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Chiefspants 07-28-2011 02:38 AM

Opeth unveils a new song from their next album Heritage
 
http://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-th...ng-the-chapel/

I have not a clue how to process this song at the present time, it definitely has the most exotic feel out of any Opeth song I have ever heard.

First impressions-
-I like it, I think.
-Every member had a chance to shine, Axenrot easily put in his most impressive drumming performance to date, Mendez came in with an exotic bass line in the latter parts of the track, the keyboards were quite jazzy and unique, and Fredrik had an incredible solo at the end of the song.
-Mikael’s vocals and creativity seem to have reached a new level with this track.

I will definitely be listening to this track throughout the night to further develop my opinions, but I must say, I am impressed at the first listen. I cannot wait for the rest of the album, if this the single from Heritage, imagine the content of the rest of the tracks!

QuikSsurfer 07-28-2011 06:11 AM

ehhhhhhhhhh

Reaper16 07-28-2011 07:06 AM

It's actually got guest percussion and flute. Swedish flautists Bjorn Jason Linsdh appears, and Alex Acuņa, the drummer for WEATHER REPORT, plays drums here (which is why the drumming on this song sounds so much closer to Martin Lopez' play than whay Axenrot usually plays).

Molitoth 07-28-2011 07:23 AM

I love it, then again I'm a huge fan of Mikael’s clean style vocal.

asdf 07-28-2011 11:42 AM

Very cool....love the old school fusion influence - I'll definitely get the album when it's released

Demonpenz 07-28-2011 11:51 AM

I can really hear the Sugarbomb influence in there.

Chiefspants 07-28-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7780254)
It's actually got guest percussion and flute. Swedish flautists Bjorn Jason Linsdh appears, and Alex Acuņa, the drummer for WEATHER REPORT, plays drums here (which is why the drumming on this song sounds so much closer to Martin Lopez' play than whay Axenrot usually plays).

I actually wondered if Acuņa played on this track as well, but I found an interview with Mikael that revealed that he is only featured on the song "Famine," What were your impressions of the song, Reaper?

Mama Hip Rockets 07-28-2011 12:29 PM

This is awful. Opeth fans are so jaded by their obsession with the band that they can't admit it, but this seriously sucks. If you have to listen to it 6 or 7 times to decide whether you like it or not, that usually means it's not good.

vailpass 07-28-2011 12:45 PM

*shudder*

Reaper16 07-28-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 7780830)
I actually wondered if Acuņa played on this track as well, but I found an interview with Mikael that revealed that he is only featured on the song "Famine," What were your impressions of the song, Reaper?

Hmm. Stereogum lied to their readership then.

My impressions? I like it, I guess. It sounds like an Opeth song; sort of derivative in that sense. I don't wanna' analyze it until I can listen to it in the context of the full album.

Chiefspants 07-28-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 7780951)
This is awful. Opeth fans are so jaded by their obsession with the band that they can't admit it, but this seriously sucks. If you have to listen to it 6 or 7 times to decide whether you like it or not, that usually means it's not good.

Haha, I am unsure about that, a good portion of fans on the Opethforum are quite alienated by the release. However, I am excited that the band is at least attempting to go in this new direction, as much as many of their fans would have loved a re-hash of Still Life, they are experimenting with a style that they have always wanted create, and I believe there is something to be admired in that.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-28-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 7781112)
Haha, I am unsure about that, a good portion of fans on the Opethforum are quite alienated by the release. However, I am excited that the band is at least attempting to go in this new direction, as much as many of their fans would have loved a re-hash of Still Life, they are experimenting with a style that they have always wanted create, and I believe there is something to be admired in that.

90% of the comments on facebook are like "OMG THIS IS SO ****ING INCREDIBLE!!!!"

Reaper16 07-28-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 7781137)
90% of the comments on facebook are like "OMG THIS IS SO ****ING INCREDIBLE!!!!"

The people that comment on official Facebook fan pages, of anything, are never the most discerning, objective individuals. I mean, it wouldn't be pretty if all Chiefs fans were generalized out of the behavior of the people who comment on the Chiefs official FB page.

asdf 07-28-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 7780951)
This is awful. Opeth fans are so jaded by their obsession with the band that they can't admit it, but this seriously sucks. If you have to listen to it 6 or 7 times to decide whether you like it or not, that usually means it's not good.

meh - to each their own - though I agree that some "fans" will like anything their beloved bands release, even if it's crap. I never really cared for Opeth in the past except for a couple of tunes. I'm certainly not a "fan". I just happen to like fusion/progressive music. This song, more than the others I've heard by them, appeals to me on that level...

