Daboll installing the 2010 Browns Offense?
 

Running back Peyton Hillis on what offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, his former coach in Cleveland, brings to the Chiefs and his smooth transition to a similar offense:

“It was good coming in and already knowing the playbook. When you know what you’re doing, you’re faster when you do it. He (Daboll) knows how to create mismatches for me out of the backfield, and then at the receiver spot. He’s really good with the quarterbacks too. It’s been pretty laid back for me, just helping the guys get to know the playbook and get things going. It’s good for me, and it’s good for the other teammates in the room with me because I can help them out.”

Lovely.

Blueprint

Let's go a little further down the road to nowhere.

Yes!



Historic offensive offense.

Well, I'm not gonna throw a hissy just yet.

We do have much better pieces in place than Cleveland had.

To Daboll!

Brian Daboll has coached a playoff caliber offense.

Sincerely,
Lee Cothran

Jake Delhomme/Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace at QB.
Jack & Shit for WR talent.

Oh noooooooooes!

We have the personnel for it. I think we will be a top 5 attack.
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I'd love some quality analysis, and I know there are some nerds on here who would love to provide it.

Design-wise, is it a quality scheme?

Does anyone here know enough about the '10 Browns offense to give us a run down of its design? (i/e: run to pass ratio, types of runs, types of passes, placement of passes). How were the majority of their touchdowns scored? What types of plays got the most first downs? What types of plays produced the largest gains? On average, what type of play did they do on 1st, 2nd, 3rd downs? How often did they go for it on 4th?

What will each position's role be, and how important is it in this scheme?

Obviously stats from that season won't really be indicative of how we will perform, considering the talent levels are vastly different. But it would be neat to see some analysis so we can forecast how our offense will look, and who will perform and how.

Oh, and Cassel sucks.

Guys with access to PFF or whatever might come in handy for this. I know its a tall task. For your troubles, you will be repped and I will gift you my casino cash.

and that's the problem right there.^

It's from an article....and it only mentions the first 4 games of the season.....but FWIW:

Here you go. "FUMBLE ON THE PLAY!!!"

Isn't that to be expected? The guy, just like every other coach, is going to carry over his system wherever he goes.

Just depends if you have the players.

I could be wrong (likely), but i thought it was supposed to be a west coast style offense, lots of short passes. I remember hearing that when they were first talking about starting Colt McCoy in his rookie year.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=311106012

Here is what he did to us last year. His TE's killed us (sounds familiar).

First Romeo. Now Daboll. The Brownsification of the Chiefs continues.

IIRC McCoy wasn't supposed to go near the field his first year. It was injuries to the #1 and #2 that forced him into the lineup.

As a Chiefs fan, I'm excited about the new direction our team is headed. We tried to model ourselves after the Patriots and fell a bit short, I think trying to model ourselves after the Browns is a goal that we can realistically attain.

i remember the donks failing with that a few years ago...The Denver Browncos were famous

well he is installing his offense - and he did work for cleveland in 2010 - is this news? Perhaps he is installing the 2004 Patriots offense? Or the 2011 dolphins offense.. and so on and so on... He is installing his offense. He was hired to do so.

We sucked less at modeling ourselves after the Patriots than you guys did.

The Browncos made it to the AFCCG with that DL.

Installing his own offense is a little different than a player saying he knows the playbook because it is the same one from 2 years ago, no?

What does this even mean?

A HC is fairly easy to get rid of. Getting rid of your GM is kind of tricky.

How? They are in the OTAs - so they are learning basic vanilla schemes of this offense- makes sense they would be the same. I mean the guy isn't reinventing the wheel on May 22nd...

I find the hand wringing silly...

I think that plays to Cassel's (very limited) strengths. In fact, if they do a good job calling plays and picking the player for Cassel to go to, I think they could do a lot better as it should get the ball out of Cassel's hands and to the playmakers quicker and he shouldn't have to think much about progressions. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that Cassel will keep up his mediocre play (and in fact, I kinda hate it as anything that helps to hide Cassel's ineptitude is just going to screw this team over as they'll be able to keep trotting him out there).

I'm still iffy on Daboll. I'm not enthused, but I can't see how it can get worse than what they trotted out last year (and plenty of times in 2010). I'm not sure if Haley is even a good OC, as I think Arizona can be explained with Kurt Warner + Boldin + Fitzgerald = success.

Actually, I am a little enthusiastic about Daboll, mainly for his rep for what he did to McCoy. Cassel has been coddled far too much. Hell, maybe Pioli will even listen to Daboll if he says Cassel just can't cut it (although I'm not expecting him to, if he didn't listen to Charlie Weis who supposedly felt that way). Or maybe we'll see an epic mutiny of the coaches against Pioli or something.

maybe it will do better than that 13 point a game average in 2011.

Hes got heart.
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i agree he has Heart but no Arm, no Accuracy and cant read a defense wort a ****.

This is where you have to hope that Stanzi or Quinn... maybe even both... show much more in the preseason games than Cassel does. That will cause pressure for Crennel to make a change if Cassel comes out of the gate slow in the regular season games... which could happen.

And if those two can not put any pressure on Cassel, we will likely be right in the middle of the QB derby next April on day 1 of the draft.

Short passes and run the ball. This defense is going to win us some games like they did in the 90's

yep. most of the time, but there are 9 others that slack too.

it is amazing the chiefs have been running the parcells/belichick system and don't do shit with it. that is shit players, the offense is well proven.

marty ball .....

