I think it's gonna be Barkley.
 

I think that Smith has more obvious physical ability, but there are real questions about offensive system he's in and his performance against real competition.

Barkley's a good bet to at least be a solid NFL QB. Intangibles are all there, and he's run a pro style offense for 4 years.

I think people are making too big of a deal about his arm being weak; it's not weak, it's just not elite. He's super accurate, though.

Charles Barkley?

Mobility could be an issue.

Mark Sanchez 2

okay sounds good

hey gang,

Meh I think mobility is a plus but certainly still not a requirement.

Look at Eli Manning or Tom Brady.

Don't get me wrong. If a guy has some? Great. But it's not imperative.

****. That.

I agree.

I think Barkley will be a fine QB. Everytime CP wants to rip Barkley, i think back to the year Ryan was drafted. A lot of people were against drafting him for the same reasons they are against drafting Barkley.

Personally, I prefer Wilson, but i think Barkley is safer and Smith has the most talent.

Mobility & scrambling ability are not one in the same.

Right now my preference would be:

1. Wilson
2. Smith
3. Barkley

I don't know how to feel about Barkley. USC QBs scare the shit out of me. The last few have been awful pros. Sanchez, Leinart, Booty. Palmer has been solid and turned in a few good seasons.

Different people. Different coaches. Different teams.

I know what you mean, but the guy has some good qualities. Most importantly, he seems mature.

Whatever QB we draft, has to be mentally tough.

That's why i like Wilson.

He needs to respond in the face of adversity and not crack under the pressure of leading a bad team.

He will inherit a seemingly bad team with little offensive weapons and a rabid fan base that is desperate for results.

He will have to come in and fix an offense that is the worst the NFL as seen since 1929.

That's a tall order, and it will require one tough SOB

this.

Agree. Definitely a difference.

But I'd say Tom Brady is just about as immobile as it gets. He still manages.

I just don't think mobility will be an issue for Barkley.

Smith and Wilson are better under pressure than Barkley.

I dont think so either. All three are young with fresh legs and can move around in the pocket. Though i think Smith really needs to work on his pocket awareness.

I disagree.

I think production under pressure is Smith's biggest concern.

If Geno is there we will draft him.

Don't be so sure. We won't know till the Senior Bowl.

1. Geno
2. Barkley
3. Wilson

Barkley is surrounded by much better talent than Geno, and Geno is still out-performing Barkley. If Geno's gone, fine but if he's there, he's the easy pick over Barkley.

Watch the Stanford clips and even Syracuse this year. Barkley's system protects him a lot. Against Syracuse I'd say 70% of his passes were 2 yards down field or less. He makes some boneheaded plays under pressure.

I doubt Smith plays in the senior bowl if he's projected to be a first round pick.

I'd be okay with any of the three, but I think that for a franchise that hasn't taken a QB in round 1 for 30 years Barkley is the best bet.

I think his mobility is fine. He's not a statue. I think his arm strength is fine, but I really like his accuracy, decision making, and reputation as a high intangibles guy. Little chance of him 'Leafing out'. I think Matt Ryan is a good comparison.

Don't tell me you wouldn't take Matt Ryan.

This is a weird year for QBs for me. As long as the Chiefs get one of the 3, I'll be happy. But I feel like they're all so different.

Matt Barkley - Safest bet IMO. Seems like your standard pure pocket NFL passer. Average NFL arm. Not bad. But average.
(but has Marqise Lee to throw to)

Tyler Wilson - Tough. I think possibly strongest arm.
(Who's Tyler throwing to?)

Geno Smith - Overall highest upside skill set wise.
(but has Tavon Austin to throw to)

take your pick.

They both have a pretty damn good WR who bails them out.

It's to early for me to say who is the better QB. I'd rather wait till have all the information and see them perform in their Bowls before i give my definitive answer on who's best.

Right now, i prefer Wilson, but i don't KNOW that he's the better candidate.

Why is the Matt Ryan comparison more accurate than comparing him to Sanchez or Leinert?

Pocket Presence, ability to read a defense and accuracy is a must for whomever we draft.

if we get that and get rid of Cassel i'm a happy camper.

