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OzarksChiefsFan 02-12-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9396105)
Nick Foles was an Air Raid QB with accuracy issues in college. He had absolutely no understanding of the timing and touch it requires to get that offense working correctly. He just shit crap out of his ass like Matt Cassel does when "everything was covered down field." I thought Foles was a shitty QB coming into the draft and I still think he's a shitty QB.

In the pros, behind a subpar offensive line, he put up putrid stats. Most of those 6 TDs came in garbage time action against teams like the Cowboys.

If we were meeting face-to-face, I would ask you to look me square in the eye and tell me Nick Foles could potentially be a good pro QB. And if you did that without laughing, I'D laugh at you for being a ****ing dumbass.

You clearly haven't watched tape on the guy. He threw for over 4k yards and 28 touchdowns in 2011 while completing almost 70% of his passes. If you had watched as much tape on Foles as I have you would know he is accurate and throws people open. He would have been drafted higher were it not for a poor showing at the Senior bowl. So I'd look you in the eye and tell you your full of @$%#.

HolyHat 02-12-2013 02:21 PM

speaking of Glennon. Did anyone see him in the All-star challenge at the end of Jan? He looked awful. Just awful

RealSNR 02-12-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396740)
Dysert didn't look very accurate at the Senior Bowl and most scouting reports on him mention that he was a first-read, check down guy in college. I'm not that impressed.

I have been a fan of Foles since his first game at AZ (against my Beavers) and you hate him like he ran over your girlfriend and ****ed your dog (or maybe that's the other way around) so we probably aren't going to see this the same way. :)

Dysert's a developmental guy, for sure. Small school spread won't get you very far in the NFL if you're not able to learn and adapt. That's the huge question mark on the kid that nobody seems to knows about. I don't think scouts have done research on that the way they have for Geno Smith.

Arm (which includes release and accuracy) + how well the guy does under pressure are the two things that can get me to like any QB. I see those things from Dysert when I watch youtube game footage (never saw any of his games). I didn't see them from Lindley.

I think Foles has a Tebow arm when it comes to short/intermediate stuff. He DOES appear to have a bigger brain than Tebow, though. If he works through his short/mid-range game well enough, he could be a pretty good QB.

Again, though, that's like saying, "If this WR would just work on his route-running and getting separation from DBs, he'd be a FANTASTIC player." Let's see it happen first.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396687)
I'm curious who we could get in the 3rd round this year that would compare? Just because Foles was a 3rd rounder last year in a very deep QB class doesn't mean he would be a 3rd rounder this year. I think Foles compares very favorably to Nassib and Glennon and those guys are considered late 1st, early 2nd guys.

Dysert.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9396718)
I think Zac Dysert is a far better prospect than Nick Foles is. And we can probably get Dysert in the 3rd if we really want him.

Beat me to it.

As a prospect, Dysert's ceiling is much higher.

Frosty 02-12-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9396768)
Again, though, that's like saying, "If this WR would just work on his route-running and getting separation from DBs, he'd be a FANTASTIC player." Let's see it happen first.

Foles has a good arm and has nice touch and accuracy on the deep passes. I did watch a lot of him with the Eagles last year but can't say I focused on watching his short to intermediate game. He was playing with a lot of back ups, which may have affected his timing.

I agree on waiting to see what happens and am not in favor of using draft picks to get him (unless you could get him by swapping 2nds or something like that) as the Chiefs just have too many needs. In this draft, those 2nds and 3rds are going to be pretty important.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9396734)
Draft Geno.
Sign Hasselbeck.
Keep Stanzi.
Draft a guy in the 6th/7th round.

Order them as need be on the depth chart and cut the worst guy.

:clap::clap::clap:

Frosty 02-12-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396797)
Beat me to it.

As a prospect, Dysert's ceiling is much higher.

LMAO

No one has anyway of knowing that.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9396746)
Idk about you guys but I loved Foles when he came out last year. He was awesome at Arizona, but people didn't know it because his coach and team sucked ass.

Arizona was a top 10 passing team in college and Foles was very accurate. The guy has a rifle too.

Hell I liked him more than Wilson, Assweiler, Weeden and Tannehill.

If there is one guy who is comparable to Joe Flacco, it's this guy. He wasn't inconsistent in college and he isn't a pussy like Glennon.

Awesome?

He did very well in a system that was very QB-friendly. He's limited physically for a spread QB.

I'd say Flacco is a fair comparison, although I'm not sure his upside is Flacco NOW (Super Bowl winner and all).

htismaqe 02-12-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396801)
LMAO

No one has anyway of knowing that.

I think Dysert has considerably more room to grow.

Foles was a guy that seemed "maxed" coming out of college. He is what he is.

Frosty 02-12-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396804)
Awesome?

He did very well in a system that was very QB-friendly. He's limited physically for a spread QB.

I'd say Flacco is a fair comparison, although I'm not sure his upside is Flacco NOW (Super Bowl winner and all).


I see Bledsoe more than Flacco.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396809)
I see Bledsoe more than Flacco.

Foles is limited athletically but he's not THAT limited. :D

htismaqe 02-12-2013 03:02 PM

I do find it rather amazing that the same arguments being used to JUSTIFY trading picks for Foles are being used AGAINST drafting Geno Smith at #1 overall.

Apparently, being a highly-accurate QB in a 1-read offense is okay as long as you are somebody else's castoff...

Frosty 02-12-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396806)
I think Dysert has considerably more room to grow.

Foles was a guy that seemed "maxed" coming out of college. He is what he is.

Foles was being talked about as a possible 1st round guy before he got hurt his Jr year (he got hurt when the team was 7-1 and ranked #16). Then he came back and played on a terrible team with no defense his Sr year. That dropped his stock. The questions about him coming out were if he could play under center and if he was a check down guy. I think he showed well on those concerns during his rookie year with the Eagles.

Dysert is being talked about as a quality back up.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396829)
Dysert is being talked about as a quality back up.


As Foles should be.


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