Pick #33. Round 2. What to do?
 

I'm thinking we are going to get some first round talent slip to us at this pick.

Which position would you draft in the 2nd? Assuming that we picked up a QB in round one? Receiver?

WR

Speed WR

Mascot

pick someone

I'm thinking there may be an opp to sneak back up in the 1st and grab someone

CB, S or a top talent that slips.

There are a lot of scenarios. This question is like a diaper because it depends.

CB, DL

BPA

That is probably where we pick our QB.

Tyler Wilson /reTodd McShay

1. WR
2. CB
3. FS

This,

If we don't pick a QB with our 1st pick...maybe Geno and Barkley go off the board first and we are able to trade up a few spots to snag Wilson. :clap:

BOOM!

/ME

this

CB

This board is really fascinating.

Three years ago it was BPA no matter what...and it was blasphemy to draft for need.

Now?

You draft the BPA at the position of need no matter what.

I think...I think it's BPA OTHER than QB if you need a QB then it is BQBA.

Tavon Austin.

Three years ago the rule was still:

If you don't have a franchise QB and a potential franchise prospect is available, you take the QB all the time, every time. No matter what.

This team has got to focus on scoring points!

If you hit on the QB, the point scoring will change.


I'd venture to say the lowest scoring offenses each year are the teams with the shittiest QB situations.

Pretty obvious.

Some guy on 610 at 7:30 says to take Teo or Jones at #1, then trade for Alex Smith. Somehow that = problem fixed.

Alot of the people you hear on those stations calling in aren't as tuned in as we are. They don't care that we dind't draft Trent or Elvis etc., hell they probably don't even know.


They remember how good we got by trading for a guy. They don't remember that it didn't last long and dind't amount to much.

Alex Smith is gonna fall right on his face without Harbaugh.

Corner

Round 1: QB
Round 2: QB
Round 3: QB
Round 4: QB
Round 5: QB
Round 6: QB
Round 7: QB


Throw them all in a pile and say: "One of you sons of bitches is gonna save this franchise. Now let's get it on!"

Yeah I agree. It seems like the callers on the shows are somehow the dumbest people they could find. But this wasn't just a caller, the host at 7:30 agreed. Not that he matters either. He's really no different than any dumb caller.

This.

Yet some idiots think Harbaugh "fixed" Smith, and now he can magically go anywhere else and be just as successful. Yeah good luck with that.

They just want the Chiefs back to the 90's Chiefs. Like it's been said on here, alot of Chiefs fans just want Arrowhead to be what it once was and the Chiefs to be good enough to get it back to that.


CP is the 1%.

You know this isn't a bad pick if this team had it's QB and Bowe was committed to being a #1 WR (and is paid) and a coaching staff knew what the hell they were doing with the rest of the talent already on this team hence... Moeaki,Baldwin and Breaston. If these guys are gone or aren't utilized properly again, then we need to draft a WR.

I'd like to see Xavier Rhodes fall into the second round.


Geno
Rhodes
Best WR left
FS
DL


Would be a way to go.

That's essentially where brees was picked

Is that why the board consensus was HELL NO to Matt Ryan?

If we take Geno in the first, then why not take Austin. Austin might still be a 1st round guy. Too early to say... But if the guy was about 2 inches taller, he'd no question be a 1st round guy.

Like I've said before, he reminds me a lot of a shorter Percy Harvin in the way he can be used on the field. He's extremely fast. Can play WR, HB (great 3rd down back), and would be an electric KR/PR if nothing else. Aside from injury Austin is as sure of a thing as can be IMO. Playmakers are never overvalued.

at this point, briefly seeing and reading about all of the QB prospects...it's really Geno or bust at #1 for me.

He fits the mold of the "new age" QB and from what I read he's a hard worker and a film guy as well, with all of the atheticism to boot.

If we had a QB like Geno Smith in the 90s, we would have had a chance to win championships.

So we pray that Aaron Murray is there.

someone who sucks

Once you have your franchise QB, drafting becomes alot easier.


You can take more flyer picks and aren't really handicapped into picks. You can set your board and just sit and see what happens.

I haven't paid a ton of attention to your opinion on Smith, but how certain are you in him being a great, franchise QB?

If we had an offense that could consistently score 20 points we could have contended for championships.

