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houstonwhodat 02-19-2013 06:15 AM
Jail won't kill him, probably the best thing for him. Forced rehab.

As long as it's not a felony employers will overlook someone who reached out for help for their own problems.

That's tough to do.

Abba-Dabba 02-19-2013 06:25 AM
Once again, the planet to the rescue...

Hate to say it but, I doubt your brother seeks treatment. Instead he will obviously be facing criminal charges. From the sounds of it both violent and non-violent in nature. If it is heroin, probably a felony that will follow him around for life. Maybe I wrong, maybe your small town has enough monetary and other resources to afford a drug court where he can recieve proper treatment. Then again maybe you just sent him into criminal court only to have a outcome you never intended. A class c felony conviction for heroin possession in Missouri can carry a sentence up to 7 years. Doubtful he recieves a sentence that large, but the added assualt charge sure doesn't help his now criminal and addiction issues.

soopamanluva 02-19-2013 07:16 AM
You didn't do anything wrong. The relationship between him and his daughter. ..he ruined that. Drug charge...his fault. He wasn't thinking about any of that when he decided to get high. He chose to ruin his life, youre just helping save it. No guilt for what you did.

In58men 02-19-2013 07:20 AM
I'd do the same thing, he'll be treated in a rehab center. More then likely he'll be on methadone for the rest of his life. He should have never put you through that situation in the first place. Very selfish on his part. Kudos for taking a stand.

Fishpicker 02-19-2013 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9414861)
More then likely he'll be on methadone for the rest of his life.
I hope not. methadone is worse than actual smack from what I've seen. my cousin was on it for several years and it made her a zombie. her doctor switched her to subuxone (sp?) and she got a lot better pretty quickly. she still has problems but at least she isn't in a stupor 24/7.

stevieray 02-19-2013 08:57 AM
great advice in this thread....

realize if he's using heroin, he's stuffing down major pain....the only good thing out of this is now can be the breaking point of facing his demons and heading down the road to recovery.


props to you for being willing to step up and help. major courage.

Buehler445 02-19-2013 09:00 AM
Man, I'm really sorry to hear this. There is not much I can do to help except pray for you and your family.

I hope your interview goes well.

All the best.

Dayze 02-19-2013 10:04 AM
never been through it. but I've heard from people who have that used both approaches.
either kicking their ass into gear/tough love, or the more therapudic method.

both were successful, but I'd imagine each situation is completely different.

I'd go with the treatment deal; kicking his ass into the treament center if necessary.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-19-2013 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9414787)
Here's the rub. You don't need help. He does. You want him to be helped. He does not. You can't fix this problem. He has to fix it. Drug addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom. The only thing you can do to "help" is push him towards rock bottom. That includes doing things that will be uncomfortable for you, him, your family, and your relationship:
1. You could notify authorities.
2. You could swipe his stash. Tough to get high when you don't have the goods.
3. You could tell your family.
4. You could call 911 and tell them he OD'ed.

You're going to be forced to do something that sucks or do nothing at all and wait for him to destroy his life even more or perhaps even kill somebody or himself. I don't envy you this position but it's probably not your fault and unless you have big brass ones, there's nothing you can do about it.

Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.

Dante84 02-19-2013 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9415199)
Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
No, do not do this, as it would be felony kidnapping and it would ruin YOUR life if for whatever reason he goes to the authorities.

Jenson71 02-19-2013 10:22 AM
Sorry to hear about this situation, and I hope it turns out okay for him. As far as feeling guilty about getting him in trouble, keep in mind it was him that put you unwillingly into that situation. He was bound to get in trouble one way or another, either death or drug stings or high in public. No one ever sits at home shooting heroin and ends up making something of their life.

Rasputin 02-19-2013 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9415199)
Not exactly true. You can make a difference RIGHT NOW. While he's passed out you need to get all his stash from him. Next drag him into a closet that you can lock and keep him there until he's dried out. You can cut a small hole in the bottom to slip him some water from time to time and maybe some cheese sticks when he gets hungry. Go ahead and tell your mom what's up so she won't get too concerned about what all the noise is coming from the closet. This will all be over with in three to five days. He will thank you later and you'll have peace of mind that you saved your brothers life.
Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.

Jenson71 02-19-2013 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9415253)
Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
Spa and yoga vacation.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-19-2013 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9415253)
Hope your joking right? The withdrawel could kill him with out treatment and being safe. Being locked up in a closet could make him freak out and really cause some harm. He needs to detox in an invironment that helps people detox.
Good point. My advice would be then to divide his stash up into 5 days worth and give him a smaller amount each day till it's gone. That should get him thru withdrawals.

NewChief 02-19-2013 10:34 AM
With other drugs, I might counsel differently, but you need to realize the dire consequences of opiate addiction. It is, literally, a life or death situation.

If your brother were tiptoeing blindfolded along a 2x4 between two buildings 500 ft. in the air, you'd probably tackle his ass and hold him down, which you wouldn't do in "normal" circumstances. That's what he's doing with heroin. Smack addicts always think they're "safe," but anyone can overdose. Your justified in breaking normal sibling and familial norms in this situation, just like in the above scenario, because it's literally a life and death scenario.

A good friend of mine was just dabbling with heroin and ended up dead in his apartment in NYC. It's just way too easy to OD on the shit.

So you did the right thing.


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