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Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 11:51 AM

Bill Williamson's AFC West wrap-up + All AFC West team
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...d-what-will-be

Five things to know and my all-division team.

Division MVP: This is not difficult: Denver quarterback Peyton Manning. There is a strong chance Manning will win his fifth NFL MVP award in his first season with Denver. His biggest competition is likely Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson. Manning has far surpassed expectations with the Broncos. Manning, 36, has not shown any signs of slowing after enduring a neck injury that kept him from playing all of last season with the Colts. He has spearheaded a 10-game win streak for the Broncos, who are 12-3 and have a chance to be the No. 1 seed in the AFC playoffs. Manning has gotten better as the season has progressed, and he's having one of his best seasons in the NFL. This was a franchise-changing signing.

Biggest disappointment: It has to be Kansas City. The Chiefs were expected to be competitive and many folks (including myself) picked them to win the division. Yet Kansas City is 2-13 and on pace for the No. 1 pick in April's draft. The biggest issues were terrible quarterback play by Matt Cassel and his replacement, Brady Quinn, and questionable coaching. The result of the disappointment will likely be a clean sweep of the team’s brass and the search for a new quarterback.

Coaching searches about to commence: We all expected the Chargers to give the gate to coach Norv Turner and general manager A.J. Smith last year. Now that San Diego will miss the playoffs for the third straight year, both Turner and Smith are expected to be gone. And in the division, they may not be alone. Chances are strong Kansas City general manager Scot Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel will both pay for the Chiefs’ failures with their jobs. While Dennis Allen is probably safe in Oakland, there are no guarantees, and there could be big changes in store to his staff. So, January will be a busy month in the AFC West with at least half the division undertaking huge leadership makeovers.

Rivers has to be focus in San Diego: Philip Rivers, who turned 31 this month, is ending his second straight disappointing season and is no longer considered an elite quarterback. Still, he must be the centerpiece of the changes in San Diego. Rivers still has several years left and he can still help the Chargers win. But he needs help, and the new San Diego leadership must make it a priority to build around Rivers in an attempt to fix him and utilize him moving forward.

Help is on the way: The Broncos have won 12 games and the three other teams in the division have won 12 games ... combined. But there will be a payoff in the draft. The Chiefs are in line for the No. 1 pick, the Raiders are angling for the No. 3 pick and the Chargers are on pace to select 10th. Thus the draft season will be of supreme importance for this division. The Chiefs need a quarterback, but there are no top choices, so Kansas City may have to take a defensive gem in a top-heavy defensive class. Oakland has big defensive needs and will score a top defensive player, and the Chargers will be on the hunt for offensive line help early on. Expect us to heavily focus on the April draft in the coming months since no division in the NFL will be better represented at the top of the draft.

And now we present our 2012 AFC West team. A few notes before we get to the list.

I used a 3-4 defense because half of the division (Kansas City and San Diego) uses it as a base defense and I thought the linebackers were stronger, so I wanted to recognize four of them. This list features the best players at the position, so I used two left tackles instead of forcing a right tackle, etc. I did use a fullback, Oakland’s Marcel Reece, because I thought he was deserving of recognition.

The 26-man team features 13 Broncos. Excessive? Well, considering the 12-3 Broncos have accounted for half of the AFC West’s wins this season, it is fitting.

On to the list. I’m sure you’ll have a lot to say in the comments section below.

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Rain Man 12-28-2012 11:58 AM

The defense is missing Justin Houston, Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and pro bowl safety Eric Berry. They also whiffed on pro bowl punter Dustin Colquitt.

htismaqe 12-28-2012 11:58 AM

What defensive gem? There's only ONE and we already have plenty of picks spent on the line.

Ebolapox 12-28-2012 12:04 PM

wow, that all-afc west team is ****ing pathetic. 12 broncos? hilarious.

Ceej 12-28-2012 12:08 PM

And we are supposed to give a damn about this because why?

RealSNR 12-28-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245916)
What defensive gem? There's only ONE and we already have plenty of picks spent on the line.

Yeah. That made me chuckle too.

"I've been told there are no good QBs, so that must mean there are other positions that the Chiefs should grab an elite player in. They could easily take a DT to eat up blockers in their 3-4 alignment, or they could take a guard or OT to help protect a veteran QB. I mean, they must give up sacks all the time, right? Gotta do the draft value thing. Don't take the QB!"

Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9245946)
And we are supposed to give a damn about this because why?

Well, it is a summary of the AFC West and I thought his choices for his all AFC West team would be something you might want to look at and or bitch about.

BlackHelicopters 12-28-2012 12:18 PM

Williamson vs. Whitlock in a buffet death match.

