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Right now. Everyone, even Herm is saying that the Chiefs are going to challenge the Broncos for the AFC West this upcoming season. Herm thought we drafted well. At least we're getting some love from ESPN. Haters, it's time to hate.

Isn't this what they said last year? I mean, we're better than last year. But 8-8 is a good ceiling.

Can't wait for the Hali/Manning/Houston human oreo cookie. Inspiration for Tom Six's next movie?

ill hate, because its gonna happen. We dont have a ****ing qb, i dont know how they expect to contend. If our Defense is on par with the 9ers, then maybe.

Who would you have preferred at QB?

Waiting for the Russell Wilson response.

The 9ers defense took advantage of getting to play with an Alex Smith led offense.. fairly long drives, few mistakes. Our defense had to play with Cassel and our awful offense. Remove MC and both sides of our team are vastly improved.

Really wish Herm didn't like us so much...(

We have Herm to thank for most of our best players, so he's A-ok in my book. He was a terrible game day coach, but the man absolutely has an eye for talent (at least on defense).

I'm maintaining my pessimism, because there's no point in getting your hopes up. Either we'll be wonderfully surprised or we won't be fooled again. Works for me.

It's cool to be an hater on CP. There's isn't a damn thing that Dorsey could have done to make the glass half empty crowd happy. Am I ectatic to have A. Smith as QB, hell no. But, ANYBODY other than Matt Cassel is better in my eyes. Thank God that experiment is past tense and we have a physically gifted rookie QB for our staff to work with. Bray's floor is Jeff George and his ceiling is Brett Favre.

See?

We ****ed.

WOO HOO!!!! IT'S GONNA BE 1995 AGAIN!!!! 13 - 3!!! HOME FIELD!!!






...and lose in the first round again due to piss poor QB play.

I'm going to bet that Andy Reid knows what he's doing.

The Chiefs will go at least 10-6 with a wildcard playoff spot this season.

It's hard to underestimate just how bad that coaching was last season, in my opinion.

You cant be serious

Quintupling a win total rarely happens in any sport bro

Coaching and bad QB play really costs some games last year. I think the Chiefs have a good opportunity to compete for the division.

Cutting the turnovers and having someone who can complete 60% of his passes plus the defense staying or marginally improving we should win at least 9-10 games.

I'm aware. I'm also aware that we had historically bad QB play, and while some here would paint Alex Smith as the same, that's simply not the case. We also had a joke for an offensive coordinator, a head coach who was at best confused and ineffective, an outdate defensive system that put no pressure on the QB despite having two excellent edge pass rushers, and had no legitimate NFL CB talent other than Flowers.

That's how you can go 2-14 and have that many pro bowlers. It's called imcompetence. I think the free agent signings filled most of the holes, the draft looks solid, and the coaching staff is full of proven winners. It's going to make a big difference I think.

It's still a bad division, so they'll compete. This should be an 7 or 8 win team with or without Alex Smith. The main complaint with him is that he's marginal improvement for premium price. If we can get Matt Cassel 2010 out of him then we can certainly get a wildcard and then get obliterated in the first round. Which would technically be improvement, but the road needs to continue well beyond that.

I would agree with all of that. I think Andy Reid can get that out of Smith.

Lol what? Jeff George was a number 1 overall pick and a starter, Bray is undrafted and will most likely never see the field outside of pre season.

Yeah, I think they'll be better. Coaching and more ball possession will help.

A rookie, i would state the obvious, but we went down that road already! Hell, i rather see Barkley then Alex Smith and im not even a Barkley fan.

At least one is unknown at the next level. We know Alex Smith is Average at best. So we are just delaying the inevitable. I dont believe in stop gaps. The whole Chiefs organization is a stop gap.

I agree with all of this but the Bray bit. IMO, Bray's floor is Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell. If he becomes a Jeff George as an UDFA, he's a steal.

You are an idiot.

Do you have any idea how bad the Faid and Bolts are? There are 4 wins right there. Split with the Donks (we actually have the talent to do that) and you are at 5. Do you really think we will lose to the Jags? We're up to six already. Add in the Tits, Browns, Bills and Iggles and we have our 10 win season.

So bad that...they swept us?

Welllll i would consider that a ****ing fantastic first year.:rolleyes:

The AFC West is never as easy as people think it should be.

Alex Myth to the rescue!!!

That's brilliant

Need to pick up a big third down conversion?

Call on Alex Myth

Needs to "take the top off the defense?"

Call on Alex Myth

Need a quarterback you can win playoff games with?

Call on Alex Myth.

Judging by your avatar and sig you couldn't be wrong.

And the guy you would rather of had would be better? Really?

