Score one more for SOC...
 

Soren Petro just said firing Romeo is irrelevant. There's no reason to do it.

"The signs don't say 'Fire RAC', they say 'Fire Pioli'."

:bravo:

The thing is.....we all understand that if Pioli is fired, the rest of the turds will be scooped out and spread in a field too.

This.

Yep.

He just said it again - the only thing the fans will accept at this point is a complete housecleaning.

I wonder if Bad Guy is hearing anything from the inside. I'd imagine things inside Arrowhead or like Defcon 1

I'll be interested to see what starts coming out in the next few days from the guys here that have insider contacts (Frank, Boss, BRC, etc.)...

From what I'm hearing, some of the draconian tactics yesterday were mandated by Pioli, as if he's trying to protect his image going into the NEXT job.

Target cares about that shit?

we should mail the Pioli Document to Pioli.

mail about 10,000 copies to him.

petro just articulated the reason SOC has been a success

he said he now thinks, for the first time, that Pioli will be fired (in spite of probably having been extended) because "he is cancerous"

SOC made pioli cancerous...

Pioli has always been cancerous. SOC was just the CT scan.

What I was told was that some of the strong-arming was by order of Pioli himself.

The speculative part of it was that Pioli knew that it would further galvanize the Chiefs fanbase against him but at this point he doesn't care, because he knows he's done here. He's protecting future interests.

I don't know, I don't have great sources like some of the other guys do.

I'm sure Pioli has feelers out for his next job.


If he were to land in San Diego, how awesome would htat be.

I want him to run back to New England with his tail between his legs.

true

FYP

this x all the bananas in the world

I’d like to see him go to a division opponent so we can watch him **** them up for a while.

He's been cancerous, but he's metastasizing. His antics have made him much worse and the drastic measures he's been taking have made his ego/paranoia combo more obvious, even to those fans who have been denying it.

So htis, you are hearing that it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he is gone and he knows he's gone?

It's really just speculation.

That being said, there's just too much smoke at this point. I don't see any logical, reasonable way he keeps his job and nobody that I talk to does either...

Yeah.....if you're Clark....you can't trot these ****ers back out there next year. Not after yesterday. He has to know that if Pioli is back....he's going to lose out on a TON of ST sales.

I don't get why he still has a job as we speak. He should have been canned last night or this morning.

I really don't see how you bring anyone back at this point. Not just in the fans eyes, but everyone else in the NFL's eyes.


You bring back a front office from a 1-15 team? Nope

Too bad he can't go to Denver and shit all over that franchise.

This. I thought I would get my morning coffee, log on to CP and see:

"PIOLI FIRED!" about 6 times in the LLLLLLLLLounge.

Guess Clark just figures, we've already crashed and burned, what's the point in changing anything now.

I would really love to hear Clark reassure the fans that he's going to take care of business....pipe dreams I know, but one can wish...

It really doesn't serve any purpose to do it now when he really can't get serious about hiring a replacement until January.

I'm guessing Cassel gets released the same day Pioli is fired.

I have no doubt that the Golf Cart Gestapo was merely following orders from Pioli.

As for the rationale, that sounds like a bit of a stretch to me, to be honest. Purposefully and aggressively alienating the fan base doesn't seem like a job-seeking strategy of any sort whatsoever. It just sounds like a petty, egotistical, madman with Henry VIII Syndrome running wild.

FAX

Denver kicking our ass would put even more fuel to the fire.

Sure it does if Clark supposedly really cares what the fans think and the plan is to fire him after the season is over anyway. Never too early to start building some goodwill back.

If the last 2 home losses haven't done it then nothing will IMHO.

The fans will be happy whether Pioli is fired now or at the end of the season, as long as he's fired.

There's not one FUNCTIONAL reason to fire Pioli now. You'd be forced to finish the season with RAC or promote people from within the staff of the TWO GUYS YOU JUST FIRED.

It really wouldn't be that long anyways. What.....6 more games? 6 more times that we're embarrassed.

**** dumping this shit now. That will only cause us to possibly win more games before this season is over. I want the suck to continue.

