Peter King: Scouts not impressed with 2013 QB class
 

Bad year to pick a QB 1, 2 or 3. QBs sinking like stones in eyes of NFL scouts.


https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/sta...03092294238208

It's early, also if we can get a taker for our first we can trade down a couple spots to get Geno or Barkley, but becareful they wont drop too far they are still valued top 5 by there posision alone. So there stock is going to rise betime the draft gets here. Keep on the course.

They are all better than what is currently on the roster.

Those guys can still impress at the combine there is plenty of time between now and the draft for them. The key is getting our guy for a change.

Can't be, Geno Smith is the next coming of Joe Montana, Maximus Deimus Meridius and Jesse Owens all in one. His farts don't stink and when he raises his hand to the sky thunder claps.

It's true. I read it right here written by someone from West Virginia.

SI_PeterKing
"With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Geno Smith, quarterback, West Virginia."

Knowmo trolling outside of his cave.

It's like this every year there are knocks on guys untill it gets closer to the real deal. Andrew Luck was the guy all the pundents were gimping about but he was a rairety in there eyes as well. RGIII wasn't rated as a top 10 prospect untill late last year. Teams started drooling over him after the fact they new the Colts had the number one pick and were going to take Luck for sure. That's when RGIII stock went through the roof. So it's still early to know how there stock is going to rise or fall betime the draft comes around.

By my own views I like Geno Smith and Barkley and will be thrilled if we can get one of them. Barkley is accurate as they come out of college and Geno Smith has an arm and playmaking abillities like RGIII. Are they as good as Luck or RGIII maybe not but I'd like to see them as Chiefs to find out what they could do for us.

"scouts" as in "pioli" as in "on off chance i'm here next season, rolling with cassel"

Precisely.

King is a mouthpiece for Pioli.

"Scout not impressed" is code for "Pioli told me he's not drafting a QB so I need to get the word out".

Wow, we can't even get the timing of suck right.

It's like this every year and the scouts are hardly perfect (see Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, etc falling out of the top ten).

That said, Geno is the only QB I am excited about taking with a top three pick. He is the next Donovan McNabb. Which means we'll probably take Barkley.

IM not sold on Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, RGIII, Tannehill, Luck, and every QB drafted in the last 20 years.


Signed, True Chiefs fans....

& pioli

"We cant draft a QB! It might set back this franchise for years!!!"



You mean, worse than 2007-2012 when we made zero attempt to draft one?

Barkley = Blackledge

Surely Geno Smith and Matt Barkley aren't worse QB prospects than Ryan Tannehill and I'd be happy to have a Tannehill on this team, though of course I wish we can get a better prospect than him.

I'd be happy with a Joe Flacco prosepct to be honest. That's how bad the suffering has been.

It doesn't matter. We have to take one of the 3 top rated guys.

If a team has the chance to massively upgrade at QB, I don't care where a guy is slotted in the draft. You take that guy. Always.

(Romeo voice) I mean boom.

No. 2010 and 2011 were bad years to draft a Qb at 1, 2, or 3.

2013 is pretty damn good.

Not a fan of Bradford or Newton?

Bradford is the worst #1 QB off the board in a draft since Jamarcus Russell. He was injured half of his senior year for crying out loud and still was outright given the job. He also had one of the lowest ceilings of any #1 overall QB that I can think of. It's tough to imagine a more underwhelming QB prospect to take if you're a team in need of a QB in the draft.

I give a **** what the scouts say.
Scouts drooled over Jamarcus Russell.

Thinking about it, I remember when Matt Ryan was drafted #3 overall, he wasn't considered to be a special QB prospect at all. I don't think Barkley is any worse a QB prospect than Ryan and that guy turned out pretty good.

"Most talented QB prospect since John Elway"

They didn't just drool over him, they literally touted him as the best prospect in 20 years.

As soon as the Raiders drafted him, the media flipped to "Ah, he was over-rated. Al Davis is crazy." ROFL

GTFO

FYP

That's because he wasn't a special QB prospect.

Until this year, he really hasn't been a special QB, either.

And it remains to be seen if he can take this team on his back and win a playoff game when things aren't clicking.

If Geno and Barkley don't get rave reviews Murray might come out early. I think he is ready, and looks to be the most prototypical QB of the group.

He's not that big so prototypical might be a bit of a stretch.

I think Murray, much like Bray, might as well be dead to us. We will have next year either Matt Barkley or Geno Smith with Tyler Wilson having a slight chance.

It'll be one of those 3.

What do scouts know? Jaguars say hi....thanks for the useless Blaine Gabbert

Apparently it's a bad year period to pick a player at all according to McShay and Kiper.

Let's just not pick anybody. They might bust.

And they traded up to get him.

