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Iconic 10-08-2018 03:10 PM

Why Kansas City should trade for Deone Bucannon & Haason Reddick
 
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While the NFL trade deadline is still a few weeks away, that didn’t keep us from musing about some trades that we would like to see for each team last week. Feasibility is always an issue when discussing swapping resources this time of year, but with news from Arizona that former first-round picks Deone Bucannon and Haason Reddick are available, there is a first-place team that might have the requisite motivation to allow the Cardinals to move on from these players.

The Kansas City Chiefs’ defense has been maligned for the better part of the last two years, and for good reason. Even after a solid performance against Blake Bortles and the Jacksonville Jaguars this past Sunday, Chiefs are allowing success in the passing game on 53.70% of early downs, which has been the third-worst mark in the AFC. This is despite the fact that outside linebacker Dee Ford is playing the best football of his career (30 total pressures so far), and the trio of Kendall Fuller, Steven Nelson and Orlando Scandrick has A) been healthy all five games and B) played better than expected.

Their run defense, allowing the 54.55% early-down success rate (worst in the NFL), hasn’t fared much better, however.

This gets to where Bucannon and/or Reddick fit in. The Chiefs signed Anthony Hitchens to a five-year, $45-million deal this offseason to replace Derrick Johnson as their every-down inside linebacker. Hitchens has struggled in that role, allowing 33-of-35 targets into his coverage to be completed, for 1.72 yards per coverage snap (fifth-worst among inside linebackers through Sunday). He’s always been a better run defender than a coverage player throughout his career, but he’s just 47th there this season, with 11 total stops and four missed tackles.

Reggie Ragland, acquired in a trade from Buffalo last preseason, has been very productive in run defense (14th in run-stop percentage) but has (predictably) struggled in pass coverage himself, allowing 1.66 yards per coverage snap and a touchdown this week against T.J. Yeldon in coverage.

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While Bucannon has failed to adapt to Steve Wilks’ new scheme this season, Bucannon graded well as a coverage linebacker in 2015 and 2016 and would represent the dime linebacker/safety hybrid the Chiefs have been missing since Tyvon Branch and Hussain Abdullah left after the 2015 season. Whether it has been injuries to safeties Eric Berry and Daniel Sorensen, or feeling the need to play Hitchens and Ragland due to their investment in them, the Chiefs have played six or more defensive backs on fewer than 15% of their defensive snaps this season, down from over 40% the last two years under Bob Sutton. Playing fewer defensive backs has not helped their run defense no matter how you look at it statistically, and while in general more defensive backs does allow more efficiency in the running game, opposing offense’s expected points added against six defensive backs or more when passing the ball is still higher (-0.05 per early-down play since 2013) than when running the ball (-0.07).

When it comes to Reddick, it’s important to point out that, in our preparation for the draft, we found that players that play the same position in the NFL than they did in college were easier to predict than those (like Reddick) that changed positions. The Chiefs are currently working with two players in Breeland Speaks and Tanoh Kpassagnon that were interior players at the college level, but are playing outside linebacker in Sutton’s 3-4 defense. The results have been predictable, with the two combining for just 22 pressures and eight stops in 350 career snaps to this point. Even before Justin Houston left Sunday’s game with an injury, the Chiefs have been in search of a healthy and solid third edge player for as long as Sutton has run the defense. Having Reddick (who had 44 pressures and 46 stops as an edge his final season at Temple) in that role could help revive his career and give the Chiefs options in the future – with Ford facing a contract year and Houston carrying roughly $31 million in potential salary savings the next two years.

With the highest projected win total in the NFL after five weeks, a bright young quarterback on a rookie deal and a head coaching spinning plates with the best of the NFL’s offensive minds, it will be interesting to see the Chiefs’ appetite for improving the personnel of their defense moving forward. While Bucannon or Reddick will likely not be stars, they could contribute in small ways towards making the Chiefs a top-20 defense, which would likely be enough in an offensive-heavy season like this.

In trading for Ragland (a former second-round pick) and starting guard Cameron Erving (a former first-round pick) in his tenure, GM Brett Veach has shown that he’s willing to take a chance on another team’s failed investments. In jettisoning Johnson, star cornerback Marcus Peters and the final three picks of the John Dorsey era after just one year, he’s also shown the ability to cut bait on projects that have produced little fruit.

This appears to be an opportunity to do both.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...cannon-reddick

In58men 10-08-2018 03:11 PM

In

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 03:12 PM

Do it.

htismaqe 10-08-2018 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13799980)
Do it.

