Ah man, WTF!?!? I thought this was the no spoilers thread!!!

If it doesn't stop I'm going to throw my weight around and stop it myself.:mad:

You have a thread to discuss how the show compares to the books. Use it.

Sorry, bro. It's going to be boring as **** from here on out. Lots of Joffrey beating some bitches while the Starks decide to figure out how to brew beer and sit around getting drunk. After Season 1, it all pretty much goes down hill. Just stop watching.

Oh, for ****'s sake. LMAO

I have no time to read. All my free time is spent posting on Chiefs Planet. :rolleyes:

No, I'm not sure I do get the point. And I'm not sure why I even care enough to reply, but aside from this GoT thread and the new spoiler thread I started for this season, not a single one of those was started to be a discussion thread. When I see an article about a cool-looking upcoming show, I'll share it just so people know that it exists. Most of the time, they don't get more than a handful of replies, and often "official discussion" threads are started later on by whoever feels like starting them. Which is great.

Anyway, enough already. This is taking focus away from the show.

There are some seriously sandy vaginas here.

Well, in any case... I guess it's cool that people like the show enough to be this wound up about it.

Jesus Christ, how many times do I have to say that I'm not taking this seriously. I just want people to put shit that wasn't in the show, that is in the books in spoiler tags.

This is the spoiler-free zone afterall.

True. At this point I would love for someone to give me some spoilers on The Killing so I can stop watching that stupid show.

And I'm at work doing everything possible to actually avoid doing work. o:-)

Sometimes a little back-and-forth can be entertaining.

I actually like the killing more this season than last, but I have no idea why.

At a certain point you have so much time invested, you think "Well shit, might as well see it through." Right?

And then it keeps on being a big ball of nothing. Been there.

It's clearly laid out in the OP what the thread is about. We can talk about the story up until the latest aired episode. Don't see what's so hard to understand. Some people haven't read ALL the books and don't want to go into the other thread.

Get to work, moran!

I'm sure there's something more productive you can be doing for both you and me!

Looked like some kind of demon to me now that you who have read the book have confirmed its a shadow. thanks for the spoiler. :shake:

It's Albert Pujols mojo. Sorry for the spoiler.

I didn't read the book. I wasn't the first person to post about it being a shadow.

I want to be clear that I am 100% against spoilers in this thread.

You talking to me?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...ILr4Pt6F8vKgLn

Shadow, demon, ghost, evil cooch monster... does the definition of what "it" is really matter?

They are depending on the 2012 Pujols mojo? ROFL I need to place some bets on the Starks.

I'm on your side. Calling it a "shadow" isn't exactly giving away much. Although I guess that depends on how much they have gotten or will get into R'hllor. And honestly I don't think I have a very good handle on that religion even after reading the whole series a couple of times.

Yeah, I actually have no problem with people who have read the books better explaining some of the stuff that we've seen so far this season. That's not spoiling anything, it's just heightening my understanding of the world and the characters.

Jaime's not dead, of course he's still going to be in the story. How is that a spoiler?

Calling it a shadow instead of smoke is a spoiler? Really? It's not like they didn't talk about shadows immediately before she gave birth to it or that it really matters whether you call it shadow, smoke or anything else.

And Sansa's boob is a spoiler now too? You guys are getting a little ridiculous. Nobody has posted any spoilers, and the OP clearly invites delving into the books a little to fill in details. There's a lot going on and the show can get confusing. Sometimes adding a little more backstory helps. It's only a spoiler if you give away future events and plots, not if you give a better explanation about something that already happened.

I actually agree about the Jaime one being a spoiler. Not the other ones though.

Lost

Fair enough, I guess I thought I was just stating the obvious about Jaime. He's not dead, he's an extremely valuable hostage, so of course he still has a role in the story. Non-readers will find out what happens to him as the show moves along. I wasn't trying to spoil anything and gave no hints about what happens to him going forward.

I guess my point is that if someone really wants a thread that specifically discusses the show without any mention of the books, even if book discussions are limited to the point where the show is at, then that should probably be a different thread because that is pretty narrow and specific. 90% of the non-readers I know who watch the show like getting a litttle more information and back story filled in by book readers without having to go and actually read the books themselves, and the OP clearly intended for that to happen in this thread if you read the original post. I think the whiners are in the significant minority on this issue (assuming no spoilers for future events are posted). It's not like non-readers can go to the spoiler thread for that type of information because it has spoilers from all the books in it and definitely discusses future events.

I actually didn't think that was a spoiler at all. I haven't read the books and figured Jaime was a big enough character that when/if they do him in, we'll see more of him. For now, he's a prisoner.

For me, a bigger spoiler in this thread was when