Carbohydrates and inflammation
 

I’ve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. I’m wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

It’s not something I’m super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.

I know a lot of hard core MMA fighters who are very not hippie dudes who will advise you of a lot of “hippie bullshit” diet stuff, including veganism.

I’m not vegan, but they tell me all the time to do it.

CBD or CBG is also excellent for arthritic inflammation.

From what I've read, it's not as simple as just cutting carbs and reducing inflammation. It depends on many factors. The source of the carbs. Are they highly processed carbs or whole grain carbs? What your lifestyle is like. If you're not active and get little exercise, then cutting carbs can be very beneficial. If you're active, then cutting carbs could cause some negative things to happen. Inflammation could also just be the result of your work and diet may not ever be able to overcome that. It's complicated.

Here's a decent page with lots info on the subject, with lots of reference links if you're curious about the actual scientific studies:

https://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets

The human body has absolutely no need for any carbohydrates. They don't supply any trace minerals ,vitamins or protein.

Get on a Ketogenic diet which is very satisfying ,(your hunger cravings absolutely go away) and then go to intermittent fasting. Inflammation will virtually disappear. I've gone to one meal a day. Yesterday I skipped the one meal which gave me a 48 hour fast.

After the doctor damn near gave me brain damage with a medication switch i made up my mind I'm done with any medication I'm taking just because I'm a little overweight causing high blood pressure.

I wouldn’t eliminate carbohydrates from my diet. I don’t think thats a smart thing to do to the human body.

I say go old school and simple. Inflammation? No prob, just use ice.

Very good post Fish and I think the article is spot on. I think it is easier now to make a switch to whole grains as the selection is good for the most part.

I might also add that I have found beer to be the cause of inflammation in my joints, or at the very least it aggravates the heck out of them. It sucks, but it is a choice not easy to make because I love beer.

I don’t agree with the first statement in your paragraph.

Its nonsense imo. Our RBCS are 100% glucose dependent for energy but yet you’re saying the body doesnt need any carbs?

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You need to do more research. Carbs are not necessary except for what you get in veggies. In fact to most people they're the sole cause of obesity.

That's dangerously false.

Keto diets are dumb and unsustainable.

Dr Berg disagrees

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Always makes laugh how people are so protective of their carbs.

We've been told to eliminate fats for the last 40+ years and instead eat more breads, pasta and rice (just look at the food pyramid)... look how that has worked out.

For the OP I can only give you my experience I have done a low carb eating plan for the last 18 weeks combined with intermittent fasting, and it has helped me lose a lot of weight and I no longer suffer from bloating.

My only carbs are from vegetables and nuts so it is not about eliminating carbs its about cutting out or down the beige (Bread)and white (sugar) carbs. I disagree that carbs are not essential because to me fibre important for gut health so green carbs are important to me any.

I eat strategic carb days every 2 weeks and have cheats meals like anyone else.

Spot on. Yeah I should not have stated it as I did. On my diet I eat a big salad as part of my meal which of course contains some carbs BUT the carbs themselves are not essential. Just the nutrients you get with the veggies.

"Dr." Berg is a ****ing quack. Very well known for his pseudoscience bullshit.

He's not even an actual doctor. He's just a chiropractor. He's not legally allowed to even put a "Dr." in front of his name. He's been reprimanded and fined for his bullshit claims. Don't trust individuals spouting stuff that's completely contradictory to known science. Trust the overall body of knowledge. Which says that keto is shit. It absolutely has the potential to provide weight loss, but it's biologically dangerous and unsustainable for most people.

Sure. Again, for overweight people with little to no exercise, cutting carbs can absolutely be beneficial. But for most, drastically cutting carbs can have very different consequences regarding hormone balance, metabolism, etc. It also depends a lot on the type of carbs.

What works for you isn't necessary what works for most.

I had pizza for dinner. I then took my hydrocodone, gabepentin, and Aleve. I don't know if the inflammation went down but I feel better than I did before I ate pizza.

It was pepperoni in case you were wondering

FWIW every single thing I’ve read about lowering inflammation always has the same 2 things to eliminate (or greatly reduce): dairy and sugar.

Maybe worth a shot

Peer-reviewed scientific evidence:

I agree, the problem is so much information out there that conflicts. Low fat, keto, vegan etc what you normally find at the end is someone trying to sell you something.

