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Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9247106)
Pretty close to the same damn thing Pioli walked into 4 years ago.

O-line much improved, Houston, and Berry. Shitty that's all, but that's not the point. I want to see all the teams in this league that supposedly have all these high level players at all these positions.

SAUTO 12-28-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9247136)
O-line much improved, Houston, and Berry. Shitty that's all, but that's not the point. I want to see all the teams in this league that supposedly have all these high level players at all these positions.

You just think they are high level.
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bricks 12-28-2012 09:32 PM

There is too much emphasis on talent in pro sports.

A team doesn't have to be loaded with talent to win.

As the saying goes, "best teams on paper don't always win."

I firmly believe that sports are ALL psychological.

Despite all the talent on the Chiefs, this team has never been mentally "fit" to complete.
That is more frustrating than anything.

*We only judge things based on what we can clearly see and so we base things off talent. The psychological aspect of sports is really hard to evaluate and assess as a fan but one can get some sort of an idea of where its at.

With this team, its ****ing atrocious. This team can't focus, isn't strategically smart or creative, and just doesn't have the right mindset. THATS THE PROBLEM!

I see it in a lot of games. Players commit the same mistakes over and over again by either committing costly penalties or turnovers at crucial moments in ball games. Why is that reoccurring? That is where one has to look at the mental aspect of things and it really comes down to a lack of disclipline, focus. The question is, do you attribute that to the players? Or the coaches? Who do you hold accountable for those type of miscues?

Another thing that pisses me off is seeing how these guys joke around on the sidelines or act like things aren't a big deal after they are getting killed in games. That sh*t shouldn't be happening. That is where I believe the players have the wrong mindset.


When your team is pulling off sh*t like that, you have to look beyond talent.

*Sorry OTWP58. Hope you don't think I'm trying to piss on your thread or anything. Just offerring my perspective

Coogs 12-28-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9247136)
O-line much improved, Houston, and Berry. Shitty that's all, but that's not the point. I want to see all the teams in this league that supposedly have all these high level players at all these positions.

Don't forget he lost a Carr. I know. I know. That's not your point.

SAUTO 12-28-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9247150)
Don't forget he lost a Carr. I know. I know. That's not your point.

Ok Pioli ****ing sucks.
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DeezNutz 12-28-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9247144)
There is too much emphasis on talent in pro sports.

No "Right 53" stuff, please.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-28-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9247150)
Don't forget he lost a Carr. I know. I know. That's not your point.

Shit man, if that POS had kept him...Add in 2 lock down corners and it's gonna be tough to find a team that meets the criteria. **** Pioli sucks ass.

DeezNutz 12-28-2012 09:37 PM

Lest we get too coy, it's true; Pioli really does suck shit.

Coogs 12-28-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9247155)
Ok Pioli ****ing sucks.
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There. That's better. :thumb:

SAUTO 12-28-2012 09:39 PM

Just in case no one has mentioned it...


Pioli ****ing sucks
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OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9247065)
Ryan Fitzpatrick ROFL

Since he was brought up...

How many games does this team win with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB?

keg in kc 12-28-2012 09:59 PM

If he hadn't missed at QB this wouldn't be a 2-win team. If he hadn't retained Crennel this wouldn't be a 2-win team. The NFL is not about having a team full of stars. It's about building a team around a handful of stars. They have that handful. What they don't have is the central piece that each of the perennially best teams have. And on top of that they have a coach that's about as wrong for the team as humanly possible. They're a 2-win team because every fear that every one of us have ever had about Crennel as a HC and Cassel as a QB came to fruition in one brilliant cyclone of suck.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9247217)
Since he was brought up...

How many games does this team win with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB?

5 or 6

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9247228)
5 or 6

So the same amount of wins he's led a less-talented Buffalo team to.

ROFL

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9247232)
So the same amount of wins he's led a less-talented Buffalo team to.

ROFL

:facepalm:

OnTheWarpath15 12-28-2012 10:29 PM

Yeah, I'd use a facepalm if I said something as stupid as you did too.


According to damn near everyone on this board, we have a ****ton more talent than Buffalo, yes? I mean, we play these guys damn near every year, and everyone talks about how shitty they are - that is, before they curbstomp us.

So riddle me this, genius...

How is it that a QB with a better supporting cast could only equal the same 5-6 wins he's getting with an inferior supporting cast in a tougher division?

crossbow 12-28-2012 10:52 PM

Suppose the Chiefs signed Peyton Manning. He probably would have been benched in favor of Mr. Cassel until about game 8. This team is run by idiots.

Don't believe me? How long did it take them to figure out Lary was done and Jamaal was a rising star? Only most of the season. Even us stupid fans could
see it and were getting frustrated at them for it.

BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9247283)
Yeah, I'd use a facepalm if I said something as stupid as you did too.


According to damn near everyone on this board, we have a ****ton more talent than Buffalo, yes? I mean, we play these guys damn near every year, and everyone talks about how shitty they are - that is, before they curbstomp us.