Yep. It works for me.

RunKC 10-08-2018 03:18 PM

Or play O’Daniel first before and see what he can do. He was literally drafted to do this job.

Coochie liquor 10-08-2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13800000)
Or play O’Daniel first before and see what he can do. He was literally drafted to do this job.

Too soon. Takes 3 years to learn Sutton’s defense.

Mecca 10-08-2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13800000)
Or play O’Daniel first before and see what he can do. He was literally drafted to do this job.

That wouldn't even be an issue because Buchanon and O'Daniel could play together in the passing downs...

arrowheadnation 10-08-2018 05:04 PM

Might as well go for broke and get Patrick Peterson packaged in with them.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-08-2018 05:07 PM

If it makes sense, Veach will do it

The Franchise 10-08-2018 05:07 PM

Trade for Reddick.
Let Speaks put his hand in the dirt.

NJChiefsFan 10-08-2018 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13800000)
Or play O’Daniel first before and see what he can do. He was literally drafted to do this job.

He isn't ready yet to suck as bad as Smith does. Needs more time.

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 05:13 PM

Question. I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but if we hypothetically trade for Reddick and he isn't as useless as tits at a gay bar do we have the 5th year option available?

TambaBerry 10-08-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13800245)
Question. I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but if we hypothetically trade for Reddick and he isn't as useless as tits at a gay bar do we have the 5th year option available?

yes

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13800246)
yes

Thank you.

KChiefs1 10-08-2018 06:16 PM

Ok

PHOG 10-08-2018 06:20 PM

Sounds good, do it.

mnchiefsguy 10-08-2018 06:24 PM

I say go for it...

After seeing the defense on Sunday, I think even just a small infusion of talent can go a long way......we just need good solid defenders.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:24 PM

Yeah let’s do that

PHOG 10-08-2018 06:28 PM

Anybody that knows how to hit, wrap up, and throw the damn guy to the ground please.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:29 PM

Like for real, why haven’t we done this already

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13800457)
Like for real, why haven’t we done this already

I'll be a bit surprised if Reddick doesn't end up on the Chiefs. Seem to remember a lot of smoke around us and him during the draft.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:40 PM

Well let’s get that done asap

O.city 10-08-2018 06:40 PM

What would it take to get both of them?

A 5 and a 7?

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13800512)
What would it take to get both of them?

A 5 and a 7?

I doubt we're all that interested in Bucannon.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:43 PM

Ok then a 5 for reddick?

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13800541)
Ok then a 5 for reddick?

I'd be furious if Veach turned that down.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:48 PM

Yeah let’s hurry up and get that done

Rasputin 10-08-2018 06:56 PM

He is De one

htismaqe 10-08-2018 06:57 PM

Maybe we could make a play for Reddick and Bethea.

O.city 10-08-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13800596)
Maybe we could make a play for Reddick and Bethea.

I wouldn’t hate another safety but I’d just play Lucas

He looked ok

htismaqe 10-08-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13800604)
I wouldn’t hate another safety but I’d just play Lucas

He looked ok

They have Lucas listed as a CB I saw today.

ROYC75 10-08-2018 07:33 PM

I've seen comments like , just play ___________.


or

Go get / trade for _____________.


It takes 3 yrs to learn Sutton's defense.

WTH ?

We have to trade to get somebody and the team has to be willing. How are they going to learn Sutton's D quicker than a rookie?

Granted, most rookies do have to get use to a more sophisticated scheme where vets can pick up quicker. But it does not mean that they will pick it up well!

htismaqe 10-08-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13800807)
I've seen comments like , just play ___________.


or

Go get / trade for _____________.


It takes 3 yrs to learn Sutton's defense.

WTH ?

We have to trade to get somebody and the team has to be willing. How are they going to learn Sutton's D quicker than a rookie?

Granted, most rookies do have to get use to a more sophisticated scheme where vets can pick up quicker. But it does not mean that they will pick it up well!

It doesn't take 3 years to learn Sutton's defense... :shake:

ROYC75 10-08-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13800811)
It doesn't take 3 years to learn Sutton's defense... :shake:

I know, I seen an earlier comment stating this.

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13800029)
Too soon. Takes 3 years to learn Sutton’s defense.


Sofa King 10-08-2018 07:39 PM

All these trade candidates, we gotta get someone at some point.