Ceej 12-28-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9245984)
Well, it is a summary of the AFC West and I thought his choices for his all AFC West team would be something you might want to look at and or bitch about.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the large amount of Broncos he appointed to All AFCW.

Seriously...

You should stick to call of duty threads in the media center only.

CoMoChief 12-28-2012 12:28 PM

That Broncos team is a 4 win team (maybe) without Manning.

That's how good that mother f'r is. Thanks Pioli for being a tard that no one wants to play for.

Rain Man 12-28-2012 12:29 PM

We had the most pro bowlers in the division, with half the division's representation. We should have 12 guys on this squad, in which case I'd go with Charles, Colquitt, DJohnson, Houston, Flowers, Hali, Berry, Asamoah, Winston, Bowe, Succop, and Patrick DiMarco.

Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246049)
We had the most pro bowlers in the division, with half the division's representation. We should have 12 guys on this squad, in which case I'd go with Charles, Colquitt, DJohnson, Houston, Flowers, Hali, Berry, Asamoah, Winston, Bowe, Succop, and Patrick DiMarco.



Who in the hell is Patrick Dimarco? LMAO

Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9246045)
That Broncos team is a 4 win team (maybe) without Manning.

That's how good that mother f'r is. Thanks Pioli for being a tard that no one wants to play for.

We won 8 games without him last year and added a bunch of new pieces.

Rain Man 12-28-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9246052)
Who in the hell is Patrick Dimarco? LMAO

You'll find out on Sunday. Tell your linebackers to buckle their chin straps.

ChiTown 12-28-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246061)
You'll find out on Sunday. Tell your linebackers to buckle their chin straps.

ROFL

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-28-2012 01:09 PM

Another retart figured out how to use a keyboard. Just great.

Ebolapox 12-28-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9246052)
Who in the hell is Patrick Dimarco? LMAO

you know what's hilarious about that post? that's EXACTLY what your posts look like to us.

RealSNR 12-28-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9246147)
you know what's hilarious about that post? that's EXACTLY what your posts look like to us.

No way dude. Chris Harris, like once had this, like, awesome INT against the Jaguars. It was so cool and he's clearly like, awesome.

Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9246193)
No way dude. Chris Harris, like once had this, like, awesome INT against the Jaguars. It was so cool and he's clearly like, awesome.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9...dsfgsdfgsd.png

Rain Man 12-28-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9246225)


Any cornerback looks good when you're playing with a lead and have a pass rush. Peyton Manning should be the cornerback you're touting.

Saccopoo 12-28-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9245915)
The defense is missing Justin Houston, Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and pro bowl safety Eric Berry. They also whiffed on pro bowl punter Dustin Colquitt.

Houston over Hali, not both.

Bailey has been getting "Pro Bowl/All Pro" nods for four years too long. Flowers is substantially better at this point.

Weddle and Branch were better than Berry.

Colquitt should have easily been the nod. His numbers, like every year, are amazing.

Chief_For_Life58 12-28-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246049)
We had the most pro bowlers in the division, with half the division's representation. We should have 12 guys on this squad, in which case I'd go with Charles, Colquitt, DJohnson, Houston, Flowers, Hali, Berry, Asamoah, Winston, Bowe, Succop, and Patrick DiMarco.

lol what the **** are you smoking

Rain Man 12-28-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9246232)
lol what the **** are you smoking

Since the election, the air here is somewhat tainted.

Quesadilla Joe 12-28-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246227)
Any cornerback looks good when you're playing with a lead and have a pass rush. Peyton Manning should be the cornerback you're touting.

I agree that playing with a lead and having a pass rush makes corners look better, but Chris Harris is a good young corner who can cover and is a sure tackler. He is a young Antoine Winfield.

Deberg_1990 12-28-2012 02:01 PM

Very curious about Rivers. Can he be the QB he was from 2006 to 2010 again? Or is he washed up?
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whoman69 12-28-2012 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9245938)
wow, that all-afc west team is ****ing pathetic. 12 broncos? hilarious.

Considering they won as many games as the rest of the division combined, don't see how you argue.

Codered 12-28-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 9246385)
Considering they won as many games as the rest of the division combined, don't see how you argue.

Pretty much what I was thinking. I mean you can make an arguement for a few changes, but there is no doubt that most of the AFCW played like crap this year.

Rain Man 12-28-2012 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 9246385)
Considering they won as many games as the rest of the division combined, don't see how you argue.

Whose side are you on?

Chiefs=Champions 12-28-2012 06:31 PM

Does this make you feel better about the Pro Bowl?

Chiefs=Champions 12-28-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9246242)
I agree that playing with a lead and having a pass rush makes corners look better, but Chris Harris is a good young corner who can cover and is a sure tackler. He is a young Antoine Winfield.

Sounds like a poor mans Flowers.

