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Dante84 09-17-2018 09:13 AM

Ian Rap: “Berry is improving”
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bucs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bucs</a> are both 2-0 and both could be getting healthier: KC S Eric Berry (heel) is improving and could practice this week, while first-round DT Vita Vea could do the same. Too early to know their status for this weekend, but positive signs.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1041705366101352448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

notorious 09-17-2018 09:14 AM

Mahomes is a miracle worker.

Sassy Squatch 09-17-2018 09:15 AM

Please. Get that useless ****stick Murray off the field.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 09:15 AM

I don’t expect him to be perfect, he’ll knock off some rust, but he could solve A LOT of problems on defense...

notorious 09-17-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13739864)
I don’t expect him to be perfect, he’ll knock off some rust, but he could solve A LOT of problems on defense...

No kidding.


Just calling out offensive sets and getting people where they need to be will be a big step up.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 09:20 AM

At 100%, he's basically taking the opposing TE out of the game. That is invaluable. Also a great run defender and tone setter. Team leader on defense.

Big addition.

ChiefsLV 09-17-2018 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13739863)
Please. Get that useless ****stick Murray off the field.

This. I've pretty much given up on Murray. The countless missed tackles including that head scratcher yesterday on his blitz of Roethlisberger, I mean wtf was that? He also doesn't cover well for being a former CB. Another tweener who doesn't do coverage it tackling well. Yeah I've given up

Halfcan 09-17-2018 09:21 AM

Berry would not have missed the wide open sack on Broken Ben.

That would have been a huge play.

rabblerouser 09-17-2018 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13739867)
No kidding.


Just calling out offensive sets and getting people where they need to be will be a big step up.

THIS.

rabblerouser 09-17-2018 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13739882)
Berry would not have missed the wide open sack on Broken Ben.

That would have been a huge play for the refs to throw a phantom flag on and call back.

Fyp

carcosa 09-17-2018 09:26 AM

Can't wait 2 cum

FAX 09-17-2018 09:26 AM

Rona Barrett working the tweets again.

I'm curious. Has Pap-aport ever actually "broken" a big story? I mean, one where he had the goods and no one else did?

Also, how tall is he?

FAX

staylor26 09-17-2018 09:28 AM

Man if Berry can just come back and be 75% of what he was in that Pats game last year, this team can win a SB.

Eleazar 09-17-2018 09:30 AM

"Could practice this week"

likely means, probably won't practice this week, and is probably still a few weeks away.

oldman 09-17-2018 09:30 AM

I agree that just having him on the field will help. He doesn't have to be 100% up to speed, just his leadership will be valuable.

CaliforniaChief 09-17-2018 09:30 AM

I'll be excited when he actually is able to stay on the field. He's probably our best hope for improving the defense.

Kman34 09-17-2018 09:31 AM

Maybe Mahomes can lay his hands on Berry’s Achilles and heal it..

Reerun_KC 09-17-2018 09:31 AM

He also needs to restructure his contract.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 13739921)
He also needs to restructure his contract.

If he gets hurt and doesn't contribute much again this year, sure.

But if he does came back, stay healthy, and help push this team over the top? :hmmm:

Eleazar 09-17-2018 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13739908)
Man if Berry can just come back and be 75% of what he was in that Pats game last year, this team can win a SB.

:drool: ROFL

The Franchise 09-17-2018 09:35 AM

Whatever gets Murray off the ****ing field.

tk13 09-17-2018 09:37 AM

It would be a huge help to have him back there, but if the pass rush isn't better than yesterday it'll only help so much. The DBs have to hold their coverages forever because we can't get to the QB.

WhawhaWhat 09-17-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13739874)
At 100%, he's basically taking the opposing TE out of the game. That is invaluable. Also a great run defender and tone setter. Team leader on defense.

Big addition.

Does Eric Berry at 100% exist anymore?

staylor26 09-17-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13739932)
:drool: ROFL

You’re a miserable idiot if you think otherwise.