I do think people need to be open minded, If I wasn't I would never have tried fasting and low carb.

all i know is i have eliminated sugar from my diet and i feel better, i have more energy. I recently started working out. Hitting a heavy bag every morning in 4 weeks i went from hitting a punching bag for 4 min and i was exhausted for my first time back at it, i am now on it for 35 min, 6 days a week. I eat some carbs. Ill have low carb tortilla's (im Mexican and i need some tortillas) lol and some tortilla chips every now and again. For me, it was about the ****ing sugar and bread. Im not saying i never have them, but once every 2 weeks ill have a sub or some ice cream, but for the most part, i just eat alot of ground turkey, veggies. Sugar on an everyday bases is just bad.

i cut back on my beef intake as well. ill have a steak once a week, maybe twice. There are times ill go weeks without it as well.

I would recommend looking at scientific info from people that aren't trying to sell you a remedy for it. For instance, "Dr." Berg above has his own entire subdomain for selling his keto BS: https://shop.drberg.com/keto-combo-regular

The scientists from the studies I listed above don't have hundreds of items to sell you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage healthy practices. Low carb absolutely does have benefits for some. But portraying it as an inflammation cure all just isn't honest in my opinion.

Have you honestly seen what this chucklehead tries to sell? Take a look:

https://shop.drberg.com/

Do you really believe that this chiropractor actually has any knowledge and experience in the fields in the link? How can you honestly look at that and think this guy is some kind of expert, as opposed to a snake oil salesmen trying to sell a cure for every type of malady. Let's take a look at this short list of treatments "Dr." Berg offers for sale. Seriously, he will sell you something for each of these issues and many more..

Hair Formula
Keto Combo
Galbladder Formula
Icelandic Sea Kelp (LMAO)
Adrenal Body Type Formula
Thyroid Body Type Formula
Ovary Body Type Formula
Liver Body Type Formula
Stress Kit
Trace Minerals
Digestive Kit
Joint Support
Blood Sugar Support
Estrogen Balance
Sleep Aid
Sleep Aid (Vegan) (ROFL)
Electrolyte Formula
Kale Shake Powder
Audio and Video Books
Keto Fasting Coach Certification
Keto Recipe book

Its different for everyone. You cant really just lump everyone together. Some will be inflamed by sugar, others dairy and some carbs.

There are foods and food groups that exacerbate inflammation. Dr. Google will tell you all about it. Try a low inflammation diet. It won't hurt and it may help. Some have outstanding results.

Yep, if you sit on your ass for a job then cutting carbs isn’t a big deal.


If you are active and physically work for a living it’s a little different.

Find balance. That’s always been the key.

1. Yes, it does. Glycogen stores in your body are complex polysaccharides, i.e. carbohydrates, which provide the primary fuel for the brain.

2. There's a reason why hypertension is called the silent killer. You may feel fine, but if your hypertension is not controlled, you run the risk of progressive kidney and heart damage.

Don't swear off medicine because of one bad practitioner. Would you never use a car again because one dealer sold you a lemon?

What were you taking? Now?

Carbs from BERRIES AND FRUIT are good for you but in weight loss they have to be minimized. Berries are my go to carb and I don't eat bread, pasta other than La Tortilla Factory Low carb wraps.

**** a diet fam


Take CBD oil!!!!!!1111

I was taking two meds. Valsartan 160mg and Hydrochlorothaladone 25mg. I complained to the doctor of severe dry mouth and sore throat.

He switched me to a single pill combo Valsartan160/HCTZ 12.5. After three weeks I had a blind episode while driving and severe dizzines,panic attacks, anxiety, head pain, eyeball pain . didn't think about it being side affects until I went to refill my medication and they said it had been recalled.

After investigating I found the medication had been contaminated with a known carcinogen and looking up the side effects all my symptoms were listed.


I made up my mind right then I was done with this shit. I cut out ALL CARBS except what I get in a salad. I've now lost 20 pounds in two plus weeks and my blood pressure is right where it's supposed to be.

I'm on no meds now and feel better than I've felt in years.

I had been on blood pressure meds for 25 years.

Kansas yo.

FYI, it was valsartan (which you were already taking) that was recalled, not necessarily the combination. I would blame the pharmacy more than the physician for dispensing a recalled medication

yes, I don't blame the physician at all . The pharmacy was most likely alerted after it was already dispenced so I don't blame them either. But the chinese that made the product, well i don't blame them either. They're just doing what they're ordered to do and kill americans.

:D
Congrats on the weight loss

What about Kansas? It’s legal there.

