don't think so, thanks.
my sleep is ****ed up enough w/dreams, walking and talking. if i take something, i want it to knock me out. no dreams at all(that i can remember).
it just interests me when i hear of people talking about their dreams.

like sbg said, the mind is a powerful entity.
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Can you sleep less, or do you still have to sleep the same number of hours?

Not really.

You know exactly what it means.

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People claim that is the case. Not for me. I tried getting 5 hours only on the ZMA and I was pretty dead the next morning. It doesn't help you fall asleep either, just gives you a deeper sleep. As far as it being a placebo or hoax, I read a study that it has minimal effect on men's testosterone levels, which it is sometimes marketed for. However, a simple Google search should pretty much put away any doubts that one has about its positive effects on sleep.

Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.

Have you reached level 4 yet? What did you use as your kick to wake up?

ZMA really works, and has been proven to. It's not placebo.

It's not so much that it makes you sleepy, but it relaxes your mind which allow you to fall asleep easier.

No joke I woke up freaking out because I was under arrest, was dehydrated, and the cop was making me drink milk. I don't consume sugars so it freaked me out.

I woke up and my mouth was super dry.

It made my pee turn green.

...if you are deficient in zinc or magnesium

BTW buck...I haven't seen many posts from you lately? What happened?

Work 5 am- 3:30 pm everyday. Then I lift after work til 6ish 3 days a week. I'm usually here on the weekends though.

I'm not taking anything where the creators can't spell the acronym of their own product correctly. :p

Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.