Dude, I lost a bet that Jamaal Charles wouldn't be given 300 touches in the year coming off a blown ACL...I underestimated the combined stupidity of Romeo Crennel and Peyton Hillis.

That's why I have these

Jeff George was a gunslinger with a cannon arm who made poor decisions at the most inopportune times. I could give a rats ass where he was drafted. He'll never be mentioned in the same sentence as Joe Montana or Dan Marino. And I guaran-damn-tee you George couldn't make a throw that Bray couldn't match.

Tyler couldn't have picked a better team with a coaching staff who know his position inside and out. If this staff can't modify his imperfections, nobody will.

BTW.... Jeff George SUCKED

Yeah.... With a defensive game plan of one single objective..... Don't let Jamaal Charles beat you and Casshole will eventually give the game away. Jamaal will be BAD ASS if he had a legitimate QB to keep defenses honest.

I am definitely not an Alex Smith fan but here is how I look at it. People seem to forget we went 7-9 the year before without 2 of our best players. Our quarterbacks that year where Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, and Tyler Palko. Smith is better than all 3 of those quarterbacks by a wide margin. Most of our team just quit last year and everyone could see it. With this cake walk schedule we will be atleast 8-8.

Omaha Omaha

There is no reason to hate Herm edwards. He was trying when he got here. He is good with personel and at the time he was highly touted by everyone.

Barring any severe injuries, I agree:thumb: And if Alex did get hurt I wouldn't mind because I would love to see what Daniel could do.

Herm definitely knows his DB's when it comes to the draft. I'll give him that.

Matt Moore for one. You all could have gotten him as a FA and kept your second round pick. Then KC could have drafted a QB in the 2-3-4th rounds of this year's draft too. Then next year, with a much stronger QB class, if kc wanted to take a QB in the first round then they could do so.

This crap ain't rocket science.

So you dont understand the effect of Romeo Crennel on this team? Interesting.

Matt Moore. Jesus.

Matt Moore has more wins in Arrowhead than Alex Smith

I agree completely.

This suck it haters!!!

I was an admitted Herm supporter back in the day. He had a good eye for talent, for sure. Not the greatest game day coach, but we really haven't seen anything better since. I have my doubts on whether Reid will have a dramatic impact on changing that.

So wrong. That defense is really, really good. Fast, and stacked at every position. The only thing that helps the D is Andy Lee, their All-Pro punter. It most certainly was not alex smith.

LOL holy shit

Matt Moore's 6 year career with 2 different NFL teams:

448 Completions
758 Passing Attempts
59.1 Completion Percentage
5,268 Yards
33 TDs
26 INTs
80.5 Passer Rating (not bad at all)

Alex Myths 8 year career with the Niners:

1290 Completions
2177 Passing Attempts
59.3 Completion Percentage
14,280 Yards
81 TDs
63 INTs
79.1 Passer Rating (worse than Moores)

Matt Moore played on some bad Carolina teams and some bad Miami teams, he's nothing super fantastic but he would have gotten kc just as many wins as Alex Myth. They have almost identical passer ratings and completion percentages and Moore did it with a lot less talent.

Excellent point. It's been MONTHS since any NFL team has done it!

2011 Colts 2-14
2012 Colts 11-5

Shhhh! HonestMoronFan is trying to make a point.

they actually had a real QB to do it

I doubt we'll be able to trade up to take either of the top 2 QB's. They'll both likely be gone by the 7th pick.

:spock:

I can't believe Herm's wife let him leave the house looking like that.

Is he ****ing color blind?...

This.
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And let me tell you something right the **** now: there better not be even a MINISCULE "banging of the table" for next year's shitty, shitty, shitty, worthless QB class, or I will make it point to punch that marble-mouthed mother****er right in his snout before I die.
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I'm sure they're all quaking with fear.

"Him", not "them".
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No player that was a FA would have done that for Indianapolis last year. It took the rookie QB who is the second coming of Peyton Manning to do that sooooooooooo.

whatever.

I think we underachieved greatly last season. The turnovers. Horrible coaching. Cassel and Quinn. Berry hitting his stride late. DJ completely losing his discipline for a while. Soft ass non-attacking defensive scheme. Cassel and Quinn.

If they turn Houston and Hali loose instead of dropping them in coverage the majority of the time, and ATTACK, this D will look like a completely different unit.
We need to bring the heat so the dbs dont have to cover all day.

If Reid can find a way to put up points, and with Bowe and Charles, he damn well better be able to field a respectable offense, we could very well get to have our shit pushed in during the WC round. I think the D is about get nasty on folks.
9-7 would not shock me at all. Ive seen teams with less talent win 10-11 games while catching a few breaks.

