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ModSocks 04-03-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9554655)
1. It's not surprising that his critique of Barkley is a little better than that of Smith since he gave him a higher grade.

2. Despite that higher grade, he doesn't treat Barkley with kid gloves. You're imagining that. Read these negatives again and tell me where he's making excuses:



3. Doesn't mention arm strength? Go back to 2. and read it again.

4. I don't know why you're trying so hard to see ulterior motives, but it seems to be screwing up your reading ability.

He clearly uses the O-Line as an excuse in his overview. He compares Barkley to DREW BREES while comparing Geno to Akili Smith. What the **** does Geno have in common with Akili Smith? Comparing him to Akili smith is automatically putting the bust tag on him when he shares nothing in common with Akili aside from his last name and skin color.

What the **** has Matt Barkely ever done to draw comparisons to Drew Brees?

Geno got absolutely destroyed in this review, using very harsh verbage. There isn't anything nearly as harsh in Barkley's review.

There is a reason why this review is so heavily debated. But go ahead and pretend that it's a fair analysis. Go ahead and continue white knighting a guy who has already been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports.

notorious 04-03-2013 06:27 PM

We will see if he is proven correct or not in due time.

ModSocks 04-03-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9554722)
There is some reason all the top teams are scrambling to shuffle average journeymen, and there is no smoke at all about anyone interested in moving up. Maybe Nolan has it right.

There are some things that Nolan is right about in his review. And it's a very real possibility that teams don't see Geno as a day 1 starter.

But that's not what this is about. This is about a scathing assault on a guy's character and intelligence. All of which has been refuted by every other reputable source out there.

Judging by his review, you'd think Geno was Jamarcus Russel.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-03-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9554735)
There are some things that Nolan is right about in his review. And it's a very real possibility that teams don't see Geno as a day 1 starter.

But that's not what this is about. This is about a scathing assault on a guy's character and intelligence. All of which has been refuted by every other reputable source out there.

Judging by his review, you'd think Geno was Jamarcus Russel.

They WANT him to be Russel so they can jerk each other off for not putting him at the top of their boards when they first began composing mocks.

Smith should slather his penii in cocoa butter and dick whip every one of those mother****ers!
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patteeu 04-03-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9554687)
Not quick-eyed

OMG, Barkley's got slow eyes too!

It might be the beginning of a pandemic!

Saccopoo 04-03-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9554745)
They WANT him to be Russel so they can jerk each other off for not putting him at the top of their boards when they first began composing mocks.

Smith should slather his penii in cocoa butter and dick whip every one of those mother****ers!
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I'm pretty sure that if Geno drops due to propaganda fuelled agenda filled ****tarded shit like this pencil dick put out, he's going to shove a lot of footballs up a lot of people's asses.

Sorter 04-03-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9554754)
It might be the beginning of a pandemic!

Forest Whitaker's evil plans are coming to fruition, it seems.

ModSocks 04-03-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9554758)
Forest Whitaker's evil plans are coming to fruition, it seems.

Can you explain to us what Geno and Akili have in common?

ModSocks 04-03-2013 06:44 PM

Here's a damning report about Geno's work ethic:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/190936841.html

Green Bay — Too many personal film sessions ran long. When Jake Spavital returned to his office at West Virginia, quarterback Geno Smith was usually camped out watching tape. The quarterbacks coach had no choice but to shag Smith away. The quarterback had class.

So then, Spavital had a solution.

“I got him an iPad so he’d go to class,” said Spavital, who is now at Texas A&M. “And then he’d start watching the iPad tape in class, which causes more distractions.”

A constant need for film paid off. Smith is widely considered the top quarterback prospect in this year's NFL draft class.

Questions dominate the position. Unlike last year, there isn't an Andrew Luck or a Robert Griffin III rampaging into the NFL. West Virginia’s Smith is the headliner and could go as high as No. 1 overall to the Kansas City Chiefs. On Tuesday, Spavital described Smith as the quintessential “film junkie.” Through these last few years, he has coached the record-setting Case Keenum at Houston, Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State and then Smith.

Out of the three, Smith was the most complete quarterback. And while outsiders may have doubts, Spavital believes Smith has a skill-set that will translate to the pros.

To him, the Chiefs have to take Geno Smith first overall.

“I think it’s a no-brainer to take the first quarterback overall,” he said. “I’ve been around some pretty good ones and I’ve never seen a guy that’s this complete as a quarterback. And he’s hungry.”

On that iPad, Smith watched every snap of Aaron Rodgers’ season in 2011. Sometimes, Spavital joined him but usually Smith watched the Packers quarterback on his own. The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder began mimicking Rodgers’ play-action tendencies. The Packers and Mountaineers run a handful of similar formations. In the split-back, play-action game, Smith noticed that Rodgers rides a prolonged fake to the running back to protect himself longer in the pocket.

So he started doing the same thing at West Virginia.

Same story with Drew Brees. Smith liked how Brees pump-faked the opposite direction before throwing screen passes to backs, so he picked that habit up, too.

“He studies it,” Spavital said. “With Brandon Weeden, I couldn’t say that about him. I love the guy to death but he had some good guys around him. Brandon knew how to get the ball to those guys. There were times at West Virginia when (Smith) had to create things.”

