Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again
 

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Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 17, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT


Before Peter King put Tyson Jackson third in his Sports Illustrated Mock Draft two years ago, no one thought Jackson was even a top-15 pick. And wouldn’t you know: Jackson went third to the Chiefs in a stunning choice.

Jackson was supposed to be a safe, if unflashy building block to Kansas City’s 3-4 defense. Perhaps an answer to New England’s Ty Warren. It hasn’t worked out that way so far, but Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli said he would make the same pick all over again.

“I’d take the same player again,” Pioli said this week via Bob Gretz.com. “Absolutely. Absolutely.”

Hmmm. We suppose Pioli has to say that, but it defies belief. Jackson only started three games last year. The same draft class included defenders like B.J. Raji, Brian Cushing, and Brian Orakpo in the top 15 picks.

We know sack numbers aren’t a big deal for 3-4 defensive ends, but Jackson has one in two seasons. He was arguably the fourth best end on his team last year behind Wallace Gilberry, Glenn Dorsey, and Shaun Smith.

“I know the jury is still out [on Jackson]; we all need to see that,” Pioli said. ”Everyone in our organization is pretty confident still that Tyson is going to be a good player.”

We need to see it soon. Jackson isn’t a Vernon Gholston-type bust, but there’s no spinning the fact a lot more is expected out of a top-3 pick.

Repost. And what do you expect him to say?
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ugh...Scott....That entire draft was pathetic outside of Succop. Just admit it. You're lucky you made up for it in 2010.

Well mother**** him all over again then.

I think he'd be a great 4th round pick...

This has to be a joke. TJax is playing like a 4th rounder, wtf do you mean you would take him 3rd selection all over again?

Jeez he's a ****ing moron. At what point do you say" I was a ****ing moron, I should've taken brian cushing."

With Jackson still on the team, that is the right thing to say.

I don't know how anyone couldn't realize this
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Agreed.

Doesn't give me a warm and cozy feeling about the upcoming draft!
:spock:

WTF is Scott gonna say? Dude sucks and was a wasted pick. That'll do wonders for the kids confidence.

Pretty much. We're $60 million into that kid. Let's just write it off and blow him up now. He said what he needs to say to the media. I have no doubt he's kicked himself in the ass over that one a few times. Hell, Todd's probably busted his balls on it by now.

And it also might motivate him to get off his ass and prove something.

Scott, the correct answer on draft day and now should have been:
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2009/...rk-sanchez.jpg

Why? We would have went 4-12 with him last year.

I was somewhat in that boat then. But actually I am not so sure now. Sanchez is a good QB, but I was thinking possible future elite. Sanchez strikes me as another Eli manning.

You really think Matt Cassel won 6 games for us single handedly last year?

I'm sure he knows he's a wasted pick.

I do think he had a better regular season and he had less of a margin for error than Sanchez.

Sanchez had only 4 more TDs than INTs and that got them to 11-5.

Cassel had TWENTY more TDs than INTs and that got us to 10-6.

Cassel also played one of the biggest joke schedules in the history of the NFL and has four more years of experience under his belt.

Year 3 is when Sanchez gets to prove everything. He gets it now, he knows the system. He knows the NFL's speed. It's boom or break time.

Sanchez=Flacco

Yeah, I still doubt Sanchez would have had a 27:7 ratio even with this schedule. It's not like he played great against teams .500 and under. He had a 12:7 ratio against them.

I'll take Flacco over Sanchez.

In all honesty, we don't know that. As fans we like to bitch, but some players really disappoint in their first couple of years before they break out and justify their draft. I'm still hoping we are looking at a case like that. After 2011 I'll be sure one way or another.

I'm swaying that way too.

Even if he "breaks out" he still wont be worthy of that pick.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

!@#$ the kid's confidence.

Maybe his bosses telling him he's been a massive disappointment and that there are literally dozens of players they regret not taking instead of him will actually get him to play with some fire.

If the result of coddling the boy is his last two seasons of 'production', I think it's probably time to kick him in the teeth.

Depends on if he breaks out to be elite or not.

I know, I know,... I'm hoping 4 2much.

Glen Dorsey made huge strides this last year, so I'm hoping for the same from T Jackson. He has much to prove and so does many on this team have much to prove so we can build success around.

I think Glen Dorsey can lead by example for T Jackson to work hard and improve his game considerably. I'm not saying the job will get done but not wanting to give up on him to waist a pick that high in the draft.

TJ may end up as a bust, but am wanting him to prove himself otherwise.

If or when Jackson or Gholston fail, nobody cares but the fans of the team that drafted them. When or if Sanchez or Flacco fail, no NFL fan forgets. THe media will not let them, those the GM breaks.

