Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283805)

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283802)

Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283539)

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit with the Broncos otherwise bust)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283805)

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283539)

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283816)

I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283825)

What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283831)

Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283838)

LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283539)

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9283844)

Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283590)

I did. I looked at the Eagles. Not that impressive.

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283805)

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9283847)

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.