RealSNR 12-28-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9246242)
I agree that playing with a lead and having a pass rush makes corners look better, but Chris Harris is a good young corner who can cover and is a sure tackler. He is a young Antoine Winfield.

Nobody cares or knows who the **** he is, still.

He may as well be Patrick DiMarco.

Rain Man 12-28-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9246806)
Nobody cares or knows who the **** he is, still.

He may as well be Patrick DiMarco.


He's no Patrick DiMarco. Patrick DiMarco is going to bury him on a sweep like Krushchev at Disneyland.

MagicHef 12-28-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246836)
He's no Patrick DiMarco. Patrick DiMarco is going to bury him on a sweep like Krushchev at Disneyland.

Harris will be forced to tour Los Angeles housing?

Buckweath 12-28-2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 9246385)
Considering they won as many games as the rest of the division combined, don't see how you argue.

The broncos won that many games in large part because of manning. THe rest of their team I dont even think is better than the Chiefs Despite the records.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9246955)
The broncos won that many games in large part because of manning. THe rest of their team I dont even think is better than the Chiefs Despite the records.

:rolleyes:

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9246989)
:rolleyes:

He's not completely wrong. Donkeys are lucky to be 8-8 without him.

6 of your wins are vs 3 shitty AFCW teams.

ClevelandBronco 12-28-2012 08:31 PM

Seems about right. 13 Broncos, 13 rest-of-the-AFC-West guys.

Kind like the Broncos have 12 wins and the rest of the teams in the division have 12 combined wins.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9247001)
He's not completely wrong. Donkeys are lucky to be 8-8 without him.

6 of your wins are vs 3 shitty AFCW teams.

The Broncos went 8-8 with Tim Tebow at QB and won a playoff game with TT. But whatever.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247019)
The Broncos went 8-8 with Tim Tebow at QB and won a playoff game with TT. But whatever.

Aided by several fluke wins.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9246061)
You'll find out on Sunday. Tell your linebackers to buckle their chin straps.

That soft bitch defense wants no part of him or anyone running the ball on them. All they want to do is pin their ears back and rush the passer.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9247049)
Aided by several fluke wins.

the Broncos defense played well considering the lack of offense and kept the Broncos in games. Also, you gotta credit the oline too. Everyone knew the Broncos were gonna run the ball yet the Broncos still had the #1 rushing attack.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 08:54 PM

What are you smoking? They got raped by EVERY legitimate offense they faced last year. They have been better this year.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9247057)
What are you smoking? They got raped by EVERY legitimate offense they faced last year. They have been better this year.

speaking of being raped, you all ready for this coming Sunday, sweety pie? ROFL

Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 09:12 PM

Yeah, and it means a decade of rape from Chocolate Penii in the future for the boys from Pile High. I'm looking forward to that 14th L.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247068)
speaking of being raped, you all ready for this coming Sunday, sweety pie? ROFL

Have you been under a rock?

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9247087)
Have you been under a rock?

no, I'm well aware of how bad your team sucks.

Rain Man 12-28-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247068)
speaking of being raped, you all ready for this coming Sunday, sweety pie? ROFL

It's not rape if we enjoy it and consent to it.

Buckweath 12-28-2012 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247019)
The Broncos went 8-8 with Tim Tebow at QB and won a playoff game with TT. But whatever.

The chiefs went 7-9 last year with no Charles, berry and moeaki and with that same Cassell. See my point?

Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 09:48 PM

Falco was the only thing that even allowed that fraud team to get in the playoffs in the first place.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9247183)
The chiefs went 7-9 last year with no Charles, berry and moeaki and with that same Cassell. See my point?

no. KC did not win a playoff game. In fact, get back to me the next time kc does win a playoff game. kthnx.

Tombstone RJ 12-28-2012 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9247175)
It's not rape if we enjoy it and consent to it.

:clap:

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247197)
no. KC did not win a playoff game. In fact, get back to me the next time kc does win a playoff game. kthnx.

OH NOES!1! FRESH PLAYOFF SMAQ!

ORIGINAL MATERIAL RIGHT HERE!

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247098)
no, I'm well aware of how bad your team sucks.

Seriously?

"You Suck" smaq?

Ebolapox 12-28-2012 10:30 PM

haha, wrong thread.

RealSNR 12-28-2012 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9247068)
speaking of being raped, you all ready for this coming Sunday, sweety pie? ROFL

If you strike us down, we shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

Garcia Bronco 12-28-2012 10:59 PM

Bronco Defense was awesome last year...and look we're awesome again.

MagicHef 12-28-2012 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9247291)
If you strike us down, we shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

Best 2-14 team ever.

Buckweath 12-28-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9247391)
Bronco Defense was awesome last year...and look we're awesome again.

