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gblowfish 02-02-2013 04:54 PM

Will Shields Denied HOF
 
Didn't make the cut.
Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen still under consideration.

Curley Culp still under consideration.

Damn. That sucks.

gblowfish 02-02-2013 04:57 PM

NFL Network is now announcing the list of 2013 inductees right now.

BigMeatballDave 02-02-2013 04:58 PM

Shocking

gblowfish 02-02-2013 04:59 PM

Here's the list of who made it:
Larry Allen
Cris Carter
Curley Culp
Jonathan Ogden
Bill Parcells
Dave Robinson
Warren Sapp.

So Curley made it!

gblowfish 02-02-2013 05:00 PM

Chiefs Defense Guys in the HOF from Super Bowl IV:

Buck Buchanan
Curley Culp
Bobby Bell
Willie Lanier
Emmitt Thomas

Now need to get Johnny Robinson in there.

BigMeatballDave 02-02-2013 05:16 PM

I'd like to know how Ogden deserved it over Shields.

mnchiefsguy 02-02-2013 05:16 PM

Too bad for Shields. One of the classiest to ever play. Hopefully he will get in next year.

BigMeatballDave 02-02-2013 05:19 PM

I suppose inducting 2 Chiefs at the same time wasn't going to happen.

bevischief 02-02-2013 05:22 PM

Damn.

DaKCMan AP 02-02-2013 05:22 PM

Pretty similar resumes. Two get in on the first ballot. The other gets denied twice.

Will Shields - 14 seasons
12 Pro Bowls
8 All-Pro
Walter Payton Man of the Year
NFL 2000's All-Decade Team


Jonathan Ogden - 12 seasons
11 Pro Bowls
9 All-Pro
SB Champ
NFL 2000s All-Decade

Larry Allen - 14 seasons
11 Pro Bowls
7 All-Pro
SB Champ
NFL 1990s & 2000s All-Decade

BigMeatballDave 02-02-2013 05:25 PM

Also, Shields only missed ONE start in his career. During his rookie year.

Ogden missed a lot more.

Three7s 02-02-2013 05:25 PM

All about the SB, I'm afraid.

Can Sapp even afford to make the trip to Canton? I'm hearing that he's darn near bankrupt.

alpha_omega 02-02-2013 05:27 PM

Booooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Goldmember 02-02-2013 05:30 PM

Two offensive lineman going in this year might hurt Shields' chances next year.

BigMeatballDave 02-02-2013 05:30 PM

How the **** does Sapp get in on first year of eligibility?

mcaj22 02-02-2013 05:31 PM

is SB really the make or break for these guys that vote, come on lol

Goldmember 02-02-2013 05:32 PM

He's on TV a lot

htismaqe 02-02-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9373146)
Pretty similar resumes. Two get in on the first ballot. The other gets denied twice.

Will Shields - 14 seasons
12 Pro Bowls
8 All-Pro
Walter Payton Man of the Year
NFL 2000's All-Decade Team


Jonathan Ogden - 12 seasons
11 Pro Bowls
9 All-Pro
SB Champ
NFL 2000s All-Decade

Larry Allen - 14 seasons
11 Pro Bowls
7 All-Pro
SB Champ
NFL 1990s & 2000s All-Decade

2 of them have SB rings. It sucks for Shields but that's what put Ogden and Allen over the top.

DaKCMan AP 02-02-2013 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9373179)
2 of them have SB rings. It sucks for Shields but that's what put Ogden and Allen over the top.

That's the difference, it appears, but it's stupid. If you put Shields on the one SB team instead of Allen, do you think the result is different?

Deberg_1990 02-02-2013 05:34 PM

Guys who play Guard who didnt play in Super Bowls dont go into the Hall much im guessing......

htismaqe 02-02-2013 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9373176)
is SB really the make or break for these guys that vote, come on lol

How many of us sit here and say "I don't want to make the playoffs I want to win it all"?

Think about it for a minute. Shields played all those years and the only playoff wins he got were in his rookie year. He played the rest of his career without a single playoff win.

Goldmember 02-02-2013 05:34 PM

Sure, when all else seems similar, they need a tie breaker. However, Shields should have been in instead of either Ogden or Allen. They could have waited.

Deberg_1990 02-02-2013 05:39 PM

There has long been a Hall bias against guys who didnt play in Super Bowls and defensive players. It is what it is....

houstonwhodat 02-02-2013 05:43 PM

I was hoping Chris Carter never got in.

Hear a real ass to everyone.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-02-2013 05:47 PM

reerunedly, Ogden got in because he played on a SB winner. I never got the Ogden hype. I saw Freeney whip his cock ring off, the same Freeney that Roaf owned so thoroughly Dwight could have called him The Plantation.

Sapp was a HOF player, but he was a first ballot HOF because he ran his mouth. ****, I hate all major sports HOFs. Baseball is ruined by pious octogenarians who cum dust, a person can get in to the Basketball HOF for hitting a Free Throw during a halftime contest, and football's awards decent players on elite teams moreso than any other, even baseball.

siberian khatru 02-02-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9373214)
I saw Freeney whip his cock ring off, the same Freeney that Roaf owned so thoroughly Dwight could have called him The Plantation.

LMAO

Deberg_1990 02-02-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9373214)
Sapp was a HOF player, but he was a first ballot HOF because he ran his mouth..

Yea, Sapp is buddies with all the RIGHT people in the media. Same reason that Ray Lewis gets overhyped.