Good for you on the lifestyle change, hog. I think America is trained to throw meds at whatever ails them and not do the lifestyle changes to reduce or try to mitigate the problem in the first place. It's bad for people but good for business.

I gave up alcohol 6 months ago, lost 20 Lbs but lately have been eating a lot of sugar (Ice cream, cookies, honeycomb candy, Whoppers, etc) and gained 5 lbs recently. I figured with out the alcohol and since I ride a bike about 10 hours a week I'd be fine. I'm now looking into anti-inflammatory foods for cycling recovery and going t out out all the treats I've been letting myself indulge in.

Just cutting the alcohol/beer eliminated probably 10,000 calories a week. :eek:

Water pills? Are you still on them? They are your cause of sore throat and dry mouth.

Recalled contaminated heart medication? Holy Crap Batman!!!!

Of course you would because parade around here like DR. ****ing Science and everyone else is stupid. This just in everyone in the health industry is trying to make a buck and most scientific reports in health are done by scientists owned by big pharm with an agenda.

This is terrible advise. The massive majority in this country with rare exception will benefit dramatically from a low carb diet. Considering the average American eats WAYYYY too many carbs and the source of those carbs is generally processed sugar and food it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the benefits here. I don't think anyone said it was a cure all because nothing is. Sugar is the #1 food factor contributing to inflammation.

My advise would be this in order.

1. Eat an abundance of fresh organic veggies. A medium amount of sourced meats and raw nuts. Eat a small amount of organic fruits, preferably dark red or black cherries and blueberries. Both are fantastic for inflammation.

2. Do not eat processed foods and sugars, yes this includes alchohol. I know nobody is perfect but do the best you can.

3. If you are older get or make organic broth, you choose. Add a tablespoon of collagen. Pick up some tumeric extract curcumin 95% in bulk from bulksupplements.com It's super expensive any other way. Add a teaspoon to your broth when you warm it up to drink.

4. Get your gut right. There are lots of ways to do this but is critical.

5. As somebody mentioned here we are all different. You need to know what you are lacking in your system and what it has problems with. There are several ways to go about this. Find the one that you are the most comfortable with but do it. For example almost everyone has a problem properly digesting cows milk. It can very from a very little problem to huge one. My son came back that his system had real issues with black beans, go figure. Take the time, spend the money and you will be on your way.

It is hard to find the real deal glutathione cream but if you can it helps with flare ups. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the input guys. Much appreciated.

To be honest, I’ve learned from my experiences AND Im a health science major. With that being said, I’ve done a lot of research with respect to this topic and have been on plenty of keto diets myself to suggest it ain’t healthy for us.

I used to bodybuild as well and I recall going on low carb diets for my cutting phase. The biggest mistake I made was staying on these diets for too long. You know what happened to me? I lost hair bro. Yup. Thats right.

There is such a thing called gluconeogenesis. Basically, that is just a fancy term for the formation of new glucose through substrates like lactate, alanine, and glycerol. All these get metabolized by liver to create glucose if the body is not getting enough carbs. So what does that suggest? The human body needs glucose!!! And it will find ways to make it if you’re not giving your body enough carbohydrates.

And if you stay on these diets for too long like myself, its possible you could lose hair or even have organ damage somewhere!! If the body is starved of carbs for too long, it will take other macronutrients from your diet, protein, fat, break those down to make sugar and if thats a bit lacking in your diet, it’ll start breaking down muscle tissue or lean body mass tissue from your organs if it has to.

Your body does not care in that aspect because all its trying to do is protect itself to survive by making sugars for your rbcs and for your brain cells as well. Please don’t go on these diets if you happen to consider them. Learn from my mistakes and what Im telling you. Its not worth it.

*I think what you need to do is engage yourself in factual information and seperate those facts from myths. Don’t believe everything you hear. A lot of info out there with respect to dieting and exercise is bs.

FWIW if you have Netflix this is a good watch,granted it's for the keto lifestyle but still a good watch no matter what side you're on.

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It's now a proven fact.

High sugar diets lead to inflammation.

Fasting, intermittent fasting, and low sugar diets lower inflammation.

This is a hard fact for doctors to adapt to but the literature is out there. I see a ton of vids listed on this thread and all of them mention and reference the same studies and quote the same information.

It's just like how the low carb diet (and greater protein consumption) lowered cholesterol 20 years ago. Doctors were slow to endorse it, 10 years ago started to warm up and no longer dismiss it, and about 5 years ago started to endorse it.