****ing Earl Thomas...

Lprechaun 10-08-2018 07:40 PM

The quote I saw about learning the defense was from someone on the team from an interview. Said it takes 2 years. I will try to find the interview

Coochie liquor 10-08-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13800829)
I know, I seen an earlier comment stating this.

That was actually a joke!

carcosa 10-08-2018 07:51 PM

Yas kween!

ROYC75 10-08-2018 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13800894)
That was actually a joke!

But there are some members here that will believe this type of stuff.

It's one thing to logically speak about potential trades, draft picks, etc. To fill the heads of some of these airheads on here with that idea, to go along with their ridiculous takes is like feeding the dumb.

Titty Meat 10-08-2018 08:30 PM

Not gonna happen

TambaBerry 10-08-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13801089)
But there are some members here that will believe this type of stuff.

It's one thing to logically speak about potential trades, draft picks, etc. To fill the heads of some of these airheads on here with that idea, to go along with their ridiculous takes is like feeding the dumb.

Could you imagine that?

Sutton goes in for an interview and is like well guys I'll be your DC but our defense won't be good for 3 years because that's how long it takes to learn it. Also, we can't bring in new players.

Simply Red 10-08-2018 08:43 PM

Ain't going to happen - neither of them, guarantee you.

Sassy Squatch 10-08-2018 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13801170)
Ain't going to happen - neither of them, guarantee you.

You're not nice.

Iconic 10-08-2018 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13800925)
Yas kween!

good post

carcosa 10-08-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 13801180)
good post

Very kind of you to say!

Bump 10-08-2018 09:30 PM

ok, sure why not.

Simply Red 10-08-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13801175)
You're not nice.

I am just not of the belief they'll address the LB corps - it'll be other D positions, IMO.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-08-2018 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13801170)
Ain't going to happen - neither of them, guarantee you.

Correct

htismaqe 10-08-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13801322)
Correct

Here you go again, being a big meanie. Why PGM? Why?

I used to love you...

New World Order 10-08-2018 10:02 PM

I bet we trade for someone. We were close with Earl Thomas. I doubt he was the only one.

I'm sure Veach has his eye on someone. D will look a bit different soon.

We might be waiting to see how we perform against NE and go from there.

Simply Red 10-08-2018 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13801341)
I bet we trade for someone. We were close with Earl Thomas. I doubt he was the only one.

I'm sure Veach has his eye on someone. D will look a bit different soon.

We might be waiting to see how we perform against NE and go from there.

Oh you can bank on it - just don't think it'll be for linebackers.

UK_Chief 10-09-2018 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13800029)
Too soon. Takes 3 years to learn Sutton’s defense.

Takes a long time to beat the desire to tackle out of them eh?

Coochie liquor 10-09-2018 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 13801478)
Takes a long time to beat the desire to tackle out of them eh?

ROFL

Dunerdr 10-09-2018 05:37 AM

This is a no brainer. Outside of this year even if he's mediocre your not dropping off from ford who still isn't great against the run.

scho63 10-09-2018 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13800000)
Or play O’Daniel first before and see what he can do. He was literally drafted to do this job.

Rosie O'Daniel? She plays for us now? :hmmm:

pugsnotdrugs19 10-09-2018 03:47 PM

Twitter guy who said we were trying to get Earl says we are now going after Reddick.

https://twitter.com/chiefs365com/sta...211596288?s=21

The Franchise 10-09-2018 03:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To clarify, bucannons name was thrown into the conversation, so my opinion is, they would rather have Teddick but won’t pass on bucannon</p>&mdash; CHIEFS365 @CHIEFS #Chiefskingdom TO THE SB (@Chiefs365Com) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs365Com/status/1049776172702158848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The Franchise 10-09-2018 03:53 PM

Hopefully this is right and not just him throwing shit at the wall because of the article in the OP.

htismaqe 10-09-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13802936)
Twitter guy who said we were trying to get Earl says we are now going after Reddick.

https://twitter.com/chiefs365com/sta...211596288?s=21

:wayne::wayne::wayne:

staylor26 10-09-2018 03:55 PM

I wonder where we would play Reddick?

Inside next to Hitchens? Maybe put him on the edge some on passing downs?

pugsnotdrugs19 10-09-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13802960)
Hopefully this is right and not just him throwing shit at the wall because of the article in the OP.

He claims that he also reported the Watkins/Hitchens signings?

Idk, but this makes too much sense for us.

Sassy Squatch 10-09-2018 04:00 PM

Only Twitter name I'd trust is RedMamba707. That's the guy who had the Watkins signing perfect way before it was public.

