Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8587559)

Again, I didn't say Orton is a HOF candidate. But he clearly did things better than Cassel. Biggest was probably diagnosing a defense. 1 sack in 3 games... while still throwing for 300 yards twice... as opposed to taking sacks or chucking into the cheap seats and throwing for 96 yards.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8587563)

Really the only difference I saw with Orton was less 3 and outs. In the red zone that guy was generally just embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8587656)

I've stated it before, and I'll state it again. Play calling in the Red Zone for Orton was pretty shaky. Bowe dropped an easy TD... INT on next play. McClain dropped one... would have been a tough catch, but should have been made none the less. And some questionable running plays bogged things down.

All this while Orton was learning new teammates and on his eleventy billionth new OC in a short time (I know you understand how that hinders a QB).

Not saying Orton over his career doesn't have a history of Red Zone failures. Just don't think it is/was all on him here.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8587731)

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8587731)

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...

You have ABC (Anybody But Cassel) disease my friend...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8587720)

Yet they averaged less than 20 points per game and barely beat the Tebow-led Broncos.

Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 8588384)

Yeah, you can ask the Steelers about barely beating the Tebow-led Broncos.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8587288)

That's exactly what Pioli wants you to think. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8588764)

All of this change is coming from the new pr director.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jack asked some good questions and Pioli answered them. I give them both props.

But it doesn't matter if we don't win some ****ing games, especially playoff games.

I really don't think Pioli is married to Cassel. I think the reason they didn't draft a QB is they like Spicoli more than anybody they could have reasonably drafted this year.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8586609)

This.

Just win games. Playoff games.

I actually think Stanzi might have a chance this year. Of course this could all be bs speak.

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8588829)

I liked the questions Jack Harry asked and he made Pioli squirm when he asked if he was "tied to the hip" with Cassel. Pioli stumbled and bumbled for an answer....

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8588840)

It seemed like he was asking questions printed from ChiefsPlanet.