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Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320843)

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14066657)

It's pretty much who I thought it would be.

As much as I wanted him to....Andy wasn't turning over the defense to a young guy with no experience as a DC.

Am I excited? Meh...not really. Is it better than Sutton? Yes.

Maybe now we'll shit can this stupid 3-4 and be aggressive.

Didn't this year's Chiefs defense have the most sacks, or close to it, of any team?

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14066659)

WRONG.

Spagnuolo is from the Andy Reid tree, after previously working under Reid and Jim Johnson in Philadelphia, where Spagnuolo learned the aggressive blitz-heavy 4-3 scheme that helped the Giants to take down Tom Brady and the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

That was 10 years ago

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14066657)

Exactly. Andy wants a guy he ca set and forget. He wants to turn the defense over to someone who will control that side of the club so he can focus on Pat and the offense.

A young, never been before, DC is not that guy.

Spags has been both a DC and a HC, so he knows how to gameplan, prepare his team and control a locker room.

I dont love the hire either, but i get it.

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 14066662)

Didn't this year's Chiefs defense have the most sacks, or close to it, of any team?

Yes, we also had arguably the NFL’s best trio of pass rushers in Ford/Jones/Houston. What’s your point?

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14066626)

Yeah - far better to give it to the guy that's failed about 3/4 of the time he's been given plenary authority over a defense over the last decade.

I mean everyone has excuses. ****, you can make excuses for Sutton if you want to. And I'm sure people will be here next season making excuses for Spagnuolo as well.

This is the time that the Chiefs should be making bold moves designed to push through the ceiling. They actually have an offense that can help the young up and comer while he gets his feet under him and takes command of that side of the ball over the course of a season. Shit, they carried the defense to the #1 seed this year.

The key is to have a cohesive unit by the post-season and I think a young guy would've had plenty of time to do so. Instead we're just recycling Reid's cronies.

Folks - this is the shit that proved his undoing in Philadelphia. I think Andy's one of the 10 best coaches of all time but we cannot lose another playoff game because the DC got his job out of misplaced loyalty and/or simple familiarity.

There are BETTER guys out there than Spaguolo. And if we take a chance on a guy who hasn't done it before (or not at this level) you're right that it's possible we won't actually get one of them. But if we don't take the chance, this product of his own press clippings is gonna be the same fungible asshole with a headset we've seen on the sidelines before.

You know who he is? He's just another Gunther. It took multiple failures, included failed HC stints, for people to realize that he was a nothing; just a product of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. But he yelled a lot on the sidelines and blitzed some so people just assumed he was a genius. Well we're at about the same point in the Steve Spagnuolo career arc. Let's just get him some yellow sunglasses and we should be good to go.

I definitely would rather we went with a younger guy with some fire who isn't a known commodity. I got a bad feeling about this hire if true.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14066632)

Maybe on a lot of it. Probably on some.

There are definitely better guys out there, but how many are actually available or an option?

Also, what DC hasn't been a product of having great players?

Very few of them - no question.

I'm not expecting chicken salad from chicken shit here. But what I'm hoping for is a marginal step up on the talent. He's not going to have 'great players' on balance - he's gonna have a few good ones and he'll have to make due.

But you saw it just as I did - the goddamn Ravens performed so far above their true talent that it was ridiculous. That defense has some solid players, to be sure, but that's not why they were such an excellent unit. They were an excellent unit because they were versatile and played smart team defense.

Spagnuolo over the last decade has demonstrated a pattern of having just awful defenses with a single exception (that '16 team). Sutton's resume over his time in KC is BETTER than Spags over the same time period and that's just a horrifying thought. My point here isn't that Spags needed to be leading perennial top 5 defenses but rather to point out that his track record over that period is arguably the worst of any coach that has been continually employed in a coordinator or higher capacity over the last decade. The problem isn't that he didn't have great defenses - it's that he routinely produced objectively bad ones.

At that level of suck, the excuses just wash out. Maybe he didn't routinely have excellent players but jesus - I'm not going to just assume he routinely had players that awful either. Over an entire decade.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14066667)

Yes, we also had arguably the NFL’s best trio of pass rushers in Ford/Jones/Houston. What’s your point?

How can a defense not be called aggressive with that sack count?

Thought this was interesting and there is more to read with videos in the link.

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https://www.cover1.net/new-york-giants-steve-spagnuolo/

Giants fans are very familiar with outgoing defensive coordinator and interim head coach Steve Spagnuolo. As a reminder, he was an assistant defensive coach under legendary defensive coordinator Jim Johnson in Philadelphia for eight seasons. Johnson was known for his blitzes, pioneering double A-gap blitz looks and other types of exotic delayed blitzes from safeties and other overload looks before the snap that wrecked havoc on the 5- and 7-step passing schemes of the era.

Throughout Spagnuolo’s coaching career (New York Giants, obviously, but don’t forget St. Louis Rams head coach, New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator, Baltimore Ravens defensive assistant) the amount of pressure he has brought via the blitz has varied, but many of Johnson’s schemes were backbones of his attack.

Fast forward to the 2017 season and Spagnuolo is back in Big Blue and coming off a strong 2016 season. His defense was, in his words, in “graduate school” in regards to understanding the schemes and concepts they could now run. This absolutely applied to the blitzes from the secondary, often delayed and originating from off the line of scrimmage. Their design centered on almost a one-two combination, in which a blitz look was shown on one side, and then a blitz would come from an unknown area on the opposite side. There was no better example of this than versus the Eagles in week three of 2017, a game that if the scales had tipped in the Giants’ favor, the entire season may have ended up on a starkly different trajectory. This was a 3rd-and-8 near the end of the second half, and a big stop by the Giants:

The clear front side distracting pressure (and resulting relatively complicated man coverage scheme) was coupled with the back side boundary safety blitz. Spagnuolo wanted the offense to react as it did with a protection slide to the initial pressure look, allowing one of his blitzers (Collins) to face a lesser quality blocker (RB Blount). This is an example of things that should work, and this game partially laid a foundation of how teams attacked Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz for the rest of the season.

Unfortunately, though, many of the secondary blitzes featured last year were not as successful. Spagnuolo featured secondary blitzes often, according to FO again, with a frequency rate of 14.7 percent, or 3rd highest in the league. They came from both safeties, outside cornerbacks and slot corner/nickel back positions.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14066666)

This is going to be Reid's legacy right here. He'd better hope that Spags can get this shit back to at least average.

His job will be very clear. Find a way to stop all the long clock killing drives that killed us. No one expects dominance but hold teams down forba half would be enough.

We just need a average DC

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14066634)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steve Spagnuolo's last DECADE of leading defenses.<br>Average in Yards Allowed: 25th in NFL (including worst or 2nd worst 4x)<br>Average in Points Allowed: 24th in NFL (including 30th or worse 3x)</p>— Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/1088102915087257600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Uggg

DJLN is killing it in this thread. I could not disagree with one word he has said if I wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 14066672)

How can a defense not be called aggressive with that sack count?

This. Our MLBs and defensive backfield were hot garbage. We have ZERO run stuffing ability on the Dline.

The defense was about as aggressive as it could be.