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rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9162142)
Truth.

I'm the biggest Dio fan but to me, his stuff with Black Sabbath is untouchable. It's on a level far above even "Holy Diver".

Absolutely.

Ozzy and Dio were at their best w/Sabbath; conversely, any Sabbath w/o Dio or Ozzy doesn't even sound like Sabbath to me.

htismaqe 11-29-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9162145)
Well, he's wrong.

And Killing The Dragon, IMO, is Dio's best solo album. Great songs, great playing and great production from start to finish.

I wish he had done more records with Doug.

A case could definitely be made for this. :thumb:

htismaqe 11-29-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9162150)
Absolutely.

Ozzy and Dio were at their best w/Sabbath; conversely, any Sabbath w/o Dio or Ozzy doesn't even sound like Sabbath to me.

You mean you don't like Tony Martin? :p

Dr. Johnny Fever 11-29-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9162107)
I'm pretty much the same way. Love me some Waylon, Bobby Bare, George Jones, Conway, Tennessee Ernie Ford...

Jazz, I like Miles, Coltrane, Bird, Cannonball Adderly, McLaughlin etc. the usual suspects.

Blues, too many to mention.

Cool. Speaking of blues, you know Joe Bonamassa? Check him out if not.

rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9162143)
Whitesnake of the 70's and 2000's is completely different than the John Kalodner money grab album of 1987.

I HATE bearded ****tard John Kalodner!!

**** him!!

Look what he did to The Black Crowes with By Your Side!! They never ****ing recovered!!

**** John Kalodner!!

rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 9162155)
Cool. Speaking of blues, you know Joe Bonamassa? Check him out if not.

Ha. Yeah, we play Bridge To Better Days on the reg during long ass bar gigs, usually segue into it from Five To One.

I liked him a lot better before he hooked up with Caveman Shirley. He was a bit more raw back then.

I'm a big Marc Ford fan, Mick Taylor, Jeff Beck, Peter Green.

You ever check out the Steepwater Band??

Frosty 11-29-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9162142)
Truth.

I'm the biggest Dio fan but to me, his stuff with Black Sabbath and Rainbow is untouchable. It's on a level far above even "Holy Diver".

FYP for me.

I was a huge Rainbow fan in high school and was blown away when "Heaven and Hell" came out a couple years later. I also put "Mob Rules" just a slight notch below H&H. "Dehumanizer" and "The Devil You Know" aren't bad; to me, they just aren't up to the same level. Like htismaqe said, the bar was set really high.

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9162130)
Got any good Boston stories? I'm sure Driving Miss Omaha would love to hear them.

Not really, not that haven't been revealed over the years.

By this point, everyone pretty much knows that Tom recorded the entire record himself, in his basement, on a Scully 12 track machine that he modified.

He built the power soak so that he could record non-Master volume Marshall 1959 amps with the volume knobs cranked, which made for his "unique" sound. He played all the instruments on every track save for one, in which his friend Jim Messina played drums.

He was a keyboardist by nature but B. Goudreau taught him to play guitar. And not ironically, he sounded like Fece (although Fece didn't play on the first record).

He double tracked Brad Delp's vocals on every song but the second take, he'd speed up the tape machine by 5%, then play it back in normal speed. This made for the "wider", "chorused", signature vocal sound.

Tom was really an innovator and the production on that first record, unlike many albums from the 70's and 80's, really stands the test of time as one of the best produced rock albums ever.

rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9162152)
You mean you don't like Tony Martin? :p

Ha!

NO!

Eternal Idol, TYR, Cross Purposes...all of em are damn near unlistenable.

No wonder Geezer packed it in during that era...

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9162159)
**** John Kalodner!!

Well, I like John as a person.

And I have Black Crowes stories for days and believe me, their "decline" has nothing to do with Kalodner.

Those brothers are certifiable.

rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9162171)
Not really, not that haven't been revealed over the years.

By this point, everyone pretty much knows that Tom recorded the entire record himself, in his basement, on a Scully 12 track machine that he modified.

He built the power soak so that he could record non-Master volume Marshall 1959 amps with the volume knobs cranked, which made for his "unique" sound. He played all the instruments on every track save for one, in which his friend Jim Messina played drums.

He was a keyboardist by nature but Fece taught him to play guitar. And not ironically, he sounded like Fece (although Fece didn't play on the first record).

He double tracked Brad Delp's vocals on every song but the second take, he'd speed up the tape machine by 5%, then play it back in normal speed. This made for the "wider", "chorused", signature vocal sound.

Tom was really an innovator and the production on that first record, unlike many albums from the 70's and 80's, really stands the test of time as one of the best produced rock albums ever.

So good that the Rockman and the 80's recording techniques evolved in his wake.

Thanks, Tom.

:banghead:

Frosty 11-29-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9162145)
Well, he's wrong.

And Killing The Dragon, IMO, is Dio's best solo album. Great songs, great playing and great production from start to finish.

I wish he had done more records with Doug.

We don't have that one yet. I've heard it's really good.

I find myself fast forwarding whenever something from Master Of the Moon comes on, though.

rabblerouser 11-29-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9162176)
Those brothers are certifiable.

**** yes, they are - Chris especially.

I really don't like the way they handled firing Marc in '97...

What happened with Ed and Marc in '06 on the 'reunion tour'??

Let's get some Crowes dirt going...

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9162180)
So good that the Rockman and the 80's recording techniques evolved in his wake.

Thanks, Tom.

:banghead:

The Rockman has its place in rock music history. Hysteria wouldn't be the same if Def Leppard had used guitar amps instead of modified Rockman's. Neither would the Theme from Top Gun, in which Steve Stevens used a Rockman.

It's all over 80's music and helped to make the 80's sound as they do.

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9162127)
His name appeared in the liner notes and I was like 12. To me, he was "in the band". :D

They did? What the ****?

That record was Ansley Dunbar, Neil Murray, John Sykes and obviously, David Coverdale, save for the guitar solo by Adrian Vandenberg on "Here I Go Again".

They must have put Sarzo, Aldridge and Campbell's name on some of the albums and CD's. I know mine had the real players on the CD jacket.

Weird.


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