Caseyguyrr 02-02-2013 05:50 PM

****ing shit goddammit cocksucking sons of bitches

gblowfish 02-02-2013 06:19 PM

If anything, Ed Budde was arguably a better guard than Shields; he IS a super bowl champ, and he's been passed over for 30 years. He should be in, as well as Otis Taylor.

Taylor is the biggest travesty. His snub is as bad as Buck O'Neil not being in Cooperstown.

houstonwhodat 02-02-2013 06:20 PM

Parcells got in.

ChiefsCountry 02-02-2013 06:22 PM

How in the hell does Curly Culp get in before Otis Taylor? Biggest shame among Chief players is no Otis Taylor.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-02-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9373282)
Parcells got in.

Most overrated man in NFL history.

RyFo18 02-02-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9373285)
How in the hell does Curly Culp get in before Otis Taylor? Biggest shame among Chief players is no Otis Taylor.

First nose tackle ever. Revolutionary maybe?

chefsos 02-02-2013 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9373287)
First nose tackle ever. Revolutionary maybe?

That's my guess. He went to Houston with that 34 and crushed souls for a few years.

Meanwhile, ****ing Matuszak came here and...left.

ku_jhawk23 02-02-2013 06:47 PM

I really don't have a problem with Allen and Ogden getting in over Shields since they were at the same time. Allen was always considered slightly above Shields as a guard, and Ogden was a tackle. Tackles are always considered better than guards. My problem with this vote is Sapp. Sapp was good, but Sapp wasn't 1st ballot great. Bettis, Shields and Haley (especially Haley) should be in before him. It's a joke that being a loudmouth talking piece for ESPN now gets you in the hall before others more deserving.

And dont get me started on his qualifications for a judge on BBQ Pitmasters.

DaKCMan AP 02-02-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 9373326)
I really don't have a problem with Allen and Ogden getting in over Shields since they were at the same time. Allen was always considered slightly above Shields as a guard, and Ogden was a tackle. Tackles are always considered better than guards. My problem with this vote is Sapp. Sapp was good, but Sapp wasn't 1st ballot great. Bettis, Shields and Haley (especially Haley) should be in before him. It's a joke that being a loudmouth talking piece for ESPN now gets you in the hall before others more deserving.

And dont get me started on his qualifications for a judge on BBQ Pitmasters.

You lost me at Bettis. Really, Bettis? :shake:

ku_jhawk23 02-02-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9373341)
You lost me at Bettis. Really, Bettis? :shake:

Bettis was considered to be a top 5 RB in the league for about 8 years. Name others that aren't in the HOF that hold that position.

CoMoChief 02-02-2013 07:57 PM

**** Sapp......he's not one of the best EVER to play his position ...at least enough that would warrant induction on his first time being eligible.

Prison Bitch 02-02-2013 08:11 PM

Who is Curley culp and have even 5 people on this board seen him play?

gblowfish 02-02-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9373429)
Who is Curley culp and have even 5 people on this board seen him play?

He was the DT who lined up next to Buck Buchanan during the Chiefs 1960's glory years.

I saw his entire Chiefs career.

He was a bad ass. Like Raji for Green Bay, only squatter, and much quicker. He was an NCAA Wrestling Champion at Arizona State, and a total bad-ass.

You should pray that Dontari Poe becomes half the player Curley Culp was.

DaKCMan AP 02-02-2013 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 9373362)
Bettis was considered to be a top 5 RB in the league for about 8 years. Name others that aren't in the HOF that hold that position.

No.

Bettis only finished top-5 in rushing 3 times in his 13 year career. The last 5 years his highest finish was 17th.

His career yards per carry average is 3.9. That's not HOF, that's mediocre.

milkman 02-02-2013 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9373429)
Who is Curley culp and have even 5 people on this board seen him play?

Curly was beast.

He could not blocked, and is big reason Buck Buchanon made such a big impact.

milkman 02-02-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9373443)
No.

Bettis only finished top-5 in rushing 3 times in his 13 year career. The last 5 years his highest finish was 17th.

His career yards per carry average is 3.9. That's not HOF, that's mediocre.

Eddie Georged his way into the hall.

houstonwhodat 02-02-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9373429)
Who is Curley culp and have even 5 people on this board seen him play?



I did.

Easy 6 02-02-2013 08:58 PM

Will Shields will get there sooner rather than later, i have to believe that, i would take him over Allen eight days a week, he wasnt a huge grizzly bear but his superb technique allowed him to dominate much bigger men, a fact that should have been recognized by the Hall.

His only flaw was being unlucky enough to play for a lot of bad to solid but inherently flawed Chiefs teams that were never nearly as glamorous and hyped as "Merica's" favorite team.

The most important thing is that WE know what a dominant blessing of a rock he was in KC.

Sapp? cant really say what hasnt already been said, it is completely undeserved at this point.

Bettis? i gotta admit it, i'm a HUGE fan... LOVE the way he played ball, LOVED the fact that he was such a classy, team guy every step of the way. I totally disagree with the Eddie George comparison, he NEVER took a defenses heart and fired up his team in the same way as Bettis, not even CLOSE. Jerome routinely CRUSHED other teams star defenders, clowned them... yeah, you can argue some of the stats against other guys... but Bettis deserves to be there, he was a genuine force his entire career and was always pure class.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-02-2013 09:57 PM

My thoughts on Bettis were detailed years ago:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ghlight=Bettis

Al Bundy 02-02-2013 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9373172)
How the **** does Sapp get in on first year of eligibility?

Uhhmm because he was the best at his position for a generation of NFL. You think "Tampa 2 defense", you think Sapp, Brooks or Barber.


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