Why does everyone take these things as true. The real deal is that nobody really knows shit.

King is not the only one saying it. There are alot of people saying it. If you are honest with yourself, you will see what they mean when you watch the tape on these guys. Honestly, right now, I can't see any GM taking one of these guys #1 overall.

oh yeah youre sooo right and smart buddy! Matt Cassel & Brady Quinn are soooo much better then the possibilities of Geno Smith and Matt Barkley. Ya lets see what Cassel can do next year. Its a process. Give him time.

**** you

Even the year we suck the worst, we're freakin' doomed to select the worst first ever.

Whichever one is more accurate come april draft. We take that one. I don't care. Accuracy and field smartness = nfl greatness. I don't care if thats Geno, Barkley, or Wilson. We need to take one of them. All 3 of those guys are better than any qb we have on the roster right now. And anyone who thinks we shouldnt take a qb with our first pick you are not a true chiefs fan so get the **** off this site and go jump off a bridge while stabbing yourself midair with a rusty aids infected butter knife

Know which years 2013's QB class is better than?

2011
2010
2009
2008
2007
2006
2003
2002
2001
2000

And that's just since the turn of the century.

This is a pretty good class. It is a good year to suck for a QB.

Murray chokes in big games and withers when UGA gets behind. He is a poor leader and we don't want him. I am as much of a UGA fan as I am a Chiefs fan. I have seen every play he has ever made on the field.


In no way is that what I was saying buddy boy. We have to draft a QB. I would like to move back into the first round and get one. However, taking a QB with the #1 pick this yer seems pretty stupid to me at this point. We should probably take Jarvis Jones or trade back if we can.

I find it hilarious when Message board posters use the term "watch the tape".

What tape? His youtube highlights?

ROFL

HOW ABOUT WE WAIT UNTIL THE 3RD ROUND SO WE CAN TAKE A NICK FOLES OR BRODY CROYLE TYPE OF GUY? HMM?? THEY'RE JUST AS GOOD YEAH???

Your comment could have easily been used when discussing Aaron Rodgers heading into the 2005 draft.

The reality is that QB is the hardest position to pick, and the analysts will only say a QB is elite if he fits their prototype mold of big size, rocket arm, amazing accuracy, big winner in college, experience in pro-style offense, multiple years as a starter, etc.

It is a much easier gig to pick apart a player's potential flaws than go out on a limb for a guy.

Good point but I'd take Matt Stafford over this class any day of the week.

Brock Osweiller probably woulda been the top QB on the board this year if he stayed.

I disagree. I'd rather have Geno Smith than Matt Stafford. But I'll take your point into consideration.

Who came after Stafford? Sanchez and Freeman. Two of the slapdickiest slapdicks who ever slapped dicks together.

Barkley and Wilson are both > those two.

Are you and BobTard related?

Now is not the time for your trollery, ****face. We have ZERO patience for your idiocy. Go back to your homer thread and stay there until the draft is over.

Agreed.

People look to the 2012 class and claim it to be the new normal. I disagree with you a little on the 2011 class, I don't think it was that bad.

There are a bunch of guys in this draft that you can win with. This will actually prove to be a pretty good QB class when all is said and done. Is there an RGIII or Luck at the top of it? Eh, probably not (though I think Smith can be better than RGIII, it will just take him a bit). But there are certainly guys like Wilson that can be successful and Barkley that could actually be excellent in a WCO. Oh, and that's not even getting into guys like Manuel who may be insanely good if he develops (he has more raw talent than Gabbert) and Bray who could be the best of them all...if his terminal douche does stand in his way.

Granted, some of them may not come out, but guys like Smith, Barkley, Wilson and Manuel will be there and that's 4 legitimate starter quality QB prospects.

They're "studying the film" too.

Who gives a flying shit about the "class".

All the Chiefs need to be concerned with is ONE guy.

There's more than a month of college games left, plus bowl season PLUS the Combines, which leaves plenty of time for guys to step up and separate themselves.

There will be at least two QB's taken in the Top Five and depending on early entry, three in the top ten. This isn't 2010. It's cheap to take a QB and if he doesn't pan out, take another two years.

But stop with the "scout" bullshit.

Hell yeah, no one is even close.

Look, I hope we get one of these guys and I hope he works out. The thing is that I don't see any greatness in these guys. Alot of people feel that way. Don't get mad about it people. Maybe one of them will turn into a good player like Andy Dalton or Christian Ponder? Who knows but, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Calling people who feel this way "homers" is really off the mark. The truth is that those who wish to sell their soul to Geno or whoever are the "homers." You are putting all of your hope into guys that aren't doing what we need them to do on their college team. We need a big time leader at QB. We are going to be losing for quite a while and we need leadership on both sides of the ball more than anything.