Yea that was a fun party wasn't it? And someone made a ton of money.
But ya just always had that feeling it wasn't gonna be quite good enough.

We need to avoid the coach that just wants to keep it close going into the 4th Quarter so we just got a chance. :banghead:

for Christ's sake if we take Geno at #1 and Murray is there at #34 and we take him to sign me the **** up...what's the worst that happens? Geno explodes and we turn around and trade Murray in 3 years for a good pick?

BPA.

Personally, if a highly rated guy who can play he 3-tech falls, I'd take him over a WR or DB.

Those would be my next 2 options though.

Austin is a very similar player to Dexter McCluster...except he has much better long speed.

I bet their shuttle/bench and other measurable at the combine are comparable.

People clown on Dexters 40 time, but not too often praise him for his elite shuttle time (4.06) and bench (for a man his size, 22 reps is pretty damn good)

True

I'm not opposed to doing whatever necessary to trade back into the back half of the 1st and taking Murray and taking Geno 1st. One of those two will be a star. And potentially both. Plus it will build immediate competition. Geno wouldn't get a free pass as #1 QB right away.

Yea in the 90's. Today, we better be able to score 30+ in the playoffs to beat NE, Balt, Houston or Denver and the Pack, Falcons or G-Men in the SB.

Ball handling, vision with the ball, hands, and his muscle mass all trumps Dexter. If anything, people will be calling Dexter a poor mans Tavon Austin in about 2 years.

take 3 god damn QB's next draft for all I care

****, they'll be saying that when Austin steps on the field.

I still don't think we have a necessary need at WR unless Bowe is gone...these receivers don't have a god damn shot in the world with the play we have at QB.

Look at Indy last year with Painter and shit at QB...all those guys sucked and Reggie Wayne clearly "lost a step."

Look at what guys like Donny Avery and T.Y. Hilton are doing with Luck (and Wayne is back to full beast mode)...

I think Dexter and Baldwin still have a shot to be good, sorry for alerting Clay to this thread so he can muddy it up.

I'm down to take that WVU WR at #2 if he's there. Geno will like some continuity for sure. What's his name? Austin or something?

Not really.


If you can put up 24 plus in the playoffs, you have a damn great shot at winning.

There are no certainties, but the kid has every single tool you look for and if he is coached properly, he WILL be a premier QB in the league. Top ten. Once the old guard (Brady, Manning, Brees, ETC) hangs em up he will rise up into the top five.

Tools that are elite:

poise
vision
accuracy
elusiveness in the pocket
anticipation
ball placement
intelligence

Tools that are very good:

arm strength
mobility
leadership
preparation
size
command of multiple offenses

With all of the guys tools, I simply don't see a way he busts in the NFL and that he has a high chance of being an elite quarterback.

I think the guy has taken the heat for opposing teams figuring out a West Virginia team that runs a simplified offense that has a weak offensive line and defense and that on a team like ours he can be a huge success.

While I'm on the Austin subject, he registered 11 catches, and 187 receiving yards against LSU in 2011. And what he did against OU as a runningback was just disgusting.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of this either. I do think he has a habit of holding onto the ball for too long. I'd put that one in the negative category. So in your opinion why are guys like Kiper, and McShay talking about how Geno isn't even top 20 in this class.

Oh, I'd downgrade the accuracy slightly. He has a tendency to miss high when he misses. He over throws a lot of deep balls.

David Amerson, CB; North Carolina State

http://m.fayobserver.com/photos/2012...B0E9659-p0.jpg

Guy was the #1 CB going into this year, but he had a couple of rough games to start out the season.

He's big (6'2", 195 lbs.), got great instincts and would be an excellent fit opposite Flowers.

No brainer if he's there at the top of the second.

Sac, would you take Xavier Rhodes if he was there in teh 2nd?

What's funny is that Austin is generating a ton of hype, but people seem to forget that they guy with all the touchdowns on WVU's offense is the other receiver, Stedman Bailey. He's got 21 TD's on the season (which is completely sick), 1,342 yards and a 14.1 ypc.

Personally, I think that these guys are putting up crazy numbers because they've got a freaking stud at QB getting them the ball.

Holy shit this saccopoo guy doesn't want an OL in the 1st or 2nd. The world really is about to end. I can't even tell the difference between winter and summer like the mayans said.