Chiefspants 07-28-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7781145)
The people that comment on official Facebook fan pages, of anything, are never the most discerning, objective individuals. I mean, it wouldn't be pretty if all Chiefs fans were generalized out of the behavior of the people who comment on the Chiefs official FB page.

Totally, I cannot tell you how many CASSEL IS THE BEST comments I have seen on the chiefs official page.

Molitoth 07-28-2011 03:38 PM

While I hold Opeth in high respect, my opinion comes not from Homerism.
Opeth's - Damnation was my favorite album of theirs, so this album will very well appeal to me.

As a singer myself, I am attracted to a beautiful, crisp, and clear voice coming from the mic... and with death metal growls, I cannot acheive this sense. They do not take much skill, they do not take a lot of melody to use, and you can barely understand the lyrics... which is another issue I am critical of.

Music is all just subjective to the listener, and for one I am glad a greatly talented band such as Opeth are going to put out something that caters to someone with a more experienced ear for clean vocals. Which is something the metal genre's need more of imo.

chasedude 07-28-2011 03:44 PM

I'm not much of an Opeth fan but thought I'd give it a listen to at least. Except it's already been pulled by youtube. Anyone else know where I can find it?

Chiefspants 07-28-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chasedude (Post 7781762)
I'm not much of an Opeth fan but thought I'd give it a listen to at least. Except it's already been pulled by youtube. Anyone else know where I can find it?

Ah, sorry about that, Here you are!

http://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-th...ng-the-chapel/

chasedude 07-28-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 7781843)
Ah, sorry about that, Here you are!

http://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-th...ng-the-chapel/

Not you're fault, youtube and copyright bullshit.

Thanks for the link!

Reaper16 07-28-2011 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7781726)
Music is all just subjective to the listener, and for one I am glad a greatly talented band such as Opeth are going to put out something that caters to someone with a more experienced ear for clean vocals. Which is something the metal genre's need more of imo.

"experienced ear for clean vocals" LMAO that's about the most self-interested way to phrase a preference I've seen in a long time.

Seriously though, metal needs more clean vocals? There are plenty of bands that do great clean vocals. Plenty. Unless you're insisting that the subgenres that utilize harsh vocals begin to produce bands that use clean vocals. To that end, I'd ask 'why?' There's a bit more room in black metal for clean vocals, but those bands have to be heavily influenced by folk or post-rock or etc. to make it work (basically, then need to be Agalloch worshippers). Clean vocals in pure or Technical death metal would be awful; the harsh vocals are utilized in DM because the vocals are a rhythm instrument in that subgenre.

KCUnited 07-28-2011 05:14 PM

Nothing like a clean vocal verse to really hammer home a song about botched surgeries, shark attacks, nuclear holocaust, and corpse fornication.

Ace Gunner 07-28-2011 05:36 PM

I'm an Opeth fan, I think it's just okay. It reminds me of late seventies alternative music, as I would call it. I'm more into the death metal stuff they do, but I like their renaissance stylings and euro progressions also. This is not that. Thx for putting this thread out.

Ace Gunner 07-28-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7781726)
While I hold Opeth in high respect, my opinion comes not from Homerism.
Opeth's - Damnation was my favorite album of theirs, so this album will very well appeal to me.

As a singer myself, I am attracted to a beautiful, crisp, and clear voice coming from the mic... and with death metal growls, I cannot acheive this sense. They do not take much skill, they do not take a lot of melody to use, and you can barely understand the lyrics... which is another issue I am critical of.

Music is all just subjective to the listener, and for one I am glad a greatly talented band such as Opeth are going to put out something that caters to someone with a more experienced ear for clean vocals. Which is something the metal genre's need more of imo.

how can death metal play out the way you explain it should? I don't think you can have that edge, that sloth, the sound of disaster without the growls & screams, shrieks etc.

Dio style stuff is what you want, maybe. Or, something else, but death metal genre is all about the sound of satanic overtaking and the wicked. It must sound brutal and there is nothing more brutal than the sound of evil.

It would be like taking the swirling flanger effects off 'darth vader' and just hearing JE Jones normally. It would be okay, perhaps, but it wouldn't have near the effect it had in the film. Evil sounds unworldly.

Chiefspants 07-28-2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7782060)
"experienced ear for clean vocals" LMAO that's about the most self-interested way to phrase a preference I've seen in a long time.