Petro went on to say that if Pioli were fired today that all the arrows would be aimed at Clark, and Clark doesn't want or need that now. He further pointed out how that in KC, more than most other places, the gM is front and center, especially with an absentee owner. If Pioli really is done here, let him stick around and take his ass kickings until the end of the season, but the MINUTE the last game concludes, can his ass and anybody else's ass you want gone so you can start the search for a new GM and front office post haste.

I agree there maybe no Functional reason to fire him now but on the other side there will be no harm in doing it now. Other people can fill the void for the next 6 weeks.

I want RAC to finish the season so we can have a legit chance at the #1 pick.

Other people would fill the void. Other people already on this staff. Do you really want to see Head Coach Gary Gibbs?

There absolutely IS harm in doing it now. If you do a complete housecleaning, you have to go out and get a new GM and coaching staff mid-season. All of the good candidates are currently busy. Plus, you don't want your new staff to have the inevitable 5 or 6 losses and the associated stink of the rest of the 2012 season stuck to them. Let them start fresh in 2013.

This staff need to finish what the started. And then GTFO.

I think you misunderstood me. I just want Pioli fired the rest can stay until the end of the year. There would be no hires until the end of the season. You can have the Assistant GM do whatever is necessary to finish the season out.

But as others have said 6 weeks is not that far away so I guess it doesn't really matter that much unless you want to give fans hope and fill the stadium the rest of the year.

Why would you want to do that PRIOR to gutting the front office? Did we learn nothing from the whole Romeo fiasco?

Petro is asking if there is anything to be gained by firing the GM now? So here's the answer:

Yes. If Clark would fire Pioli now and hold a press conference, acknowledging the failings of the front office and therefore reasonable frustrations of the fans, while proclaiming that this will be solved and the organization will get healthy, fans would react very positively.

We all know the rest of the season is going to be a dumpster fire, but Pioli's blood would temporarily quell the need for someone's ass.

Could it be possible he's waiting to for the case against Pioli and his age discrimination bullshit? He was diposed on OCT 26 per 610

This makes sense... but Clark needs to share with the fans that he is unhappy and changes are on the horizon.

See my response in the other thread.

Other than appeasing the fans, what is the difference between Pioli finishing this season or one of his lackeys finish the season in the same exact fashion he would have?

Clark is waiting for sabans season to end before blowing up the news.

I want the mother f**ker gone now but at the same time it probably won't make a difference until the end of the season. Let Pioli stew in his mess for a little while longer!

The difference is that there are viable candidates to talk to right now, and this is what Clark should be doing. Target #1 should be--get ready with the pitchforks--Bill Cowher. Why? This franchise needs to be legitimized, and The Chin does this immediately.

Get Cowher in the wings. Work with him to find an appropriate match for GM and college scouting, and then focus in on trying to identify the franchise's next QB, which is the foundation.

In terms of PR, which is turning the situation in KC highly toxic, Pioli cannot be allowed to finish the season. He's made the situation completely untenable, and this might have more far-reaching effects than simply pissing off the fans.

Clark can talk to Cowher RIGHT NOW, without touching Pioli. Cowher isn't employed by another team.

So we're right back to the only reason being to appease the fans.

As much as the fans deserve to be appeased, there's no reason to be imprudent.

I am not understanding your point. The Panthers fired their GM several weeks ago there is no reason why Clark couldn't do that today.

After the season he will have to hire a new GM who will decide who stays and who goes.

yep

The people that tried to arrest me / make me stop told me DIRECTLY that Pioli was watching them and he was watching me.

I'm not sure how much more definitive you could be. Its why they refused to touch or hold a sign like it was a heavy plutonium isotope when I tried to hand one to them.

I honestly don't believe it would be imprudent. Not be a long shot. Clark simply cannot allow Pioli to continue to play mini-Hitler, while the Allied planes and ground troops carpet bomb Arrowhead with literal and metaphoric candy wrappers.

This situation is poised to go from toxic to explosive, and thus our beloved SMU dork has to get out in front of this thing.

From the other perspective, there is absolutely nothing gained by allowing Pioli to continue his fail campaign. He must go, and he must go now.

I could 100% see Cowher as the hiring. Hunt is going to want a HC that has pull and can put the fans back in their seats. Hiring an unknown out of the college ranks or an up and coming coordinator isn't going to do that.