Dorsey was considered the #1 player on many draft sites regardless of position. IMO, he has not lived up to that hype and I wonder if he has not reached his ceiling.

To be really honest, if Denver offered us their first rounder for him I might be real tempted for a chance to choose between Vonn Miller and Marcel Dareaus.

Let's all point at this ****ing reerun and laugh. Its cathartic.

If someone gave me the choice to **** Megan Fox or Kathy Bates, id really be tempted to **** Megan Fox.

I think benching him for a journeyman is the equivalent of kicking him in the teeth.

I don't see any coddling with Tyson Jackson going on to be honest.

No GM does that. Not publically, anyway.

Another substantive rebuttal from Saul. Stick to DC where not knowing your elbow from your asshole gets your taint a tongue punching.

Pioli is hoping for a: Romo did wounders for TJ, quote in the future.

Thanks for the advice. Should we go with Clasuen, Ghoulston, or some Lineman who winds up going in the 4th round with our first pick?

Maybe we should go with the guy who already won more playoff games in two years than ours won in 40. We could try that.

Trade his ass to Al Davis

Scott Pioli in safe answer to stupid question shocker.

You'd choose whoever had a brother because you're a bundle of sticks.

Would we even be close to the playoffs with Sanchez? Hell no.

Did he turn it up in the playoffs? Yes. Does that excuse his subpar reg. season performance? No. He's lucky he's on a team that requires only an average at best performance from it's QB to win. We aren't that team. Few teams are.

:LOL: Point taken. But a lot of people here were so excited and couldn't believe Dorsey "fell to us at 5."

Yea oh man i'm so glad we don't have Sanchez our passing game tore shit up last year!

You do realize that Dorsey isn't and hasn't been used correctly since we drafted him....right?

How do you know how he would do on this team? Look at their schedule compared to ours.

I don't recall any position "technic," and admit spotting that is not my strength. But We have used him as a DT in a 43 and a DE in the 34. So far he has not impressed per expectations.

Don't get me wrong, he has not been a bust IMO, but not elite and representative of where he was picked either.

Herm basically used him as a run-stuffing DT in the 4-3.......which was the opposite of what he should have been doing.

He already posted td to int stats for him against sub .500 teams. I would think that would be a good comparison.
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sanchez went plus five in td int ratio against sub .500 teams. plus four overall.

cassel was plus 20. Overall.

No matter what you think that is huge. Especially when you factor in offensive lines.
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Sanchez has been terrible his first two years as a pro. Maybe it'll eventually click, maybe it won't. Either way, I don't think he was drafted for what they expected him to do in 2009 and 2010.

Yeah he played so horrible that he took them to AFC Championship Game both years.

This is absurd already.

He's in the perfect situation and the likelyhood that could be duplicated here is massively questionable.

Agreed.
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no kidding. what are you guys expecting him to do...say nope tyson is still on our team and we really didn't want him had we known he would perform like he has

You can't say anything other than that. Even if Jackson were gone, you'd still just say that you felt you made the right call with what you knew then and there is risk involved in every draft pick. It's really a meaningless question. I'm glad that publicly he is backing his players 100%, so long as privately the organization is committed to doing every last thing they can to get something out of that investment.

Well, yeah.

Peyton Manning 19:7
Matt Cassel: 16:3

Against common opponents.

You see how bullshit that comparison is right?

Lol
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About the same bullshit comparison that you used early.

So you think Mark Sanchez would have been 27-7 on this team? Without Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, B. Smith.

Shit, their #4 WR was better than our #2.

Basically, the point is, we would be in no better situation with Sanchez. We'd probably be worse off.

Imo at this point we would be much worse off
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Even Trent Dilfers make Superbowls.

Unfortunately for the Jets, Sanchez isn't a Trent Dilfer yet.

Doesn't mean he can't be in time.

Bullshit we would be in a better situation.

You guys would be way better off with Josh Freeman than you would be with Mark Dilfer.

If Tampa Bay and the Jets switched QB's the Jets would have been hoisting the Lombardi trophy and the Buccaneers would have been 0-16.

No, you wouldn't be. The best QB from that 1st round(unless Stafford becomes healthy) is Freeman.

I agree.

why isnt jackson a gholston type bust? hes probably worse.

He's had a sack in two years. Gholston didn't have one in 3. And Jackson had more tackles in one year than Gholston did his whole career.

How?

Only QB I regret is Freeman. Other than that, nope. Freeman is the only one who has shown he's worth a shit.

Tyson Jackson ****ing sucks, ADMIT IT and move on.

I say cut his ass

yeah but at least gholston was so post to be picked high