All three quarterbacks Spavital coached were very different. He said Keenum had the quickest release of the three but didn’t measure up physically. Weeden had the “strongest arm” but also benefited from a strong supporting cast.

Smith was the best overall player. Neither Weeden or Keenum were quite the student of the game, too.

“He could do it all,” Spavital said. “He could be under center. He can throw out of the shotgun. He can throw comebacks. He can pull it and run when he needs to. We got to do some pretty good stuff with Geno because he was such a good student of the game and we could do anything with him. ... He impresses me a lot with the things that he can do — how he operates the game, how he studies. He would actually sit there and bring ideas to the table. There were times when we let him check 80% of the game. We put a lot on him and he’s capable of doing that."

Smith finished the 2012 season with 4,205 passing yards, 42 touchdowns and only six interceptions. At times, he was video-game efficient.

In a 70-63 win over Baylor, Smith was a mind-boggling 45 of 51 for 656 yards with eight touchdowns and no picks. The next week — surrounded by 100,000-plus at Texas — he led West Virginia to a 48-45 win. And when Smith couldn't feel his hands in a frigid win over Iowa State, he pretended to do play-action fakes in the screen game to get a better grip on the ball.

Said Spavital, "He knows how to think on his feet and be creative with things.”

But there was also that whole five-game losing streak in the middle of the season. Smith's early grip on the Heisman Trophy slipped away and the Mountaineers’ season ended with a thud against Syracuse when Smith was less than impressive. Spavital admits Smith didn't have enough touch on his deep ball as a junior, but said the mid-season struggles in 2012 were a reflection of coaches asking him to do too much more than Smith himself.

Overall, an attention to detail fed Smith's growth and he mostly shed any potential "system quarterback" label. Smith operated in the shotgun and under center. Immediately after each home game, Smith and Spavital watched a replay of the full game together. Smith cleaned up, grabbed food and brought it to his coach's office. He needed to see it while it was fresh in his mind.

From there, Spavital said the quarterback would watch that Saturday's game “four or five times” before their next meeting together.

At the NFL scouting combine, Smith now has a chance to cash in.

“There are those guys that are ‘what can football do for me?’ He’s ‘what can I do for football,’” Spavital said. “That’s how he approaches it. You take the game away from him and he’s got nothing.”

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-03-2013 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9554757)
I'm pretty sure that if Geno drops due to propaganda fuelled agenda filled ****tarded shit like this pencil dick put out, he's going to shove a lot of footballs up a lot of people's asses.

I agree. Russell, this man is NOT. ****ing idiots.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 04-03-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9554758)
Forest Whitaker's evil plans are coming to fruition, it seems.

Yeah, and Eric Clapton really had a "slow hand"!
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patteeu 04-03-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9554728)
He clearly uses the O-Line as an excuse in his overview. He compares Barkley to DREW BREES while comparing Geno to Akili Smith. What the **** does Geno have in common with Akili Smith? Comparing him to Akili smith is automatically putting the bust tag on him when he shares nothing in common with Akili aside from his last name and skin color.

What the **** has Matt Barkely ever done to draw comparisons to Drew Brees?

Geno got absolutely destroyed in this review, using very harsh verbage. There isn't anything nearly as harsh in Barkley's review.

There is a reason why this review is so heavily debated. But go ahead and pretend that it's a fair analysis. Go ahead and continue white knighting a guy who has already been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports.

He hasn't been proven to be disingenuous in his scouting reports. Please stop making things up.

Both Geno and Akili are about the same height. Both Geno and Akili were throwers not runners. Speaking of disingenuous, it's disingenuous for you to say that the only thing they had in common was a last name and skin color.

I get it. You don't like this guy's opinion of Geno Christ, but that doesn't make him a racist. No one should be surprised if he ends up being right about Geno and Barkley. He's been right about both Cam and RGIII so far.

RealSNR 04-03-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9554699)
Funny thing is Mayock has always been taken as the best TV guy around here. Until now.

Since when? Mayock's the chode muncher who always mocks us LTs.

He gave us Monroe, Okung, and Bulaga three ****ing years in a row. I don't know ANYBODY on here who has ever liked what he's said about the Chiefs and the draft.

Oh, and whaddaya know? Before the Alex Smith trade was announced, he was all about Joeckel coming here. Before he knew what the **** Albert was up to at all and when Winston was still a Chief. Joeckel Joeckel Joeckel was his thing.

During combine coverage they put up a screen shot of Chiefs #1 needs, which included QB, CB, and ILB or something like that. He looked at that and even said, "WHAT THE **** IS THIS? OFFENSIVE LINE, GOD DAMN IT! HERE, LET ME WRITE IT OUT FOR YOU *writes out OL with the yellow pen* SEE? OFFENSIVE. LINE. JESUS ****!"

RealSNR 04-03-2013 07:14 PM

Mayock never met a fatty at the beginning of the first round that he didn't like. It's like he's got a fetish for watching fat guys get paid lots of money in midwestern cities.

Either that or Branden Albert raped his entire family. Or both.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-03-2013 07:21 PM

I pray for the latter.
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