I like Amerson more than I do Rhodes, who is amlost certainly a safety at the next level.

Yeah I like Bailey as well. I have a feeling he goes in the 1st though. Part of why I didn't pick him as my #2 guy.

I agree, but there werent problems for Dexter in college and he played in the SEC.
In November of last year, RG3 was #24 on Kipers big board.

Im trying to find where McShay had him.

Bailey has been hurt and a little inconsistent as of late, figure his stock might drop a little.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...week-13/page/1

I'll just drop this here. Matt Miller isn't bad. Follow him on twitter as well if you're not.

I was just reading thru that KC


This is gonna be a solid draft IMO.

CB, SS, DL, WR

Pick the best value candidate among that group. There will be at least one person in that group that is a first round talent that slides for some reason or another.

One guy I like alot is Jordan Reed, TE from Florida.

If Sheldon fell into the second round, I would absolutely grab him there.

This draft is alright. I LOVE the trenches in this draft. And linebackers. This wasn't the best year to be the worst team in the NFL, but it certainly wasn't as bad as say, 2009.

Because they are ****ing reeruned.

Because this QB class is following the QB Messiah Andrew Luck.

Personally, I think that this QB class is completely loaded and there are a number of guys with a lot of tools you look for to be a good QB at the next level.

IMO, Geno Smith is as good a QB prospect as I've seen outside of Andrew Luck. He's got all the tools and intangibles to be a special player in the NFL.

2nd qb

I wouldn't.

He's a shithead, an idiot and a trouble maker. He's talented, but he's also a guy that abandoned his team and got himself suspended for the last home game of the season because he refused to do extra workouts after skipping class. As a consequence, we won't be going to a bowl game. His senior teammates lost their last game of their MU careers and now the guys that will be here next season won't get to practice and are losing recruits because they aren't bowl eligible. All because this lazy, entitled shithead refused to put in the time to satisfy an established team rule.

He put his laziness and arrogance ahead of his teammates, both the ones that came before him and the ones that will come after him.

His conduct at the College of the Sequoias was questionable at best. He was trash last season and couldn't help but run his damn mouth all season this year.

Richardson is exactly the kind of talented headcase that spends 4 years in the league based on nothing but talent and draft status, then gets cut because he was never smart enough or committed enough to be a difference maker.

Sheldon Richardson wouldn't even be on my draft board.

Robert Griffin III tape, ESPN big boards and more
November 10th, 2011 | Written by Rob Staton

Above you’ll find game tape from Robert Griffin III’s most recent performance in a victory over SEC-bound Missouri. I’ll be breaking down his display in a larger piece tomorrow. I’m trying to get an angle on a definite draft grade for the Baylor quarterback and so far it’s proving difficult. He’s very much a wildcard prospect with a lot of upside and he’s developed greatly during his four years with the Bears. However, something keeps holding me back when it comes to committing to a high grade, even though he’s definitely an intriguing prospect.

Thanks again to JMPasq for supplying us with the tape.

ESPN draft-duo Mel Kiper and Todd McShay published their updated big boards today. I struggle to grasp the concept of these boards – what determines how far a player drops or rises? For example, in McShay’s first big board he described Matt Barkley as thus, “Barkley is a natural leader with a high football IQ and good short-to-intermediate accuracy and touch and a quick release and adequate arm strength to make all the NFL throws.” Such high praise warranted only the #22 overall position on his board, behind tweener’s like Melvin Ingram with no obvious role in the NFL.

Funnily enough, Ingram is no longer among McShay’s top-32 but Barkley is steadily climbing. Last week he was up to #18 and today he’s at #12. This is McShay’s justification, “He continues to rise in part because of his impressive consistency. The closer we get to the draft, the more quarterbacks start to rise, and Barkley has done nothing to hurt his stock. His tools aren’t elite, but he’s getting better at all the little things to get the most out of his ability.”

Let’s look at Landry Jones’ ranking and how that compares - he’s been as high as #3 but this week dropped to #5. “Jones just hasn’t been as consistent as you expect in recent weeks. His accuracy is good, but he continues to miss within the strike zone, and at this point he hasn’t locked down the No. 2 spot among quarterbacks.” I’m struggling to ‘get’ McShay’s approach here, because if Jones is struggling to lock down the #2 quarterback spot why is he still seven places ahead of Barkley? And if Barkley has been ‘closing in’ on overtaking Jones, why has he been wallowing in the late teens or early twenties until this week?

