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Saccopoo 08-14-2013 01:06 PM

Sac's 2014 Chiefs Draft - Less Than a Month Away Mock
 
Update time for the mock to reflect the needs of the Chiefs as they appear with less than a month to the actual event - the 2014 NFL Draft.

Round 1. Kyle Van Noy, LB; BYU: 6'3 1/2", 243 lbs., 31 5/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands

- For a long time, Odell Beckham, WR; LSU, has been in this spot. After recent epiphanies (the depth of the WR position in the draft, the need for position free versatility in the LB corps, etc.), Van Noy is now the most logical and needed pick for the Chiefs with their first round selection. Van Noy is the most fluid and instinctual player in this draft. He has an uncanny ability to understand and diagnose a play from it's inception. He finds the ball exceptionally well and takes near perfect angles in pursuit. He's an excellent pass rusher with a variety of moves. He has terrific burst and plays sideline to sideline. He's excellent in coverage as well, showing not only top notch instincts but extremely fluid hips and feet and hands. Van Noy is position independent, capable of lining up at any of the four LB spots. He's also a superb special teams player, blocking numerous kicks/punts over his career. A vocal team leader.

Van Noy finishes his college career with the third highest Tackles For Loss in NCAA football history. 223 tackles, 61.5 tfl, 26 sacks, 7 Ints, 21 passes defensed, 11 forced fumbles (with three recovered for TD's). The guy is an impact four down playmaker.

Combine numbers for KVN:

Bench: 21 reps
40: 4.71
Vertical: 32.5"
Broad: 112"
3 Cone: 7.22 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.20 seconds

Van Noy stood on his combine numbers at the BYU Pro Day and just worked for teams in positional drills. Has been working out/training at since the Combine.

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Has a muscular, well-proportioned build. Quick get-off. Knifes gaps. Good pass-rush ability -- can push the pocket or pressure the edge. Keeps working to the quarterback and has deceptive closing speed. Eyes the quarterback and tries to get his hands in the passing lane. Athletic with good movement skills in all directions -- equipped to keep pace with backs and tight ends in coverage. Is rangy and can open up his stride and run vertical. Glides on the field. Scheme versatile. Football smart. - NFL.com
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•A very fluid athlete, which is hardly surprising when you look at his history. However turning to run in coverage was about as fluid as I've seen from a linebacker. Flips the hips well, and has a good break on the football in coverage.
•Active hands. It's unusual to have two positives to start based on coverage, but he really does do a nice job of getting his hands in-between the football and the receiver.
•Good change of direction. Really plants that foot and explodes either in pass coverage or in run support.
•Excellent awareness. Really has a feel for the game and takes good angles and barely every takes the incorrect first step.
•Leader: Showed a lot of character to battle through some injuries in 2013, and was seen as the defensive leader on the field, very vocal and willing to do the dirty work.
•Shows a nice array of pass rushing moves, has enough speed to trouble the edge but also mixes in some moves to keep offensive lineman off balance.
•Works through traffic well and just seems to disengage at the exact moment he should to make the tackle. Which comes down to having a good feel for the game. - SBNation

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Round 3. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor: 6'5", 329 lbs., 34 5/8" arms, 9 1/2" hands
- The OG position is one of huge need for the Chiefs. While they signed former Indianapolis Colts OL Jeff Linkenbach, there is no one who believes that he's anything more than insurance/depth for the now depleted KC offensive line, which saw the loss of Jon Asamoah and Jeff Schwartz in free agency.

Richardson was once considered a first round lock, but you can thank Pitt's Aaron Donald at the Senior Bowl for this gift of a pick. Richardson is an outstanding offensive line prospect with size and power who has played and excelled at both guard and tackle during his time with the Bears. 2013 First Team All-American, All-Conference, Big 12 Offensive Lineman of the Year and finalist for the Outland Trophy. He's got as much potential to be an All-Pro level guard as anyone in this draft. An absolute steal if he is here with this pick for the Chiefs.

Bench: 25 reps
40: 5.36 seconds
Vertical: 25.5"
Broad: 91"
3 Cone: 7.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.83 seconds

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Outstanding size and girth with legitimate NFL strength. Sturdy base and heavy anchor -- squats a small house and is dependable in pass protection. Generates movement in the run game. Can work his hips and gain positioning. Walls off and seals. Packs a jolting punch and plays with a load in his hands -- latches on, controls and steers. Wins in a phone booth and can manhandle smaller linemen. Enough balance, coordination and foot speed to pull and trap effectively. Has played tackle and guard. Conditioned in an up-tempo, no-huddle offense. - NFL.com


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Richardson ran the 40-yard dash in 5.23 and 5.28 seconds. Richardson, who has 34 3/8-inch arms, did 30 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press (at Baylor's Pro Day). Richardson has lost about 20 pounds since the end of the 2013 season when he was at the Reese’s Senior Bowl. He has worked hard to lose that weight and that hard work paid off at Baylor’s pro day, when he looked very good; he looked like the Richardson we remembered from a year ago when he was one of the most highly regarded offensive line prospects in the nation. He had gotten too heavy in 2013 and did not move well enough to be considered a top line prospect. Now, however, he might have moved back into second-round consideration for the 2014 NFL Draft after falling down into the third-round range with all that weight.
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Round 4. Devin Street, WR; Pittsburgh: Senior: 6'3", 198 lbs., 33 3/8" arms, 9 1/4" hands

- While the Chiefs didn't have much luck with the last Pitt WR they took, Street is a different type of animal. Superb hands, long arms and tireless work ethic, Street is the career receptions leader for Pitt and third all-time in yardage. He highpoints the ball extremely well, and is a crisp, precision route runner with no fear of catching balls over the middle of the field. His size, speed, vertical, route running and hands give him a real shot at being a true #1 WR in a couple of years.