So it's been time tested against the Steeler/Ravens/Bengal Ds
The AFC West Ds are cake

THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF

What a ****ing joke.

I'd imagine the only way that shit offense was scoring points was on Madden Rookie mode.

Miami had a pretty good O the 2nd half of the year last year. Bush finally showing up and B-Marsh can make quite a bit of difference. He'll have even more pieces in KC.

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I thot we want chunks of yards.....

why we do

**** it ...i'm gonna smoke daboll to kill dapain....

LMAO

LMAO That's a great gif, haven't seen that one. It could apply to so many situations...

As I get older, the more I believe that coaches do next to nothing. Give a coach a hall of fame quarterback - he's a genius. Give him Matt Cassell - he's fired. It's that simple.

If Romeo manages to get a top QB in the draft next year, then he'll be around the team until he decides to retire. If not, this all gets blown up.

Unless Brady Quinn destroys!! Yeah!! Woo hoo!!

:(

Great point. I don't know why anyone would think that he would change anything. His offense clearly has had great results everywhere he's been. That's why we brought him in. Or something. So.

Brady (hasn't taken a snap in 2 years) Quinn?!?

Give Brian Billick a QB like Trent Dilfer - he's a genius /Pioli

First off, where in this quote does it say he hasn't changed anything in the offense. But, moreover, the chiefs obviously believe his offense is the type of offense they want... that's why they hired him. He is an offensive coordinator, not a head coach... This thread is ****ing reeruned. People just bitching to bitch... we haven't even got to TC yet... much less a game.

We'll see it again when broke neck goes down because of his below average left tackle.

hope his playbook has a lot of different 3 yard bomb plays.

reality sets in. and so.

With Cassel we may as hell have a Tecmo Super Bowl playbook. Except all 4 pass plays are the ones where it's all hooks and flats.

LMAO

yeah i just wanted to make sure his playbook let Cassel reach his full Potential.

it would be terrible if we had to settle for two yard bombs.

I would rather have a guy come in and install a system he's never coached.

Signed,

Chiefs Planet

i doubt Daboll has ever worked with a QB who has the Potential Cassel has.

Yeah that.

Or wanting a guy who's coached an offense to better than bottom 3 in the league, so....

I've never been all that excited about Daboll getting hired, but its his job, and frankly its just nice that we have a OC besides an over bearing HC.

I agree. I think Haley totally mind ****ed Cassel and probably some others as well. I think we stand a better chance with a defensive HC who's not going to meddle with the OC and his offense then we did with Haley.

Amazing what a joke our franchise leadership is.

It's truly shocking.

Mods, I beg you to make this an available smiley shortcut.

Have you been under a rock?

20 years of Carl.

4 years of Scott.

When was it good?

That said, I don't hate the Daboll hire because I know very little about him.

It really doesnt matter who is calling the plays if Cassel is the QB.

It was good for a time at the beginning of Carl's tenure. When Vermeil was here, we had some form of competent leadership, which sadly didn't extend to the defensive side of the ball.

Now we got jack. We got the blind leading the blind.

We know this isn't true, because of Weis' season here.

amen Brother.

OK LOL

Daboll's expertise is in leading shitbread offenses, so we can be assured Cassel will fit right in.

Think about how ****ing stupid the decision makers leading your franchise have to be to go from Bill Muir to Brian Daboll.

We have much better tools than Cleveland had.

We'll see.

Cassel must execute. That is most important.

It doesn't ****ing matter.

It's still a rotten hire.

Do you really think Brian Daboll is gonna put us in the top 10 on offense?

If he isn't, why was he even hired to begin with?

Answer: extreme franchise nepotism borne of Scott Pioli's arrogance.

This is as bad as Carl hiring Gunther to fix the defense.

LMAO Ok. You might wanna plug your vagina before you bleed to death.

So, what are your plans away from here after they win 10 games?

I think you vastly overestimate the value of an offensive coordinator.

Here are your top 10 offenses from last year:

Green Bay
New Orleans
New England
Detroit
San Diego
Carolina
Atlanta
Philadelphia
NY Giants
Houston

Notice anything? Here, let me be more clear. Same list:

AARON RODGERS
DREW BREES
TOM BRADY
MATTHEW STAFFORD
PHILLIP RIVERS
CAM NEWTON
MATT RYAN
MICHAEL VICK
ELI MANNING
SCHAUB/YATES*

Who gives a shit who the offensive coordinator is? In fact, from what I can tell of the offensive leaders, if you don't have a top-flight QB, you better be able to run the ball*, which at least Daboll can do.

Still, this team can genetically engineer a Bill Walsh, Don Coryell, Mike Martz super-hybrid and we won't win shit until we sack up and go draft a QB in the first round.

OC is important for THIS team because Cassel needs a top flight OC to cover his weaknesses.

I suppose in the end I should be happy we made a shit hire, though, because it's just going to speed up "the process" of flushing all this patriot way shit.

TRUTH BOMB

even you would agree that Daboll is an upgrade (very minor one) to Muir.

Oh no Gochiefs has gotten into the sugar jar again... more reasoned football knowledge.

As our old pal htismaqe always said, less than bad does not equal good.

Pioli didn't put any effort into the search for an OC. He didn't do his due diligence. He just threw his hands up and grabbed the nearest schmuck from the Patriots Bro Network.

Pathetic.