So riddle me this, genius...

How is it that a QB with a better supporting cast could only equal the same 5-6 wins he's getting with an inferior supporting cast in a tougher division?

You keep changing your argument.

Fact is, the Chiefs would be much better with solid QB play and better coaching. That has been my argument this entire time.

bevischief 12-29-2012 12:34 AM

A asshole and loser.

chiefzilla1501 12-29-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9247283)
Yeah, I'd use a facepalm if I said something as stupid as you did too.


According to damn near everyone on this board, we have a ****ton more talent than Buffalo, yes? I mean, we play these guys damn near every year, and everyone talks about how shitty they are - that is, before they curbstomp us.

So riddle me this, genius...

How is it that a QB with a better supporting cast could only equal the same 5-6 wins he's getting with an inferior supporting cast in a tougher division?

Our team plays soft with no coaching or discipline. Romeo is worse than any coach the raiders have had in a while, something I knew before the season even started. As many coaches as the raiders have had, they haven't had a whole lot of pure disasters. The two seasons prior were on the qb and injuries exposing how bad our depth was, which is on pioli. The raiders have had injuries at rb, but that's easier to handle when your backup is Michael bush. Not as good when your backup is Jackie battle.

Hootie 12-29-2012 10:04 AM

he's just an angry fan

I don't really get it.

God forbid we think we have talent. I mean, a lot of "experts" who aren't Chiefs fans picked us to win the division...because of the talent we have "on paper"...

No idea why that's so offensive to him.

Marcellus 12-29-2012 10:16 AM

I dont have time to read this entire thread but I offer up exhibits A&B.

A: 2010 SF 49'ers sucked balls (6-10) in the worst division in football. 2011 New coach a few players and OT in the NFCCG.

B: Seattle Seahawks 2010 went 7-9 in worst division in football at least according to the CP 2010 NFCW rule. Seattle in 2013?


The worst division in football went to one of the best in 2 season. Well the Cards may be THE worst team in football but Seattle and 49'rs are 2 of the best.

The level of talent on both those teams was very questionable in 2010. Not so much now. SF was known for a good young defense but the offense was beyond abysml.

chiefzilla1501 12-29-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9248139)
I dont have time to read this entire thread but I offer up exhibits A&B.

A: 2010 SF 49'ers sucked balls (6-10) in the worst division in football. 2011 New coach a few players and OT in the NFCCG.

B: Seattle Seahawks 2010 went 7-9 in worst division in football at least according to the CP 2010 NFCW rule. Seattle in 2013?


The worst division in football went to one of the best in 2 season. Well the Cards may be THE worst team in football but Seattle and 49'rs are 2 of the best.

The level of talent on both those teams was very questionable in 2010. Not so much now. SF was known for a good young defense but the offense was beyond abysml.

Green bay and new Orleans. They dominate on offense even with battered offensive lines and fifth string receivers. Our talent on offense is better than these teams.

Our offense has better talent than San Fran. They succed because of perfect coaching of discipline and technique.

The pats offensive line gave up 50 sacks behind cassel. They give up about 20-30 behind Brady.

The colts went from a playoff team to a one win team to a playoff team again. Guess what the difference was in those years.

This offense is more than good enough to support a good oc and a legit qb. I don't care how we compare to bad teams. Our defense has shown enough promise to believe we are really a few players and a new scheme away from being good. We need a great offseason. But two decisions we are in prime position to make are to overhaul the coaching staff and bring in a franchise qb. That goes a very long way. Who cares if it takes 2 or 3 years. With a rookie qb, that's how long it will take for him to be ready anyway.

The Bad Guy 12-29-2012 10:43 AM

I don't think the Bills have shitty talent at all. Spiller is a stud, they have a nice interior line (tackles suck), Johnson is a good WR, defense has pieces in the front 4 and secondary.

It's about the QB and coaching, which they suck at too.

I don't know why it's such a reach to think the Chiefs have talent in places.

chiefzilla1501 12-29-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9248187)
I don't think the Bills have shitty talent at all. Spiller is a stud, they have a nice interior line (tackles suck), Johnson is a good WR, defense has pieces in the front 4 and secondary.

It's about the QB and coaching, which they suck at too.

I don't know why it's such a reach to think the Chiefs have talent in places.

Even before spiller, they had Fred Jackson and Marshall lynch. They've had a top notch running game for years.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-29-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9248139)
I dont have time to read this entire thread but I offer up exhibits A&B.

A: 2010 SF 49'ers sucked balls (6-10) in the worst division in football. 2011 New coach a few players and OT in the NFCCG.

B: Seattle Seahawks 2010 went 7-9 in worst division in football at least according to the CP 2010 NFCW rule. Seattle in 2013?


The worst division in football went to one of the best in 2 season. Well the Cards may be THE worst team in football but Seattle and 49'rs are 2 of the best.

The level of talent on both those teams was very questionable in 2010. Not so much now. SF was known for a good young defense but the offense was beyond abysml.

ROFL


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