I've watched plenty of both or them (though i will re-watch again and again im sure) and i recall Geno having the same issues. Geno also throws a lot of short stuff that his WR's take for big gainers.

And i see more of that in Barkley and Wilson than i do Smith.

This past saturday i watched Smith miss wide open throws downf ield and nearly give the game away on a would be interception.

The guy needs work.

Once again, i don't see a clear cut winner yet.

Sanchez was a 1 year starter.

Barkley hasn't had nearly the hype Leinart did but I could understand someone making a comparison there.

And then when you compare Barkley to Leinart, it's pretty clear that one is vastly more mature than the other.

Both Barkley and Smith benefit from YAC but that is because they put the ball in the perfect spot for the receiver to keep on going. No matter how open someone is, if the QB isn't very accurate there won't be those long pass plays with the receiver breaking it after the catch.

Oh i agree.

All the more reason we need to draft one and get rid of Cassel.

It doesn't matter which one you get if all you're looking for is an upgrade.

Sanchez started one year and left early. Not much in common other than the system.

Leinert-nothing in common other than the system. Lefty, even less arm strength, not nearly as accurate, not a dedicated student of the game, lack of film study really showed up in the NFL. Intangibles sucked.

Matt Ryan-all the intangibles are there, similar arm, from a similar system. Ryan has shown a similar skillset and mental makeup being successful in the NFL. Ryan is a good picture of upside. I think a pre-shoulder injury Pennington would be the floor. Either is a drastic improvement.

All that being said, I'm not saying I think he's better than Smith or Wilson, just that I think he'll be the pick for a gunshy franchise.

Just me, but I prefer Barkley. Four year starter, has improved every year, pro style offense, etc. I'd be fine with any of the top three though.

Barkley isn't even good enough to have a great season with a team stacked with talent. I want a QB that makes a team better than it is.

Very well could be. Barkley has "safe" written all over him.

Is the team stacked with talent, or is Barkley making the talent around him better?

Tom Brady doesn't scramble, but his pocket mobility is the best I've seen since Terry Bradshaw.

No one glides in the pocket to avoid pressure better.

2011 wasn't a great year for him?

Okay I digress. Before this stems off into Tom Brady talk etc.

Do you think Matt Barkley's pocket mobility will be an issue? Neither do I.

Seriously.

Smith's pocket awareness is better than any of the others.

The problem is that he is under pressure as soon as he recieves the snap against these better defenses he has faced in the last 3 games.

He has to move before he even has a chance to set up in the pocket.

I think Barkley is going to be a very good NFL QB.

I think that both Wilson and Smith have higher ceilings.

I won't complain about drafting any of those three.

agree 100%

You just described Barkley the same guy you bashed earlier in the thread you moron and your avatar looks like some Burger King knock off.

i havent watched a lot of Barkley/USC but if he has all that i'd be ok with him and i'm anti-USC as far as QB's go.

Certainly. I was just saying I could see why someone could compare the two, but it doesn't really work for me.

Bray will without a doubt be the best QB out of this class when they all retire from the nfl in 15-20 years.

Maybe best physical tools but we don't even know if he'll end up declaring or not.

I think he could use another year so at this point he's dead to me. I don't think he's NFL ready.

go fist your mama

This.

Ive been watching alot of wilson on youtube. I know its not the best way to judge but theres full games of every pass hes thrown.

He reminds me alot of favre. Hes going to be the kind of quarterback that will win alot of games for you, but will lose a few as well. I bet he can be a 4000yd/35td/15int consistently in the pros. Hes got an awkward throwing motion, but hes tough as nails, and has gobs of arm strength. I think i like him because he takes chances.

Hes the quarterback I want.

No, Lt. Barkley

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nlbwRNBfa7...00/320x240.jpg

The Lane Kiffen connection is scary. When he was USC's WR coach, all of their WRs busted in the pros. When he was the OC, the QBs, WRs, and RBs busted.

Whatever he touches seems to go bad imo.

1. Wilson
2. Smith
3. Barkley

Not a very charismatic leader. He's nothing without that alien that gives him super-being intelligence

Also, when he started sucking, fans would call him Matt Broccoli.