O.city 10-09-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13802963)
I wonder where we would play Reddick?

Inside next to Hitchens? Maybe put him on the edge some on passing downs?

Just on the edge I'd hope.

He's not an ILB>

pugsnotdrugs19 10-09-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13802982)
Just on the edge I'd hope.

He's not an ILB>

He has the athleticism to cover backs. Idk I feel like maybe they’d use him there.

The Franchise 10-09-2018 04:09 PM

If they're looking to trade for him....then I'm assuming it's because they think that he can rotate between the ILB and OLB spots when they need him to.

staylor26 10-09-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13802982)
Just on the edge I'd hope.

He's not an ILB>

That’s what the Cardinals drafted him for, and where everybody was pegging him coming out (3-4 ILB).

I haven’t watched him at all, but I was under the impression that he wasn’t a fit in Wilks defense hence the trade talks. Was he a complete failure at 3-4 ILB before the scheme change?

carcosa 10-09-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13802977)
Only Twitter name I'd trust is RedMamba707. That's the guy who had the Watkins signing perfect way before it was public.

Somebody ask him!!!

TambaBerry 10-09-2018 04:11 PM

I'd cum in my pants if we got Reddick

The Franchise 10-09-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13803010)
That’s what the Cardinals drafted him for, and where everybody was pegging him coming out (3-4 ILB).

I haven’t watched him at all, but I was under the impression that he wasn’t a fit in Wilks defense hence the trade talks. Was he a complete failure at 3-4 ILB before the scheme change?

Who ****ing knows.....the Cardinals have barely used him since they drafted him.

staylor26 10-09-2018 04:14 PM

He’s currently PFF’s 13th ranked LB?

He must at least be having a solid year. Go ****ing get this guy now.

Mecca 10-09-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13802958)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To clarify, bucannons name was thrown into the conversation, so my opinion is, they would rather have Teddick but won’t pass on bucannon</p>&mdash; CHIEFS365 @CHIEFS #Chiefskingdom TO THE SB (@Chiefs365Com) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs365Com/status/1049776172702158848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That sounds to me like the Cardinals want someone to take Buchanon to get Reddick like if you want this young player with a good contract help us by taking the shitty one we want rid of.

Mecca 10-09-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13803018)
Who ****ing knows.....the Cardinals have barely used him since they drafted him.

He just isn't a fit there anymore, you hire a 4-3 guy when you have 3-4 personnel, what do you do with an undersized speed rusher? He can't play end...

The Franchise 10-09-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13803024)
That sounds to me like the Cardinals want someone to take Buchanon to get Reddick like if you want this young player with a good contract help us by taking the shitty one we want rid of.

Don't see how that would work. $8.7 million is fully guaranteed for this year.

Although they are going to lose $3 million in cap space just from trading Reddick.

Mecca 10-09-2018 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13803034)
Don't see how that would work. $8.7 million is fully guaranteed for this year.

Although they are going to lose $3 million in cap space just from trading Reddick.

You'd have to do some moving of money, if they could find it for Thomas they could do it here also.

The Franchise 10-09-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13803041)
You'd have to do some moving of money, if they could find it for Thomas they could do it here also.

My guess would be a Houston restructure. Which is fine considering that Buchanan is a FA after this year. Whatever gets Terrance Smith off the ****ing field is fine with me.

Mecca 10-09-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13803042)
My guess would be a Houston restructure. Which is fine considering that Buchanan is a FA after this year. Whatever gets Terrance Smith off the ****ing field is fine with me.

Something may be brewing since there is an open roster spot just sitting there now...

They also could view it as doing Buchanon a solid since he's been there so long to send him to a team with a chance.

Sassy Squatch 10-09-2018 04:24 PM

We would need 2 roster spots though. Just shitcan Terrance Smith?

staylor26 10-09-2018 04:24 PM

Sounds like the Cardinals have been using him similar to how we’re using Smith.

His high grade is likely because he’s doing a good job in coverage. We obviously need a guy that can cover inside on passing downs.

Mecca 10-09-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13803051)
We would need 2 roster spots though. Just shitcan Terrance Smith?

If you made that trade you'd just release Zombo.

Sassy Squatch 10-09-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13803054)
If you made that trade you'd just release Zombo.

Eh. Kind of makes it seem like that's not the trade in the works. Be pretty odd to sign him if you were already working on a trade for Bucannon amd Reddick.


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