The chiefs rushing game raped the broncos D in week 12, business as usual. Cant wait till we have that Geno Smith that will rape those broncos for the next ten years.

listopencil 12-28-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9247485)
The chiefs rushing game raped the broncos D in week 12, business as usual. Cant wait till we have that Geno Smith that will rape those broncos for the next ten years.

3-3-5

ClevelandBronco 12-28-2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9247485)
The chiefs rushing game raped the broncos D in week 12, business as usual. Cant wait till we have that Geno Smith that will rape those broncos for the next ten years.

Settle down, Pepsi. You don't get to say "we."

Garcia Bronco 12-28-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9247485)
The chiefs rushing game raped the broncos D in week 12, business as usual. Cant wait till we have that Geno Smith that will rape those broncos for the next ten years.

Sure. Its a tough running game and a good defense for the Chiefs. But the Bronco defense is awesome.

Buckweath 12-28-2012 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9247545)
Settle down, Pepsi. You don't get to say "we."

...

RealSNR 12-28-2012 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9247454)
Best 2-14 team ever.

We're a puny 2-14 team. We're not on the verge of drafting Geno Smith or anything. You guys are probably fine. Go ahead and beat the tar out of us and give us that #1 overall pick.

Keep praying that Kiper and McShay are right. Maybe your wish will come true.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-28-2012 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9247485)
The chiefs rushing game raped the broncos D in week 12, business as usual. Cant wait till we have that Geno Smith that will rape those broncos for the next ten years.

What do all these QBs have in common with Geno?

Sanchez
Jamarcus Russell
Leinart

They all looked great while in college.

RealSNR 12-28-2012 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247598)
What do all these QBs have in common with Geno?

Sanchez
Jamarcus Russell
Leinart

They all looked great while in college.

..

......

............

Did this just happen? Did... did I just find the most reeruned argument for why Geno Smith is a bust? Something that transcends even blind racism?

Oh... my God.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-29-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9247608)
..

......

............

Did this just happen? Did... did I just find the most reeruned argument for why Geno Smith is a bust? Something that transcends even blind racism?

Oh... my God.

Nope, never said he was a bust. He may turn out to be great. My point is that it's a BIT early to declare him someone that's going to rule the AFC West for the next decade.

Saccopoo 12-29-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247598)
What do all these QBs have in common with Geno?

Sanchez
Jamarcus Russell
Leinart

They all looked great while in college.

So did Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

Saccopoo 12-29-2012 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247613)
Nope, never said he was a bust. He may turn out to be great. My point is that it's a BIT early to declare him someone that's going to rule the AFC West for the next decade.

Not the next decade.

The next decade and a half.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-29-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9247614)
So did Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

Well yeah, most players don't get into the NFL playing like crap in college.

RealSNR 12-29-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247613)
Nope, never said he was a bust. He may turn out to be great. My point is that it's a BIT early to declare him someone that's going to rule the AFC West for the next decade.

#1- Sanchez never looked that good in college
#2- You logically have to apply this to ANY drafted QB
#3- It's dumb

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-29-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9247616)
Not the next decade.

The next decade and a half.

Decade and a half.

My apologies.

Saccopoo 12-29-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247622)
Well yeah, most players don't get into the NFL playing like crap in college.

So you're original comment was basically unneccessary, correct?

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-29-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9247624)
#1- Sanchez never looked that good in college
#2- You logically have to apply this to ANY drafted QB
#3- It's dumb

You're right, you do apply this to any QB. They all did well in college. The hope is that they'll pan out in the NFL, but it doesn't always go down that way.

Tombstone RJ 12-29-2012 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9247614)
So did Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

Tom Brady didn't do much in college. If he had, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 6th round.

AussieChiefsFan 12-29-2012 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247598)
What do all these QBs have in common with Geno?

Sanchez
Jamarcus Russell
Leinart

They all looked great while in college.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 9247622)
Well yeah, most players don't get into the NFL playing like crap in college.

:facepalm: My god....

007 12-29-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9246045)
That Broncos team is a 4 win team (maybe) without Manning.

That's how good that mother f'r is. Thanks Pioli for being a tard that no one wants to play for.

Manning wouldn't have been allowed to have all his commercials under Pioli. You know, distraction and all that.

#1 Bronco's Fan 12-29-2012 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9245938)
wow, that all-afc west team is ****ing pathetic. 12 broncos? hilarious.

Really? Denver Broncos 12 wins. Rest of AFC West 12 wins. Denver should have 13 players, they are 3 times better than any team in the division.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-29-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wobet selur (Post 9247862)
Really? Denver Broncos 12 wins. Rest of AFC West 12 wins. Denver should not have 13 players, they are Peyton Manning better than any team in the division.

FYP


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