In58men 09-17-2018 09:42 AM

We don’t need EB this week especially at home. This team/crowd will be fired up. Let him keep resting. Keep on rollin’.

IowaHawkeyeChief 09-17-2018 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 13739920)
Maybe Mahomes can lay his hands on Berry’s Achilles and heal it..

:LOL:ROFL

OKchiefs 09-17-2018 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13739937)
Whatever gets Murray off the ****ing field.

You'd think that clown would eventually improve. He singlehandedly lost the game in Oakland last year, and he's continued with the same crappy performance.

RunKC 09-17-2018 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13739908)
Man if Berry can just come back and be 75% of what he was in that Pats game last year, this team can win a SB.

In all honesty this team right now reminds me of the 2013 Broncos. They got to the SB with an average defense that year.

Sassy Squatch 09-17-2018 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13739960)
In all honesty this team right now reminds me of the 2013 Broncos. They got to the SB with an average defense that year.

You must have a strange definition for the word average.

Pitt Gorilla 09-17-2018 09:47 AM

He needs to man up and get out there.

Eleazar 09-17-2018 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13739949)
You’re a miserable idiot if you think otherwise.

Oh, no, I totally agree with you. Berry coming back will instantly make this bottom of the barrel defense into a Super Bowl caliber defense. No question in my mind at all.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13739939)
It would be a huge help to have him back there, but if the pass rush isn't better than yesterday it'll only help so much. The DBs have to hold their coverages forever because we can't get to the QB.

The pass rush wasn't horrible yesterday they just couldn't finish the job which had a lot to do with Ben.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13739949)
You’re a miserable idiot if you think otherwise.

No kidding.

Clay posted this yesterday:

Top 10 scoring offenses in NFL history:

1. 2013 Broncos - 606 points
2. 2007 Patriots - 589 points
3. 2011 Packers - 560 points
4. 2012 Patriots - 557 points
5. 1998 Vikings - 556 points
6. 2011 Saints - 547 points
7. 2016 Falcons - 540 points
8. 2000 Rams - 540 points
9. 1999 Rams - 526 points
10. 2004 Colts - 522 points

Current Chiefs pace: 640 points

4 of these teams reached the Super Bowl, almost all of them reached their conference championship game. Now, maybe KC doesn't end up on that list, but would anyone really be surprised?

Defense can use all the help they can get and Berry is certainly part of that. He's still arguably our 2nd or 3rd most valuable player, and we've won two tough ass games without him..

Eleazar 09-17-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13739968)
The pass rush wasn't horrible yesterday

So far we have 2 sacks, which is tied for 28th in the league. But that's 2 sacks on 111 attempts.

The two teams we are tied with for 28th place in sacks, Oakland and LA, have faced 67 and 68 attempts respectively.

We've seen 3 or 4 games worth of dropbacks by opposing QBs so far, and have 2 sacks.

RunKC 09-17-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13739963)
You must have a strange definition for the word average.

That defense gave up 48 points to Romo and 39 to Luck that year.

They were just as bad as us.

Sassy Squatch 09-17-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13739995)
That defense gave up 48 points to Romo and 39 to Luck that year.

They were just as bad as us.

Ok. So not average.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13739993)
So far we have 2 sacks, which is tied for 28th in the league.

But that's 2 sacks on 111 attempts.

The two teams we are tied with for 28th place in sacks, Oakland and LA, have faced 67 and 68 attempts respectively.

I'm not saying we kick ass but how many times did Ben throw the ball with someone on him or his OL pushed back into him. It was nutz.

BTW Rivers and Ben are 2 of the least sacked QBs in football.

****ing refs stole a sack and TD too.

ModSocks 09-17-2018 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13739968)
The pass rush wasn't horrible yesterday they just couldn't finish the job which had a lot to do with Ben.

He had 60 pass attempts and they could only muster one sack. That's horrible.