Seriously though, metal needs more clean vocals? There are plenty of bands that do great clean vocals. Plenty. Unless you're insisting that the subgenres that utilize harsh vocals begin to produce bands that use clean vocals. To that end, I'd ask 'why?' There's a bit more room in black metal for clean vocals, but those bands have to be heavily influenced by folk or post-rock or etc. to make it work (basically, then need to be Agalloch worshippers). Clean vocals in pure or Technical death metal would be awful; the harsh vocals are utilized in DM because the vocals are a rhythm instrument in that subgenre.

On the subject of clean vocals in Black Metal, have you ever heard of the band Ulver?

Ace Gunner 07-28-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7782060)
"experienced ear for clean vocals" LMAO that's about the most self-interested way to phrase a preference I've seen in a long time.

Seriously though, metal needs more clean vocals? There are plenty of bands that do great clean vocals. Plenty. Unless you're insisting that the subgenres that utilize harsh vocals begin to produce bands that use clean vocals. To that end, I'd ask 'why?' There's a bit more room in black metal for clean vocals, but those bands have to be heavily influenced by folk or post-rock or etc. to make it work (basically, then need to be Agalloch worshippers). Clean vocals in pure or Technical death metal would be awful; the harsh vocals are utilized in DM because the vocals are a rhythm instrument in that subgenre.

I didn't see your post before I wrote the comments above. Good explanation - I especially appreciate the view you have on "harsh vocals as a rhythm" as opposed to carrying out melody.

Reaper16 07-28-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 7782204)
On the subject of clean vocals in Black Metal, have you ever heard of the band Ulver?

Of course! I've heard their whole discography. I prefer their early stuff, but they're so unique that it is always worth giving each new Ulver album a few listens.

Molitoth 07-28-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7782060)
"experienced ear for clean vocals" LMAO that's about the most self-interested way to phrase a preference I've seen in a long time.

I realize I may have sounded like an ass with that comment, but how that meant to come across was that I have an experienced ear for clean vocals. By experienced I mean that I've listened to a ton of different music over the last 10 years, and in depth... I'm by far not your average radio listener. I do admit that I've listened to very little metal sub-genre bands with consistant growls, because to me it is an instant turn-off. I do understand the reasoning behind growling in certain metal genre's and I respect that some people find beauty in it, I'm just saying that I do not.


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Seriously though, metal needs more clean vocals? There are plenty of bands that do great clean vocals. Plenty.
What I mean is that I am glad that opeth is doing something that a lot of metal bands don't do... which is make something suited for a different type of listener.

But yes please Reaper, fill me in with some talented metal bands with a cleaner style vocal for me to give a try. I'm always open for good tunes I haven't heard.

And sorry for coming across an ass. I had a much more subtle response originally and my webpage crashed, so I was annoyed when I posted the second time around.

Reaper16 07-28-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7782901)
But yes please Reaper, fill me in with some talented metal bands with a cleaner style vocal for me to give a try. I'm always open for good tunes I haven't heard.

Just looking through some playlists on my iPod, mostly band's who have put out albums in the last three years, in roughly alphabetical order:
Angra, (newer) Amorphis, Ark, Blind Guardian, Briton Rites, Celesty, Cage, Cloudscape, Devin Townsend, Enforcer, Falconer, Heathen, Hell, (newer) Katatonia, Pain of Salvation, The Lord Weird Slough Feg, Lost Horizon, Manticora, Symphony X, Wolverine, Voltax... the list goes on and on. So many sweet progressive metal bands and power metal bands and doom metal bands and heavy metal bands use only clean vocals.

KCUnited 07-28-2011 09:31 PM

1st lesson of Metal: No one gives one **** how long you've been listening. Accentuating only confirms poser status.

Stick to what you know, which is fringe Metal music.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-29-2011 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7782901)
fill me in with some talented metal bands with a cleaner style vocal for me to give a try. I'm always open for good tunes I haven't heard.


http://youtu.be/NBdICUT50vA

Molitoth 09-06-2011 08:28 AM

PS: this has leaked.

Personally I'm enjoying it.

Molitoth 09-06-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 7785166)

Do like man! thanks!

Stanley Nickels 09-06-2011 09:20 AM

I've got the whole album posted in the "Now Playing" thread, if you're interested

NewChief 01-17-2013 12:46 PM

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Mama Hip Rockets 01-19-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7881563)
Do like man! thanks!

Just now saw this. Glad you like it!


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