Petro was just talking about Cowher and the people that he knows that are close to Cowher are saying he isn't going anywhere that doesn't have a top level QB.

So that rules out KC.

The power dynamic in Charlotte is much different than here. If you fire Pioli, everybody has to go with him. The whole franchise revolves around him. That wasn't the case in Carolina.

It really is a Nazi regime. Not only do you have the Golf Cart Gestapo giving you the yellow star treatment, you have Roleo performing a perfect Sgt. Schultz at every press conference with his "I know nothing" routine. Plus, there's a new, ginger, viking Joseph Goebbels in town to tell us how great we are.

I eagerly await the final solution in which Pioli decides to round up the fans and put them on a train to Omaha.

FAX

It might not be Cowher, but it's not going to be a gamble on a college coach or coordinator. This franchise must be rescued from the punchlines of late night comedians, and it's going to take a proven commodity to do this.

And this is exactly what Clark is going to have to pay handsomely to secure.

The rest of this season is going to be nothing but failure. You don't want to saddle your new GM with that stink.

The history of the NFL is littered with guys that failed because they inherited a bad situation.

The new guy needs to be able to make a clean break, in January.

Think with your head, not your heart.

On top of being an incompetent GM, Pioli truly seems like he is seriously mentally ill. He'll never work in this league again other than picking up the Krafts' dry cleaning.

meh..They could get by for the short term. Just my .02 cents

This is where it's really ****ed up.


There are no checks and balances so to say for the guy. He was given ultimate power over the franchise, really, without proving he deserved it. Now it's getting really bad at 1 Arrowhead, because it's full of yes men.

I'm as interested in "getting by" as I am in the Chiefs W/L record the rest of 2012.

We can "get by" with the guys we have and in the process secure a shiny #1 overall pick for the new regime.

It seems that a lot of people have elected to ignore or avoid this sad truth, but Mr. BlackBob may have been correct.

I'm 100% convinced that Pioli is emotionally disturbed. Sunday removed all lingering doubt.

He's nuts, man. There's reality and then there's the stuff rattling around in Pioli's skull.

FAX

Seems he's more interested in things other than football right now.



Great job SOC. We got him on the ropes.

No argument there.

It's already begun...

http://www.kcchiefs.org/chiefstravel

So I don't know alot about the structure of the things around Pioli, but say he is fired. What all do you do? Who all is getting replaced?

Obviously you will need a new HC, OC, DC etc.


But what else will be replaced?

Everyone from Pioli down.

I agree and have said as much more than just a few times.

I wonder if Gailey would be open to returning as BCs offensive coordinator if he gets the axe in Buffalo.

Cowher immediately improves the defense by running the exact scheme these guys are made for and could win quickly with a qb like Geno Smith.

The entire scouting department for one, which Pioli gutted and replaced with a bunch of yes-men instead of actual scouts.

When/if he gets the axe, I wouldn't mind bringing in Rex as the DC.

I'm not asking to have a new GM in place now. Currently, there's zero leadership from Pioli, and thus ridding the organization of him will not negatively affect the team's performance or organizational operations.

There are only positives because firing Pioli would truly "change the culture" and return the team to the fans.

No thanks.

I'd rather have a traditional OC that can develop QBs rather than an unconventional OC that can develop gimmicks...

So you're suggesting that Hunt fire him and just leave the front office VACANT?

That doesn't make any sense.

EVERY person at 1 Arrowhead Drive is a Pioli lackey. EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

So the only way you TRULY get rid of him is to fire EVERYONE and get somebody from outside of the organization. And that person gets to start their stint as GM by losing 6 straight to end the season. That's borderline reeruned, I'm sorry.

This idea that you fire Pioli and "return the team to the fans" makes for a great Lifetime movie but it isn't grounded real firmly in reality.

We can't bring back coaches who are already heavy with the stench of KC losses.

If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?

Over the next six weeks, what do you truly believe Pioli will do or can accomplish that is productive? As for who could step up in a temporary role, Ray Farmer.

Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.

Absolutely agree.

I dont think htis thinks he will do anything productive or even try at this point and as we witnessed last year, temporary roles can lead to bad things.

Such as? Like Pioli-level bad? Oh...