Now the science has caught up and we know why.

Yeah some 12 years ago I weighed 281 and cholesterol and blood pressure were way too high.Told my doc I was going to try low carb and he told me try anything but that.Six months later I come back weighing 231 and he said my cholesterol and BP were perfect,even said it went against everything he'd been taught.

Ended up getting to 199 and felt great,I still do it off and on and always feel better when I'm on.

Honestly, if you want to reduce inflammation I'd go vegan. You're basically eating anti-inflammatories entirely, give yourself a month or two and you'll probably feel amazing.

I've made it about a month vegan, and I have never ever felt better. Don't know why I stopped honestly.

Because you wanted a steak?

Honestly, I felt so good I didn't want one. If you make real food, and don't try to mimic meat with fake shit, it's not hard and the food is good.

I think it was just a PITA with my wife and daughter not eating that way. My wife can't eat gluten, so if I make a separate diet at home we have to pretty much make 3 different meals.

When I just eat real food and cut out all sugar and alcohol I feel awesome. I don't know if I could ever cut out all meat.

the carbs cause the inflamation
the meat causes the inflamation

so only eat fat?
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My allergist claims eliminating foods you specially get inflammation from, including food allergies/sensitivities can aggravate arthritis and/or create inflammation. Can only be found through blood work. Every body is different but carbs turn to sugar and sugar is commonly inflammatory.

Where's your arthritis?

Drink some aloe vera gel, a tiny bit in some water, turmeric help inflammation. Aloe Barbendensis Miller has the most active compounds for arthritis is naturally anti-inflammatory. Need at least 80% strength. MSM gels also are anti-inflammatory. Stay away from creams or gels with parabens used a preservatives. I don't care what NIH says about a little won't harm, they're in so many things it's not just a little anymore. Was a WSJ article about them where I think it was Walmart told J&J to remove them, as they were being found in people with breast and skin cancer. Lot of companies have been removing them.

All plants that in the nightshade family are inflammatory. Tomatoes, eggplant for two. I'd rather get tested though 'cuz it can vary from person to person.

Oh and what kind of arthritis is it? There's different kinds.

ROFL

The Mrs. Sprat Diet?

Arthritis is in my hands and knees.

Never tried aloe. But I take glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM. Does topical application make any difference?

I haven’t had it formally diagnosed but I don’t have the blood markers for rheumatoid. I’m assuming just standard osteo arthritis.

What she said about doing the blood test to see what your food allergies are is really important as I mentioned earlier. There is actually another way to do it but it is most likely unavailable there. What she said about tumeric is right on the money. I use the curcumin extract powder that I buy in bulk and mix with broth. If you do that and eat red or black cherries you will notice within a few days the difference. I have it in my hands as well from years of lifting and martial arts

You might be referencing some older information that has since been proven false. Not trying to be a jerk. But the most recent meta-study on tumeric/curcumin looks at >120 different scientific studies and includes 164 references. Please take a look at the meta-study below in the link and the included references if you're curious. Here's the result:

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just offering what I've found to be the most recent scientific information about the subject. If you have more recent contradictory studies/information, I'd gladly refer to that, feel free to offer it up.

Science is a cruel mistress.

Wish I could help Buehler, arthritis pain is no fun.

Have you tried Diclofenac? It's topical ibuprofen. You get topical absorption with limited systemic side effects of NSAIDs, like GI irritation and narrowing of your afferent arterioles (which drops your GFR).

I have not. Does it take a prescription?

Yeah. Trade name is Voltaren.

I am sure you can find disinformation posted as scientific research produced by the pharmaceutical industry that will clown anything natural. I had huge problems with my hands from a lifetime in the dojo that caused some very painful inflammation of my hands that was so bad I thought I may not be able to ride motorcycles anymore especially since it was so bad my hand would spasm and lock up in a straight position. I went to a DACM. Curcumin when dissolved in a hot liquid in this case broth increases it's bioavailablity is what I was told. I used a three prong approach using black cherries and did what you would consider an unconventional approach to finding out what foods I have any negative effect to. I have virtually no arthritis in my hands when I use all three. I was at the gym this morning for 90 minutes doing back and bi's with no pain. I have been able to do this consistently since using this approach.

I have a script pad. How much cash you got? :D








(obviously i'm just kidding)

Many thanks sir. I’ll give it a try.