I actually thought the DB's did a much better job this past week than last. The Steelers didn't have a lot of seperation. I thought ScabDick had a solid game.

But that pass rush didn't exist. Ben had way too long. Even the Jags secondary would get torched if they had to maintain for THAT long

Eleazar 09-17-2018 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13740001)
I'm not saying we kick ass but how many times did Ben throw the ball with someone on him or his OL pushed back into him. It was nutz.

BTW Rivers and Ben are 2 of the least sacked QBs in football.

****ing refs stole a sack and TD too.

There's no way to spin getting 2 sacks on 111 attempts. It's horrendous.

I guess "someone was kinda close when he threw the ball" is going to be the new "punter setup"

CupidStunt 09-17-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13739968)
The pass rush wasn't horrible yesterday

Yes it was. Brutally horrible, in fact.

Seriously, why do some of you guys posts stuff like this? I'm really curious. Is it your delusional bias or do you actually... somehow... think this is true?

You could say the run D was fine (they didn't even pretend like they were ever interested in running the ball whatsoever), but their QB threw up 60 passes and we barely even SNIFFED him.

The Franchise 09-17-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13740005)
He had 60 pass attempts and they could only muster one sack. That's horrible.

I actually thought the DB's did a much better job this past week than last. The Steelers didn't have a lot of seperation. I thought ScabDick had a solid game.

But that pass rush didn't exist. Ben had way too long. Even the Jags secondary would get torched if they had to maintain for THAT long

Go back and look at the blatant ****ing holds that were happening. Yeah you have to beat the team and not worry about the refs....but the refs have ALWAYS allowed Pitt to do what they want.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13740022)
There's no way to spin getting 2 sacks on 111 attempts. It's horrendous.

I guess "someone was kinda close when he threw the ball" is going to be the new "punter setup"

Jesus you crying little bitch all I said is it wasn't as bad as you want to make it out to be.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13740029)
Yes it was. Brutally horrible, in fact.

Seriously, why do some of you guys posts stuff like this? I'm really curious. Is it your delusional bias or do you actually... somehow... think this is true?

You could say the run D was fine (they didn't even pretend like they were ever interested in running the ball whatsoever), but their QB threw up 60 passes and we barely even SNIFFED him.

I don't understand how people can say this. Ben got hit and threw the ball many times with guys hanging all over him.

Chris Jones had his damn jersey about yanked off of him several times as well.

Anyway carry on with yourselves.

ModSocks 09-17-2018 10:05 AM

I just can't decide who im disappointed in more. Houston or Ford. At least Houston has the excuse of being double teamed nearly all the time. Ford is getting the 1v1 matchups and can't win. I thought he'd be a bit better in a contract year.

RunKC 09-17-2018 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13740001)
I'm not saying we kick ass but how many times did Ben throw the ball with someone on him or his OL pushed back into him. It was nutz.

BTW Rivers and Ben are 2 of the least sacked QBs in football.

****ing refs stole a sack and TD too.

Houston was good yesterday but got jobbed by the refs. Mellinger and Teicher (yes even negative Teicher!) were in that stadium and both said they didn’t see a hold on Scandrick when Houston forced that fumble.

This shit pisses me off the most. This should not have been a TD. This is as blatant of a hold as I have ever seen in my life.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Big Ben line of scrimmage play we were just talking about. But look at Justin Houston, rushing against the left tackle. The LOS call is really close, but the hold seems pretty clear. <a href="https://t.co/vbNUCI6oPa">pic.twitter.com/vbNUCI6oPa</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1041680746405089280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 09-17-2018 10:06 AM

Should've had at least 2 more sacks. Phantom holding and Murray being the most useless sack of shit since Kendrick Lewis.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13740050)
I just can't decide who im disappointed in. Houston or Ford. At least Houston has the excuse of being double teamed nearly all the time. Ford is getting the 1v1 matchups and can't win. I thought he'd be a bit better in a contract year.