I was all for Barkley until USC got busted for deflating the footballs because he likes a flat ball to grip. This makes me worried that he has small hands and can't grip a fully inflated football that well. I dont know, just something I worry about now and would rather go Geno.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon...balls/1691303/

Lee's the player you want from USC. Barkley's just kind of there.

Barkley: 64.8 CMP%, 33 TD, 13 INT

Geno: 71.3 CMP%, 31 TD, 3 INT

Barkley's OL and surrounding cast is much better, he receives more protection and has more time to throw, and the teams he faced are about as tough or maybe slightly easier than the teams Geno faced. Geno is out-performing him. Geno also looks better. He has to make a decision quicker, and he makes fewer mistakes. The only concern is if Geno can adapt to an NFL offense.

Other than that, it really doesn't look like a tough decision to me. I wouldn't be pissed with Barkley, but I'm not picking him over Geno.

I watch a lot of SC games and Barkley is good theres no doubt about it. In the right system I think he could do very well.

If we pick a QB at #1 (and we better draft one), it will be Barkley. He was projected to be a Top 10 if not a Top 5 pick last year in a class with Luck and RGIII. He has done nothing to lose ground, so he should easily be the #1 pick if it is us drafting first.

Geno's numbers are little schewed by the non-conference games which were off the wall.

He is 67% in Big 12.
Barkley is 64% in PAC-12.

What's Wilson's SEC #'s?

To be fair his year this year isn't on the same level of the #s he put up last year.

Coming into this year everybody was salivating over Tyler Wilson. Now people arn't so sure.

I'm just saying I don't think it's so clear cut.

I like Barkley but I expect come pro workout day when he's being evaluated vs the physical talents of Wilson & Smith, I think they'll make up some ground on him.

61%

61% Completion, 10 TD, 6 INTs.

I don't think it's clear cut who's better either, and I'll be happy with either of the three as long as the new GM/Coaching staff/system is a good fit for their skillset. However, I think for a franchise that's been too chickenshit to draft a QB, Barkley looks like the no brainer choice. He's not likely to bust.

Just pick one. Maybe it's because I've seen more of him, but I like Wilson. I think I'll give Barkley the nod over Smith just because of the style of offense he plays in. Also take a late round flyer on Jordan Rodgers from Vanderbilt.

Thats true, but Geno still has only 3 picks

I say take Barkley or Geno at 1 and i'm hoping we trade back up into the first and grab a big target for our new qb to work with. We all know Bowe is gone.

Or if we can manage to trade back up high enough to grab millner and then take a wr with our next pick. But that probably won't happen..

Barkley has had some bad games this year, for sure. If he had come out last year, he'd have definitely been the 3rd QB in the Top Ten, if not the Top Five.

Word on the street here is that Lane Kiffin is a goner. Pat Haden and USC believe that Barkley has regressed and not improved this year and to them, the blame lies with Lane Kiffin. Their defense is absolutely loaded with talent but they're playing an antiquated scheme.

The bottom line is that Barkley is a mature young man with four years as a starting QB at a Top 25 school. He has all of the immeasurables you'd want in a QB including strong leadership and great character (in addition to respect of his teammates) and he's not lacking in any measurables. Sure, more arm strength would be nice but he's certainly not lacking in arm strength.

He'll need to go to a team willing to tailer a WCO offense around his skills and if so, should be a very good NFL QB. Unlike Sanchez and Leinart, Barkley LOVES football.

That said, I think it's silly to make any determination now. Wait until after bowl season, after the Combines and after a new GM and coaching staff is in place.

This, over and over.

Clean house, hire a new GM and coaching staff, let the HC & OC build the playbook, then and only then choose a QB in the 1st round.

He's an undrafted free agent unless a team with an extra 7th round pick wants him and see him as a long term developmental QB.

He has a long, long, long way to go before he's a NFL QB.

Not wanting Barkley because he's another USC QB is as dumb as not wanting Rodgers cause he was a Tedford guy. Each prospect should be measured individually and by their own merits. Barkley would be a damn fine selection on draft day.

They should just draft Steele JantzROFL

Barkley, Geno, Tyler Wilson...just get me one of them and get rid of Cassel. I really like Geno the best though.