I hated him from the beginning man. I nicknamed him Happy Gilmore because he was an angry golfer. I thought he was a terrible hire from day one. For years I trashed the guy.

I just wanted him gone from day one. I don't care what you think he was made out to be.

Yep. Golfers have never been successful at anything outside of golf. Never. Ever.

Personally, I love the game of golf. It teaches you discipline, concentration, focus, patience ... all kinds of useful things. Plus, it's cool to swing a stick at things and golf has a great name ... golf. Golf. Golf, golf, golf. It's an awesome name. Golf.

They could have named it like other sports ... Whiteball or Tinyball or Dimpleball or something like that. But no ... they said, "Screw that. We'll call it golf." Golf is cool.

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Necessary? I don't think so.

Getting rid of him was WARRANTED. He deserved it.

It wasn't NECESSARY, as that implies that him being gone would somehow improve this team. Obviously, it hasn't. At all.

So you're just narrow-minded then.

I'll admit. I didn't want Haley fired. This shit is really ****ed up now.

Does a wild bear crap on a golf course?

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This is reeruned.

It was absolutely NECESSARY to fire Haley. Just like it's becoming apparent that it's absolutely NECESSARY to fire Pioli and every ex-Patriot hes brought to this team.

Ok...

After the ninth game in 2011 with Haley but without Charles, Berry and Moeaki: 4-5

After the ninth game in 2012 without Haley but with Charles, Berry and Moeaki: 1-8

I have no problem with Haley being fired.

I have a real problem with anybody that believes that Haley was the reason this team was so bad, especially now that they're WORSE.

Haley needed to be fired after the Jets game because, as a public face of the franchise, he can't just act like that on TV. He can't, he should know better.

However, this front office did him wrong. He just chose to deal with it in the wrong way.

Todd Haley: 19-26
Romeo Crennel: 27-49

In and of itself (which is how we were speaking), it was NOT necessary to fire Haley.

If you want to include "firing Haley" as part of the overall housecleaning that's needed, I absolutely agree with you.

But by itself, it was not necessary and our current win/loss record proves it.

I'm sorry, but I can't compute such stupidity.

Haley was an incompetent HC and it was necessary to fire him. That doesn't change if he were to be fired with a group of people or without.

It might be useful to mention that the NFL entered the 2011 year without the benefit of an off-season training camp which was particularly harmful to young, inexperienced teams like the Chiefs.

It's incredible the lengths some people will go to in order to bash Haley who did nothing but drag this pitiful franchise by the short hairs into some form of brief respectability ... all, I might add, while he was being maliciously undercut and undermined by the GM.

Haley made mistakes, to be sure. But the amount of hatred directed toward him is way out of proportion to any errors he may have made. I'll bet he rues the day he ever came to work for the Chiefs ... and I wouldn't blame him.

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.420 win %

vs

.360 win %

Translation: Who ****ing cares?

The only way firing him is a NECESSITY is if it improves the team. It didn't. They were actually better WITH him.

So no, firing him wasn't necessary. Unless this record-setting shithole team was what you wanted.