PFF said Ford had a pretty good day. Several pressures and a couple QB hits or something like that.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13740054)
PFF said Ford had a pretty good day. Several pressures and a couple QB hits or something like that.

Not possible/CP

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 10:07 AM

I’d like to know on how many of those pass attempts were we only sending 3 pass rushers. That played into it l, a lot.

In the 2nd half, when they blitzed or at least sent 4, pressure was for more common and it showed with Ben’s inaccuracies.

Marcellus 09-17-2018 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13740052)
Houston was good yesterday but got jobbed by the refs. Mellinger and Teicher (yes even negative Teicher!) were in that stadium and both said they didn’t see a hold on Scandrick when Houston forced that fumble.

This shit pisses me off the most. This should not have been a TD. This is as blatant of a hold as I have ever seen in my life.

Yup.

staylor26 09-17-2018 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13739967)
Oh, no, I totally agree with you. Berry coming back will instantly make this bottom of the barrel defense into a Super Bowl caliber defense. No question in my mind at all.

We don’t need a “SB caliber defense” with the best offense in the league. We just need a defense that can get key stops and this defense is already showing they can do that against two of the best offenses in the league, so why wouldn’t it continue with Berry?

Mecca 09-17-2018 10:09 AM

Ford would have had a sack on a play where he exploded around the OT and the OT's reaction was to reach out and hook the **** out of him...no call.

Chris Meck 09-17-2018 10:10 AM

well, replacing the single worst defender with a perennial all-pro would help you'd think. Let's hope Berry is still Berry.

Eleazar 09-17-2018 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13740033)
Jesus you crying little bitch all I said is it wasn't as bad as you want to make it out to be.

It would require a completely blind homer who had rose-colored lasik to think the pass rush has been anything but abysmal

RunKC 09-17-2018 10:13 AM

Eric Murray. Dumpster fire extraordinair

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid talked about Bob Sutton making a halftime adjustment. Oversimplified, it was bringing more blitzes, different looks. Worked enough, could&#39;ve been more. This is a big miss by Eric Murray, sack would&#39;ve meant 3rd and long. Steelers scored a TD on this drive instead. <a href="https://t.co/NpAqndWva9">pic.twitter.com/NpAqndWva9</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1041713360713207809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eleazar 09-17-2018 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13740052)
Houston was good yesterday but got jobbed by the refs

Houston has what, 2 tackles in 2 games, and nothing else?

Buckweath 09-17-2018 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13740062)
I’d like to know on how many of those pass attempts were we only sending 3 pass rushers. That played into it l, a lot.

In the 2nd half, when they blitzed or at least sent 4, pressure was for more common and it showed with Ben’s inaccuracies.

Those 3-man rush play were a disaster.

The first thing is putting pressure on the QB.

BTW, it is nice to have Berry back soon but I expect a major injury or injuries to come soon, just like every year. So, you might be getting a good one back but losing another good one.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13740068)
We don’t need a “SB caliber defense” with the best offense in the league. We just need a defense that can get key stops and this defense is already showing they can do that, so why wouldn’t it continue with Berry.

Exactly.

It’s the same principle that allows game manager QBs to occasionally win a SB like Dilfer. If you have an all-time elite unit on any one side of the ball, then your other unit, offense or defense, doesn’t have to be nearly as good to win big.

If the Chiefs end up having an all-time great offense, history says that they’ll probably at least reach the AFC Championship game and maybe further.

Molitoth 09-17-2018 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13740083)
Eric Murray. Dumpster fire extraordinair

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid talked about Bob Sutton making a halftime adjustment. Oversimplified, it was bringing more blitzes, different looks. Worked enough, could&#39;ve been more. This is a big miss by Eric Murray, sack would&#39;ve meant 3rd and long. Steelers scored a TD on this drive instead. <a href="https://t.co/NpAqndWva9">pic.twitter.com/NpAqndWva9</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1041713360713207809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It was a good call by Sutton and a terrible job by Murray.

