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mdchiefsfan 12-18-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9220397)
I truly, and honestly don't give a shit who we hire. Don't care, at all. Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, all names I've kind of thought were shitty in the past, all look pretty damned good now. Mother**** you, Scott Pioli.

LMAO I guess the new slogan can be:

MOTHER**** YOU, SCOTT! :cuss:

Mr. Flopnuts 12-18-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9220397)
I truly, and honestly don't give a shit who we hire. Don't care, at all. Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, all names I've kind of thought were shitty in the past, all look pretty damned good now. Mother**** you, Scott Pioli.

That said, I'd still like to see us hire Bruce Arians.

Buehler445 12-18-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9218901)
Once again, other than placating a bunch of impatient fans, what USEFUL purpose does it serve?

He doesn't want to screw up next year by getting all the players excited about change - it's the same craziness that led to Romeo Crennel being hired as head coach.

There's NO REASON to make changes now. NONE, NADA, ZILCH

I'm not trying to start a war, but I think if you fire Pioli, it gives you more time to court your next GM. Maybe he's already doing that. Is it like coaches where you can't talk until after the season? Either way, there's no reason to keep Pioli if it inhibits you in any way from getting your guy.

I said long ago that if it were me, I'd have fired his ass around week 6, told Donovan to give Bowe whatever the **** he wants, and went out and found my guy.

But maybe since there is two weeks left, there isn't anything to gain from doing it now.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 9218948)
IMHO if the goal is to draft a young QB #1 then I would rather have a young coach to grow with that QB not an old coach looking for a pay day and who will be here just 3-4 years.

I'm with Dirk. Keep Cowher the **** out of KC. And Cowher as GM? Does he even know anything about being a GM?

And why the **** are we talking about finding a coach first? Hire a good GM, let him hire the coach. There has to be some cohesiveness there. They have to be able to find synergy between personnel decisions and scheme. It just has to be that way. Find the right GM, he'll find the right coach.

htismaqe 12-18-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by soopamanluva (Post 9220335)
Never paid Haley.....

Pioli pays the coach, he's their boss. Pioli fired him WITH CAUSE and therefore is not entitled to any present or future compensation.

100% Pioli.

htismaqe 12-18-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9220510)
I'm not trying to start a war, but I think if you fire Pioli, it gives you more time to court your next GM. Maybe he's already doing that. Is it like coaches where you can't talk until after the season? Either way, there's no reason to keep Pioli if it inhibits you in any way from getting your guy.

There's also no reason to fire him if it doesn't inhibit you from getting your guy. Clark has reportedly already been interviewing and meeting with candidates, so it appears that the presence of Pioli has no effect whatsoever on the process of hiring the next guy.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9220510)
But maybe since there is two weeks left, there isn't anything to gain from doing it now.

After week 10 or so, there was nothing to gain from doing it in-season.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9220510)
And why the **** are we talking about finding a coach first? Hire a good GM, let him hire the coach. There has to be some cohesiveness there. They have to be able to find synergy between personnel decisions and scheme. It just has to be that way. Find the right GM, he'll find the right coach.

We've tried letting GM hire the coach. It hasn't worked. We need a different arrangement, more like Marty had with Carl where they were peers. Giving complete control to one guy does not work.

htismaqe 12-18-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9220130)
The problem with this argument is

A) Cowher is a capable HC.

B) Stanzi isn't an NFL QB.

Completely irrelevant.

Parcells, Vermeil, and Seifert were all capable HC - HoF material even - and they couldn't do it.

htismaqe 12-18-2012 08:56 AM

The eternal optimist, NFL cheerleader, and most conservative football talking head there is, Kevin Harlan, sounds like he feels Pioli is done.

Best sign yet.

Of course, he went on to say there wasn't a franchise QB available in the upcoming draft...

Mr. Flopnuts 12-18-2012 09:02 AM

I'm with htis on all of this. It makes NO sense to fire him now. There isn't any one player to appease like Cam Newton in Carolina. Let Pioli own this entire season of shit, and move on with a #1 pick, and a fresh regime.

But I know it's not patience that is the issue, it's fear. Don't let it consume you. Pioli, Rac, Daboll, and Cassel are ****ing out of here in less than 2 weeks. Take it to the bank.

Buehler445 12-18-2012 09:05 AM

You're probably right on the firing Pioli stuff, I just wanted to throw it out there.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9220544)
We've tried letting GM hire the coach. It hasn't worked. We need a different arrangement, more like Marty had with Carl where they were peers. Giving complete control to one guy does not work.

I don't think that them being forced to be peers by ownership is the right call.

I think you just hire a GM that isn't a ****ing pile of mother****ing **** juice mixed with runny dog shit and firmed up with puss from a festering rat plague boil.

If you get a GM that isn't an egomaniac control freak and understands the importance of a good coach and doesn't just try to execute some dumbass system where he tries to be the smartest guy in the room, they should get along OK. Are there any other cases where a coach is forced on a GM?

Dayze 12-18-2012 09:10 AM

bring in Trent Green as OC.

htismaqe 12-18-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9220576)
I don't think that them being forced to be peers by ownership is the right call.

I think you just hire a GM that isn't a ****ing pile of mother****ing **** juice mixed with runny dog shit and firmed up with puss from a festering rat plague boil.

If you get a GM that isn't an egomaniac control freak and understands the importance of a good coach and doesn't just try to execute some dumbass system where he tries to be the smartest guy in the room, they should get along OK. Are there any other cases where a coach is forced on a GM?

It takes a certain kind of person to be an NFL head coach or NFL GM. I think they are INHERENTLY egomaniacs.

It's purely Machiavellian - absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You could bring in anybody you want but the minute you give him complete control, things get skewed. Maybe not to Pioli levels but they still get skewed.

The coach and GM HAVE to at least be peers or it is ultimately doomed to fail.

O.city 12-18-2012 11:00 AM

IMO, if Clark wants to be the type of owner we have all talked about, you can't have someone with absolute power, as we've seen what can happen.


Therefor, you bring in a HC and a GM, tell them "damn it, you two are gonna work together and we're gonna get this right" and roll from there.

Easy 6 12-18-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9219901)
Pioli has done a good job with the OL IMO.

Next year it's really gonna come together.

Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah and Winston are gonna kick ass.

They're better than advertised, i'll agree on that.

But how are the fade able to chew them up every single time? they never fail to get abused against them, pathetic displays every time.

bevischief 12-18-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9220948)
They're better than advertised, i'll agree on that.

But how are the fade able to chew them up every single time? they never fail to get abused against them, pathetic displays every time.

They have given up this year the faiders haven't.

patteeu 12-18-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9220793)
It takes a certain kind of person to be an NFL head coach or NFL GM. I think they are INHERENTLY egomaniacs.

I think that's right. IMO, Pioli's personality failure (as opposed to his job performance failures) was insecurity, not ego. If he had the confidence to let his coach coach and to let his coach and players interact with the public like normal human beings instead of putting the organization on lockdown, he would have been a lot more likable.


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