With Google, everyone is an expert and can find exactly the evidence they need to satisfy their confirmation bias!



If keto works for you, do keto... if you see issues like not getting enough fiber, eat more fiber... or if you don't have enough energy, bump up carbs a little. Maybe go to a doctor every once in a while to make sure you're not slowly killing yourself. If you find it's not sustainable, adjust.

If high carbs/lower fat works, do that... if you see issues, adjust. Maybe see a doctor every once in a while.

If you've otherwise have found a perfect balance that works, do that.

Less than my deductible to go to the MD. :D

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I do see my doctor. I’m just tying to get some feedback before I talk to him about something.

Nope, everyone who was hijacking your thread to discuss how keto is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, depending on what you search for in Google.... instead of actually trying to answer your question (which on that point, I have nothing useful...).

Carbohydrates and inflammation
 

Tumeric pills help a lot

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/232...g?v=1512736269

Just don't eat because food is inflamatory.

Don't drink because water has toxins.

Don't breathe because air has pollutants.

Don't read ChiefsPlanet because everyone is an expert on everything, which is quite inflammatory.
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Really hard for me not to turn up the blast furnace in this thread.

Supposed too. There's two doctors who have books on aloe, one British who writes about his work on patients with arthritis Dr. Peter Atherton. Atherton has been able to reduce his patients medication and he recommends taking it with some MSM.

The plant is just a natural anti-inflammatory but there's 400 species over 2,200 types. The Aloe Barbadensis Miller is the most potent has the most about of helpful properties. I use the plant for burns 'cuz I burn myself a lot cooking including boiling oil accidentally spilling. Really takes the sting out fast, heals up the burn faster too. I have no scars from any of them. A nurse told me it's used in burn units.

Also heat. It helps blood flow.

I find that really incredible at your age.

He's usually cynical about anything natural that's not Big Pharma—even though they have rigged some of their own studies and get suit a LOT.

Heh. I've had it for more than a decade. When I was 25, I was playing basketball 3 times a week and developed tendonitis in my patellar tendon. I had to go to a general practitioner before I could be referred to a sports medicine doctor or orthopedist.

So I go see this gal, and she has to do the stability test for the ACL/MCL, so she puts her hand on my kneecap and gets this bewildered look and says, "Oh my GOD. You have arthritis! You're too young for that!"

I told her I figured, but this isn't that. But since we're talking about it, what are my treatment options for it. ".....weeeellll....you can take up to 2400 MG ibueprofien per day." Gee. Thanks.

I got out of her that Glucosamine and Condoiton is the only supplement approved by the USDA to slow the loss of cartilage.

Quite the depressing visit. But yeah, I'm 35 now.

You might look into stem cell treatments especially for the knee. It's been around 15 years now and they've had good results. These regenerate joint cartilage and repair arthritis damage. Some it hasn't worked on but you're young enough. Insurance considers it experimental still so they won't cover it but I've heard good things about it from orthopedic doctors. Others orthopedic drs are skeptical.

NIH's website says umbilical blood cord is most effective but there's other kinds. Some use your own stem cells.

I have an appointment with my MD to talk about them. I think the umbilical cord cells aren't legal in the US. I also heard they may be trying to ban all stem cells because the HHS (I think) Chief doesn't like stem cells for.....reasons.

Rogan had Mel Gibson on talking about his dad doing SCT. It was interesting. I think you'll have to go to Panama for it though. Would be a long drive on the old John Deere.

Advanced Regenerative Orthopedics in Tampa uses blood cord.

That's horrible someone is attempting to ban them. Sounds like those profiting off of knee and hip replacement surgery are feeling the heat of competition.

I went to some seminars on this because of two knee injuries in the same knee, plus surgery on the same knee at age 12 myself. The place using one's own stem cells naturally was opposed to the blood cord. I just happened to check out what NIH said about them. In 2007 I was told because of that surgery, I may get arthritis in that knee. Ultimately I didn't have to do anything as my last MRI did not show another meniscus tear.

Also, there are a lot of places claiming to use SC that are not worth pursuing or not even done by an orthopedic physician or properly trained physician in the procedure. How these are injected is pretty important.

Then there's other types of practitioners out there promising supplements etc for ST that aren't valid and don't do anything. A lot of bandwagoners.

Yeah. I listened to that one. That sounds amazing. But I imagine it takes Mel Gibson money to make that happen.

Yeah, it's still weird to me the reasons we don't have it like that here