The Franchise 09-17-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13740083)
Eric Murray. Dumpster fire extraordinair

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid talked about Bob Sutton making a halftime adjustment. Oversimplified, it was bringing more blitzes, different looks. Worked enough, could&#39;ve been more. This is a big miss by Eric Murray, sack would&#39;ve meant 3rd and long. Steelers scored a TD on this drive instead. <a href="https://t.co/NpAqndWva9">pic.twitter.com/NpAqndWva9</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1041713360713207809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dorsey drafted three ****ing DBs that draft and they all either got cut or they suck.

Eleazar 09-17-2018 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13740068)
We don’t need a “SB caliber defense” with the best offense in the league. We just need a defense that can get key stops and this defense is already showing they can do that against two of the best offenses in the league, so why wouldn’t it continue with Berry?

Give an example of a team that went to the Super Bowl with a bottom third defense.

Mahomes isn't going to throw 6 touchdowns every week.

RaidersOftheCellar 09-17-2018 10:24 AM

Call me delusional, but I'm actually not terribly worried about the defense. When Berry's in the mix, I actually like the starting roster. Of course, it would look that much better w/ Peters.

Two of the best offenses in the league on the road. One is allowed to hold on every play and every important call went in their favor, including a phantom hold that wiped out a defensive TD. Not many teams will get those calls. In fact, soon we'll be getting those calls due to the Mahomes factor.

I think as Berry returns and some of the younger players gel, this defense will be slightly better than what we've seen the last few years. And we won a lot of games with those poor defenses and a lesser QB.

lcarus 09-17-2018 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13739863)
Please. Get that useless ****stick Murray off the field.

They could leave him in Shitsburgh for all I care.

I'm getting real sick of our defenders missing the ****ing QB every time they have a shot to sack him. All a QB has to do against us is gingerly take one step in any direction and our guys go flying by like a ****ing parasailer with an AGM hellfire missile up their ass.

FringeNC 09-17-2018 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13740097)
Give an example of a team that went to the Super Bowl with a bottom third defense.

Mahomes isn't going to throw 6 touchdowns every week.

Yep. We led the league in offense during several of the Vermeil years, yet...

sedated 09-17-2018 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13740089)
If the Chiefs end up having an all-time great offense, history says that they’ll probably at least reach the AFC Championship game and maybe further.

<img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/19/!B9vyUpw!Wk~$(KGrHqN,!k8Ey+jC1vh8BM6r)cvb-!~~0_35.JPG">

staylor26 09-17-2018 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13740097)
Give an example of a team that went to the Super Bowl with a bottom third defense.

Mahomes isn't going to throw 6 touchdowns every week.

The Pats were pretty ****ing close last year.

I also don’t think this defense will play like a bottom 1/3 defense all year. We aren’t going to be playing against one of the best offenses on the road with a huge lead every single week.

The fact that some of you don’t understand that context is hilarious. This defense isn’t nearly as bad as they’ve looked against two elite offenses and HOF QB’s

Simply Red 09-17-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 13739954)
We don’t need EB this week especially at home. This team/crowd will be fired up. Let him keep resting. Keep on rollin’.

actually I think this is a good idea.

Lzen 09-17-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13739913)
"Could practice this week"

likely means, probably won't practice this week, and is probably still a few weeks away.

A few weeks away? I don't buy that. If that were true then they would have put in on IR with the designation to return.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-17-2018 10:34 AM

The Falcons 2016 defense wasn’t good.

The Franchise 09-17-2018 10:36 AM

Here are our next 6 games.

49ers
@ Broncos
Jaguars
@ Patriots
Bengals
Broncos

Jags, Pats and Bengals are really the only offenses that worry me out of those teams.

After that?

@ Browns
Cardinals
Rams - Mexico City
@ Raiders
Ravens
Chargers
Seahawks
Raiders

Rams, Ravens and Chargers will be tougher offenses.

