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siberian khatru 11-18-2012 01:24 PM

Sam Mellinger ‏@mellinger
If you didn't know any better and just showed up at Arrowhead and looked at the crowd, you'd think the home team's color is black.

chiefzilla1501 11-18-2012 01:29 PM

I think anybody who had a negative experience from security for expressing free speech in a harmless manner should write a respectful letter to Clark Hunt. Every single one of you.

If Hunt is going to claim he's listening to fan letters, even angry ones, time to put his money where his mouth is. If he's going to refund season tickets, he should refund anyone who got booted for expressing free speech.

kcpasco 11-18-2012 01:31 PM

Omaha Omaha
What does it mean?

ghak99 11-18-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9129086)
Omaha Omaha
What does it mean?

I've always translated it as "I suck, I suck" :shrug:

Cannibal 11-18-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9129086)
Omaha Omaha
What does it mean?

It means matt cassel sucks gigantic cocks

Dave Lane 11-18-2012 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9129003)
Sam Mellinger ‏@mellinger
If you didn't know any better and just showed up at Arrowhead and looked at the crowd, you'd think the home team's color is black.

****ing awesome. Its what I saw in the parking lots all day when handing out the flyers

Rausch 11-18-2012 01:42 PM

OUR VOICE WILL BE HEARD!

Bugeater 11-18-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9128811)
It's a privately owned venue. There is no freedom of speech.

This. I'm surprised at the number of people who do not understand what "freedom of speech" does and does not protect them from.

Rausch 11-18-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9129201)
This. I'm surprised at the number of people who do not understand what "freedom of speech" does and does not protect them from.

Bring litigation against us all...

siberian khatru 11-18-2012 01:51 PM

I guess nobody bothered to read the link I posted. Here's an excerpt:

The debate, like most sports law arguments, is nuanced and complex. Classic public forum free-speech issues, for example, would generally not be applicable at privately owned facilities hosting games, like college basketball games at private universities. Privately owned teams can also contend that a fan’s purchase of a ticket is in fact a contract with the team to conform to a code of conduct, which could include a prohibition on excessive yelling at the officials. But many stadiums and arenas constructed with some public financing, or built on state land or land operated by a municipal authority, could be viewed as public entities. In that setting, a government cannot force citizens to surrender constitutional rights like free speech.

There is some leeway, but where is the line drawn, and on which side does a fan yelling at a referee stand?

“It is an interesting question, and we don’t have an exemplary test case that settles every aspect,” said Scott Rosner, a sports business and law professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. “But traditionally, courts have come down on the side that free speech at a sporting event has limits. It is a right that is revocable — maybe because the few fans that come before courts have really overdone it.”

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But the legal precedents for those interpretations are hard to come by, perhaps for two contrasting reasons, lawyers said. Fans who might have good cases for seemingly unjust ejections are rarely arrested; they are only removed from the event. They may be upset afterward but not aggrieved enough to follow through with a lengthy lawsuit. The other reason is that when a fan does file a civil suit over an ejection, it is almost always settled before a trial because team owners and arena owners fear a landmark case establishing fans’ rights.

“Imagine if a higher court took on such a case?” said Mark Conrad, an associate professor of sports law at Fordham University’s School of Business. “Facility owners would be quaking over anything like that because it could open the floodgates.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/sp...l?pagewanted=2

Is there anything written on the back of the tickets, or any signs posted in the parking lot, that prohibit handing out literature or anything like that?

Valiant 11-18-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9128943)
The Chiefs aren't the only team that dictates what signs are allowed. The entire NFL does it. They may pick their battles, but ultimately they decide what shit they will put up with.

I'm sure they've covered their legal bases on the issue.

You might feel its bullshit. But there is no protected right to express yourself in a private building.

Yes, signs, because they say they will disrupt others viewing..

They cannot kick you out on a tshirt that has no vulgarity.. If they do, you take them to court for your ticket costs, parking and triple damages.. and looking at the other article posted, that is the case across the board for people being unjustly removed that were not disrupting other fans..

DaFace 11-18-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9129234)
I guess nobody bothered to read the link I posted. Here's an excerpt:

The debate, like most sports law arguments, is nuanced and complex. Classic public forum free-speech issues, for example, would generally not be applicable at privately owned facilities hosting games, like college basketball games at private universities. Privately owned teams can also contend that a fan’s purchase of a ticket is in fact a contract with the team to conform to a code of conduct, which could include a prohibition on excessive yelling at the officials. But many stadiums and arenas constructed with some public financing, or built on state land or land operated by a municipal authority, could be viewed as public entities. In that setting, a government cannot force citizens to surrender constitutional rights like free speech.

There is some leeway, but where is the line drawn, and on which side does a fan yelling at a referee stand?

“It is an interesting question, and we don’t have an exemplary test case that settles every aspect,” said Scott Rosner, a sports business and law professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. “But traditionally, courts have come down on the side that free speech at a sporting event has limits. It is a right that is revocable — maybe because the few fans that come before courts have really overdone it.”

......

But the legal precedents for those interpretations are hard to come by, perhaps for two contrasting reasons, lawyers said. Fans who might have good cases for seemingly unjust ejections are rarely arrested; they are only removed from the event. They may be upset afterward but not aggrieved enough to follow through with a lengthy lawsuit. The other reason is that when a fan does file a civil suit over an ejection, it is almost always settled before a trial because team owners and arena owners fear a landmark case establishing fans’ rights.

“Imagine if a higher court took on such a case?” said Mark Conrad, an associate professor of sports law at Fordham University’s School of Business. “Facility owners would be quaking over anything like that because it could open the floodgates.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/sp...l?pagewanted=2

Is there anything written on the back of the tickets, or any signs posted in the parking lot, that prohibit handing out literature or anything like that?

Good to know, though I doubt anything changes here. I think the best we can hope for is that the media makes a stink about it.

siberian khatru 11-18-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9129364)
Good to know, though I doubt anything changes here. I think the best we can hope for is that the media makes a stink about it.

Agreed

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9128376)
I'm seeing some black shirts out there, but not as many as I would have hoped for. Although, the stadium really does look half empty

That's what my old man reported as well, from the tv perspective anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9128308)
@Jason_Madson: Just spoke with a security person at Arrowhead. If you're found with a Fire Pioli sign, you're kicked out. #Chiefs

It's time to ass-rape that worthless, scungilli-eating ****stick.

Chief77 11-18-2012 06:00 PM

If todays blackout Arrowhead day helps to really kick start the end of Pioli, I would love to see one of those Blackout hoodies in one of the stadium glass displays. It was an awesome effort by fans to organize today, and hopefully wake up Mr. Hunt before its too late.


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