If our D was on par with the 9ers shouldnt we expect 12-13 wins and a conf. champ. game. That is what A. Smith game managed them to. :shrug:

Well, we aren't, so...

I'm not going all "true fan" but I think we can compete this year, not for a Super Bowl but a wild card spot. And that beats 2-14. I think this coaching will make a big difference with this team. It didn't really have it here during the pioli era. We had it one year with weis on offense and then he left and we didn't play the easiest schedule the next 2 years, so we were ****ed. Now we have a competent and the best staff since the vermeil era. Wish we had a better QB obviously but let's see what happens. I think the D will be much improved and these players will be utilize correctly

I know.

How many times was our defense completely screwed by our offense turning it right back over? That was god awful to watch sometimes (most the time).

Having an offense sustain long drives instead of turning the ball over does make a big difference.

Shit, we have pro-bowlers on defense as well.

How many times did Romeo respond to questions by simply saying, "I don't know," or " I'm not really sure.".

I like the guy but you could tell he had no business being HC and the rumor was he has been having additional health problems which I hope getting away from the obscene hours the NFL coaches put in will help improve his health. He kinda got sucked into coming back and I don't think had any keen interest in becoming the HC but did so bc the players responded and like him as the interim guy and he was being a team player for the organization. Apparently, he needed to finish out the season as head coach or it would have made a pretty negative difference in his NFL retirement, pension, and health coverage, and so Clark deferred on making a coaching change during the season- which I think is the loyal and right thing to do because we weren't going to right the ship anyway.

You can knock him and say he was a bad coach, but I don't think that's what he really wanted coming out of retirement, and the blame falls more to Scott & to a degree Clark for signing off on the move simply because Pioli wanted a familiar cronie he thought he could control as his puppet after Haley told him to **** off and started doing his own thing.

Ya, I don't get the misplaced hate. He was the one of very few that was very vocal in thinking the Chiefs needed to blow things up and toss aside old and out of their prime vets to focus on youth and new talent- something that was fought against by the front office looking to maintain the .500 hovering record bc of fear of a rebuild and a few shitty seasons, which we got anyway.

Maybe I don't want him on the sideline as my head guy on Sunday, but he's a lot better than most of the color and commentary guys at ESPN. Not to mention, he one of the few national guys that actually pays attention to what KC is really doing and still talks with many sources in the Chiefs organization still so he has a bit better understanding of their plan and process then most national TV and radio guys.

Perfect no, but what has he said lately or in a while that causes sure ire by some? His local segments in KC radio are more illuminating than most. Or, maybe people just want more Racin' Boys, Jim pushing his diet cookies, Smoke n BBQ, or Stan Weber droning on in his monotone boring segments -

Harlan is so busy and long removed he has no special insight anymore with the Chiefs, and Holtus is so ra-ra cheerleader that his credibility is crap because he overhypes the positive and is rarely critical of anything to the point that his opinion has the about as much bite and candor as a toothless $2 whore.

**** Herm Edwards.

I admit to not watching many eagles games, but I do recall a game against the eagles and kc was cleaning their clocks, until halftime. Reid had to have a part in he halftime adjustments, at least that's what I'm telling myself.....

First: Herman Edwards was a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE, HC in every area that matters. His team did not get up for big games (playoff or division) and he had no clue at all how to "manage" a game.

He had no ability to respond immediately to how the defense or offense ways playing. Complete disconnect in game. Horrible clock management (not just here but in NY as well.) Horrible "feel" for the game or what was or wasn't the right decision at the time.

That said, he's an excellent scout of talent. Always has been. He should be hired by someone right now. He's as ****ing far off the ranch as anyone can be but he knows players and knows how to find them.

I'd pay him top dollar to be our head of scouting (is that even a position? I'm not sure. But I'd make him the Tzar of that. You're the Tzar of scouting.)

This year, I just want to have fun watching the Chiefs on Sundays. Seriously, I can wait on the playoffs if they can make it so I care again.

That's the way I see it too...10 wins. Reid and Dorsey have brought a determined, competent, common sense thought process to the team. They made the right #1 pick and there was a 50-50 chance of blowing it. Grabbing Bray was a really smart thing to do. But the summary provided above does indeed translate to winning. There is still some garbage on the roster but we made huge strides since January.

The thing I'm afraid of is how long it takes for the team to start gelling and playing within the new systems. I'm afraid we could 1-3 after the Giants game, but if they start to get it together then, before a rash of easier games, this team could easily compete for the AFC West or a wildcard.

And the defensive line scares me.... we'll see I guess.

I was at that game