At this point, I think the homers are the people who have hope at all. You are setting yourselves up for disappointment imo. Even if there were five good QB prospects there is still only a 30% success rate.

ROFL

You're like LAChieffan, only serious. And pathetic.

Matt Stafford is overrated.

Can't be a top-flight QB if you can't stay on the field.

Then do yourself a favor and give up.

And then do us a favor and go away.

Is this the same Peter King who picked KC to win the AFCW in SI? Idiot.

Good ****ing god.

In order to turn this around, we need big time winners in college like Jay Cutler. People with leadership.

Hmmmm....

Big size: 6'3'', 214 seems pretty big.
Rocket arm: Ever see the velocity on Geno's ball?
Amazing accuracy: Well his accuracy's gone up every year, at 75% this season.
Big winner in college: 9-4 as a Soph Starter, 10-3 as a JR and Orange Bowl mvp. Does that count?
Experience in a pro-style offense: It doesn't get much more pro-style than the Bill Stewart/Jeff Mullen offense he ran as a soph when he completed nearly 2/3 of his passes and had better than a 3-1 TD/INT ratio.
Multiple years as a starter: Is 3 okay?

Scouts don't like Geno Smith because scouts never like Senior quarterbacks unless they do crazy shit like run 4.40 40s. Geno Smith is what you're looking for in an NFL quarterback. He's excelled over a long period. He's excelled in different systems. He has the size and skills to excel and even brings some bonus tools like his quick release to the party (so that shouldn't need to be tinkered with).

You'll need to work on his feet a little, they can be inconsistent. You'll also want to work on his reads, as is the case with any QB that wasn't Andrew Luck. In the end, if the Chiefs pass on this kid they will regret it for a very long time.

:clap::clap::clap:

We use these guys when they back up what we think but if we don't like what they have to say then call them names and don't want to accept what they have to say.

Beautiful. Clear and concise. An elegant and authoritative argument why we should draft Geno. This post is Zen.

We don't need A QB, Your choice to be a fan. /Pissoli

We universally call Peter King names and never accept what he has to say.

The only time he's of any use is when he's being used to show the mood of the national media (i.e. when he's finally criticizing Cassel, it's clearly reached critical mass). We don't use his endorsement as proof of our accuracy, if anything we do the exact opposite.

When that fat schmuck finally figures something out, it's just too damn obvious to ignore anymore.

Peter King is an idiot and a mouthpiece for the guys that feed him information.

You forgot the elephant in the room - he's black so he can't be a traditional pocket passer.

And the Holgorson pistol look isn't exactly classic pro-style like Luck ran.

I like Smith so don't feel like you need to convince me, but I am not at all surprised that Kiper and McShay aren't rolling out the red carpet for him at #1 overall yet.

Well the upshot to that is that we won't be allowed to criticize him for 3 years, so that should buy him some time.

Fortunately he's a tall black quarterback, so he'll get compared to Newton instead of RGIII. He'll win that comparison going away.

And you're right, Holgorsen's offense isn't what I would call a pro-style offense, that's why his performance as a Sophomore is so demonstrative. Under Stewart, it was a very pro-focused offense. The kid knows his dropbacks, knows how to take the snap from center. You can use a lot of what you take from that and apply it to how he's performed with this pistol set.

It actually takes a little effort to see what's special about Smith, but that shouldn't be as damning as these guys are making it out to be. There are very very few Andrew Lucks to be had.

Peter King e-mailed me a draft of his MMQB article coming up. He said, "I got this really cute cartoon in it that I want you to see." It's of two kids in Halloween costumes trick-or-treating. One of the kids says, "Aw man, i got Chiefs tickets."

Hilarious, right?

This guy has been right for years so when he starts tooting a player's horn you better listen to him.

of course

True but, very ironic.

I'm calling you out on this one.

I can tell it's not Peter King's column because he didn't tell you what coffee he was drinking.

You're a liar, SNR. A damn filthy liar.

Oh really who has he asked for in the past at QB?

He bought Aaron Rodgers this year in a FF auction league.

Dude knows his shit.

My biggest fear is that the Chiefs figure out a way to rally and win enough games to **** us out of a QB in the draft. I mean, it doesn't look very likely, they way the have played, but it's just the kind of shit that happens to this franchise.

Cutler wasn't a big time winner in college. He wins in the pros.

Mine too.

They're allaying that fear pretty quickly right now, though.

Even when they drive it down to the opponents 30, does anyone believe they're going to finish the drive off? You're not going to win in this league by kicking field goals and this offense is incapable of getting it into the end zone against a base defense.

I'm starting to think they may actually finish this thing rather than their usual 3 wins in 5 games finishing kick to put us at 4-12 and save Pioli's job.

Have you watched us play? Stop worrying, we suck ass.