Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 8853446)

We all knew this would happen. Ben is the guy with the power, he has the rings and really should not have to take shit from Haley and he won't as we can see now.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8853452)

He hasn't had a healthy season in ages. His body is breaking down. He can't afford yet another concussion. And a lot of that is because of Arians' wide open offense that allowed Ben to freelance and get clobbered in the pocket.

Arians was a productive oc. Yet he was let go. Did you ever stop to think that offensive production isn't always a good thing? I'm sure Arians was let go because the Rooneys know his style is going to shorten bens career.

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8853457)

Am I the only one who hates twitter?

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8853456)

Please don't let reason, logic or intellect stop you from agreeing with those less blessed.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8853440)

Boy are you ever right. I mean think of the audacity of some of these know it all coaches that think they know something the rest of the league isn't doing. Those morans with the "West Coast" offense I mean WTF was that? And the Forward pass? Stupid. If you don't run up the middle you aren't playing football thats arena football.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8853452)

I'm sure Arians was let go because the Rooneys know his style is going to shorten bens career.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8853462)

Not to defend Bob, but this whole "Bill Walsh was an innovative genius" is utter bullshit.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8853452)

He hasn't had a healthy season in ages. His body is breaking down. He can't afford yet another concussion. And a lot of that is because of Arians' wide open offense that allowed Ben to freelance and get clobbered in the pocket.

Arians was a productive oc. Yet he was let go. Did you ever stop to think that offensive production isn't always a good thing? I'm sure Arians was let go because the Rooneys know his style is going to shorten bens career.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8853463)

That's exactly what I was saying. However, I think it's a mistake. I don't think ben can transition his game. They would be more likely to win one more superbowl with him if they just let him continue imo. It will shorten his career but, the guy has already gotten you three Superbowl appearences. The Rooney's got greedy and I think it will cost them.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8853462)

Not to defend Bob, but this whole "Bill Walsh was an innovative genius" is utter bullshit.

He simply took the short passing game of Sid Gillman's offense and made it the base offense for the 9ers, and Hank Stram's "offense of the 70s" was essentially the same offense, with the added wrinkle of the moving pocket.

Sid Gillman was the last true innovator in the NFL.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8853424)

He set us back imo. We should have been good last year and we would have if he hadn't been the coach. I resent him. He goes around yelling at everyone and he never even played college football. He was a golf player in college. He's Happy ****ing Gilmore.

He is a legend in his own mind. It's the way he ran training camp last year. It's the way he had the three person playcalling system with him, Muir, and Zorn. He thinks is so smart and that he can revolutionize the game or something. There is a reason the rest of the league did it one way.

He only had success in Arizona because of the weapons he had. He doesn't know how to run the ball. He ran off Charlie Weis. He was nothing without Weis.

I believe him about the phone tapping. I think Pioli did it and is a sociopath. I just don't care because I hate him so much. He wasted my time for three years. He's the same thing as lane Kiffen. A loser who is riding his daddy's name. I ****ing hate him.:)

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8853471)

They can win multiple super bowls with a smash mouth approach too. I don't think either offense is any better or worse. The new approach will bring the steelers defense back. And it gets you big Ben at 100% instead of playing half of every season nursing a serious injury.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8853473)

No such claim was made, he adopted a new system at the time that no one was using and won SBs with it. Gilman just used the forward pass that had been used before. Plenty of short passes had been thrown before Gilman so by your definition he didn't innovate anything either. Genius in the NFL is doing something that isn't commonly in use and surprising your opponents with something they haven't seen. Thats the only genius that was claimed.

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 8853469)

Ben is going to shorten his own career with his style not his OC and if they want to protect his life span then why have they had a shit line for so many years? So Haley was hired to run the ball and help Ben? That's nutts. Haley was hired because of his family history to the team and they think for some reason he can do more with Ben. He also fits the coaching style they like but what they don't realize is that Haley just yells alot and is intense. He really isn't very good at being an OC.