And out of all of those teams that we play.....the Jaguars are really the only defense that I could see keeping up with us.

Chris Meck 09-17-2018 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13740130)
The Pats were pretty ****ing close last year.

I also don’t think this defense will play like a bottom 1/3 defense all year. We aren’t going to be playing against one of the best offenses on the road with a huge lead every single week.

The fact that some of you don’t understand that context is hilarious. This defense isn’t nearly as bad as they’ve looked against two elite offenses and HOF QB’s

I sincerely hope that you are right.

lcarus 09-17-2018 10:40 AM

Our schedule is pretty brutal looking at it after week 2. I'd say the only wins we can truly count on are the Cardinals and we'll beat Denver and Oakland at least once each.

Lzen 09-17-2018 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13740052)
Houston was good yesterday but got jobbed by the refs. Mellinger and Teicher (yes even negative Teicher!) were in that stadium and both said they didn’t see a hold on Scandrick when Houston forced that fumble.

This shit pisses me off the most. This should not have been a TD. This is as blatant of a hold as I have ever seen in my life.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Big Ben line of scrimmage play we were just talking about. But look at Justin Houston, rushing against the left tackle. The LOS call is really close, but the hold seems pretty clear. <a href="https://t.co/vbNUCI6oPa">pic.twitter.com/vbNUCI6oPa</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1041680746405089280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also, the right tackle held Dee Ford on that play.

ModSocks 09-17-2018 10:43 AM

The shining light here is that the Steelers and Chargers have a prolific passing attack that we won't have to face every week.

So no, i don't expect every game to be as ugly for the D as these first two weeks.

The Franchise 09-17-2018 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13740166)
The shining light here is that the Steelers and Chargers have a prolific passing attack that we won't have to face every week.

So no, i don't expect every game to be as ugly for the D as these first two weeks.

Exactly. This is why I think we hold the 49ers to under 24 points.

RunKC 09-17-2018 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13740142)
Here are our next 6 games.

49ers
@ Broncos
Jaguars
@ Patriots
Bengals
Broncos

Jags, Pats and Bengals are really the only offenses that worry me out of those teams.

After that?

@ Browns
Cardinals
Rams - Mexico City
@ Raiders
Ravens
Chargers
Seahawks
Raiders

Rams, Ravens and Chargers will be tougher offenses.

And out of all of those teams that we play.....the Jaguars are really the only defense that I could see keeping up with us.

Call me a homer, but goddamn does that 2nd half of the schedule look easy. I could honestly see 7-1

Pitt Gorilla 09-17-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13740050)
I just can't decide who im disappointed in more. Houston or Ford. At least Houston has the excuse of being double teamed nearly all the time. Ford is getting the 1v1 matchups and can't win. I thought he'd be a bit better in a contract year.

Ford played well, IMO.

CupidStunt 09-17-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13740113)
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Yeah the league is the same in 2018 as it was in 2003.

arrwheader 09-17-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13740167)
Exactly. This is why I think we hold the 49ers to under 24 points.

I pretty much agree with this. I don't think the D are world beaters by any means but they have had a tough start two road games against Two HOF QBs with prolific O's.

There are a lot of concerns though still but they won't be exposed as bad to lesser QBs.

htismaqe 09-17-2018 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13740097)
Give an example of a team that went to the Super Bowl with a bottom third defense.

Mahomes isn't going to throw 6 touchdowns every week.

I posted this way back in 2003 and haven't done any recent research since, so take it FWIW.

Both the 1998 Broncos and 1999 Rams has not only bottom third pass defenses, they were ranked like 29th and 31st.

The catch?

They both had top 3 run defenses and allowed like 3.5 ypc. The 2003 Chiefs allowed like FIVE.5 ypc, which is why they couldn't get off the field.

It IS possible for a bad pass defense to make it to a Super Bowl but it really isn't feasible for a defense that isn't excellent in at least one phase to make it.


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