For me, Barkley is having another strong year where he’s not only made further developments as a true junior, but he’s also been incredibly consistent and productive. Jones – in my view at least - has shown very few qualities that make you believe he’s going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

Even more confusing is the introduction of Ryan Tannehill to the board this week for the first time at #31 – fresh off easily his worst performance of the season against Oklahoma. Again, there appears to be no rhyme or reason to the decision to add him now. McShay states, “A closer look at the tape shows improved instincts, which indicates he has plenty of potential given the right coaching, and all indications are he has the mental makeup to realize that potential. His ability to create when the play breaks down is also well above-average.” Yet the evidence suggests very much the opposite if you study the game on Saturday.

For example, what happened when his hot read was covered and Frank Alexander had offered moderate outside pressure from his strong side? Rather than move away from the pressure (which was being handled by the right tackle) to create further time for a throw (or a run, given how much space there was to the right side of the field) Tannehill instead dwelled too long on his intended target before switching to a second option late in the play and making a careless throw into double coverage for an interception and big return. In the second half he again reacted badly to moderate pressure forcing a throw to Jeff Fuller who hadn’t even completed his route and wasn’t facing the quarterback. The defensive back read Tannehill’s eyes and pre-empted the throw, easily picking it off. Two bad decisions, two bad turn overs and further evidence of a lack of poise and too often locking on to one target.

Tannehill has the athletic potential to extend plays and avoid pressure, but so far he’s not doing a good enough job of remaining composed and running through his progressions. It’s also equally baffling that Jeff Fuller remains on McShay’s board despite a poor overall year for Texas A&M. Needless to say, standout North Carolina prospect doesn’t make the cut on McShay or Mel Kiper’s big boards.

On a more positive note, it’s interesting to see Griffin III remain at #24 on Kiper’s list and both acknowledge the impact of Alabama’s Trent Richardson this season. Kudos must also go to Kiper for dropping Dre Kirkpatrick to #25 – a player whose reputation appears to have gained unrealistic momentum due to people’s desire to see tall, physical corners on their team.

Elsewhere I’d highly recommend checking out this analytical piece from Alex Brown for Optimum Scouting, breaking down four Big 12 quarterback prospects (Landry Jones, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden). Although I’ve written contrasting pieces on all four at various times this year, it’s always good to get a different take on things and Alex’s write-up is incredibly detailed and worthy of attention. Check it out. Here’s a taster on Robert Griffin III:

“Entering this season, I had trouble giving Robert Griffin III a 4th round grade. His lack of fluidity and feel inside the pocket, coupled with inconsistent ball placement on the deep fade, inability to progress from target to target in his reads, lack of confidence in his previously torn ACL from the season before, and his throwing mechanics as a whole, scared me to death as a talent evaluator. Griffin’s athletic prowess, impressive character and leadership made him a must draft player nonetheless, but I still had my doubts in his ability under center. Griffin wasted no time in winning me over as a believer, as he torched the TCU secondary in the season opening game.”

Jesse Bartolis also has an updated mock draft available for your viewing pleasure. The Seahawks pick fourth overall and choose Griffin III with Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley off the board.

I think they've underrated him by a lot. But to me he isn't on the prospect level of Luck obviously, or Griffin. He's better than Tannehill who went 8th overall. And he's also a better prospect than Gabbert, and Ponder, and Locker.

This seems a bit extreme IMO.

I'd definitely draft Sheldon. Personally, I think he's frustrated w/ school and ready to focus full time on 1 thing and 1 thing only in football.

DJ is right. FORGET Sheldon Richardson. Trust me, we don't want a lazy careless piece of shit like that on our team. He's one of the most physically gifted athletes I've seen, but he's not a team player, and is a complete head case. He's a good player when he's on the field usually, but how often will he be on the field between all of his arrest after he's getting NFL money? I'm actually amazed he's rated so high on some people's boards.

Heres a quick mock

Geno Smith
Whatever WR is there left.
Jordan Poyer if he's still there
Logan Thomas
Jordan Reed

Just 5 rounds and quickly but that wouldn't be a bad place to start.