Combine numbers:

40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

At Pitt's Pro Day, scouts timed him at 4.46 in the 40.

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Has excellent length and room for added bulk. Chews up ground with long strides. Is a big target underneath with a sizable catch radius. Shows natural receiving skills to track, concentrate and adjust. Soft, dependable hands to extend and pull in a throw off his body. Uses his big frame to post up defensive backs. Nice field awareness. Lined up outside and inside. Solid personal and football character. Productive, 40-game starter. Team captain. - NFL.com
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Devin Street is one of the best pass-catchers in the draft. He has absolutely fantastic hands and an uncanny ability to spear the ball at its' highest point. Instead of trying to catch with his chest, he prefers to use his strong hands to tear the ball out of the air, or out of cornerbacks' hands. He has great timing and great coordination, which allows him to win jump balls regularly and adjust to mis-throws. He is a good route runner and can work the sidelines well, displaying the ability to drag his feet several times in his tape. Having dealt with an inconsistent situation at quarterback throughout his time at Pitt, Street has developed a knack for being in the right place while his quarterback improvises, often having to peel off his route to come back to the ball. His size is ideal for a wideout, as his 6'4'' frame provides a lengthy target for the quarterback. While he works the sidelines well, he doesn't shy away from the middle of the field, and actually runs a very polished slant route. As Pitt's all-time leading pass-catcher with 202 career receptions, he obviously boasts a substantial college résumé. - SBNation
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Round 5. Matt Patchan, OT; Boston College: 6'6", 302 lb., 33" arms, 9 3/8" hands
- The Chiefs really don't have anyone behind Fisher and Stephenson at the offensive tackle position and haven't addressed it/overpaid for it during free agency. Patchan is an enigma. He literally could be one the best offensive tackles in this draft. He was a highly sought after prep recruit (top 50 overall/top 5 OL prospect) that originally signed with Miami. He's an absolute freak athletically (compares very well to both Fisher and Stephenson in that regard). Has excellent footwork, very good hands and is incredible at getting into the second level. Plays nasty. However, he's hardly ever been on the field due to a series of freak accidents unrelated to football including not one, but two scooter crashes and getting shot in the shoulder in a Miami park as a bystander as well as numerous football related injuries that include a torn pec, ACL, wrist, etc.

2013 was really the first time that he played a full college season and he was rewarded with a 2nd Team All-Conference nod and multiple Conference Offensive Line Player of the Week Awards. You just can't overlook this level of athleticism. The tools and attitude are there.

Combine numbers:
40: 4.97
Bench: 22 reps
Vertical: 33.5"

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Highly impressive raw numbers from the combine…Terrific athlete in the straight-line with some explosive characteristics…Can lead block down the field with the mobility of most tight ends…Takes sharp angles down the field and is very rangy…Plays with eyes up to see moving defenders, aids effectiveness as a combo blocker or handling stunts in pass protection…Places hands well to keep them inside the frame of defenders…Is a sticky blocker who’s tough to disengage from if he stays balanced on contact…Explodes off the ball as a power run blocker and can drop pads well enough into contact…Can deliver highly impactful blocks with a heavy punch…Will finish by driving defenders into the ground, great mentality…Son of an NFL offensive lineman.
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Looks the part of an NFL offensive tackle with broad shoulders, long arms and a trim middle. Very good initial quickness off the snap, firing off the ball when run-blocking to turn and seal his opponent from the action. Surprising straight-line speed to get to the second level and shows good lateral agility and body control to adjust to moving targets.

Easy athleticism is apparent in pass protection, as well, showing the balance and fluidity to remain outside in the NFL, perhaps even at left tackle (as he played for BC). Plays with good knee bend and on the balls of his feet, showing the ability to slide laterally, keeping his shoulders square to the defender. Latches onto opponents and shows good strength in his hands to control once engaged.

Undeniable talent whose question marks are largely off the field.

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Round 6. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State: 6'1", 337 lbs., 31 3/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands
- For some reason, the Chiefs FO/coaching staff just hasn't dedicated the backup NT spot to Jerrell "The Landshark" Powe. As such, there is a perceived hole behind Dontari Poe as the two down NT.

The word "massive" is apropos describing Carrethers, who is literally built like a sequoia tree trunk. The really nice thing that he does well is he's very instinctive in finding the ball carrier evidenced by having one game where he had more tackles in a single game than any other defensive lineman in college in 2013 (16 tackles). First team All-Conference.

Bench: 32 reps
40: 5.47 seconds
Vertical: 26"
Broad: 88"
3 Cone: 7.89
20 Shuttle: 4.60

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Big and thick with outstanding weight-room strength -- squats a small house and maintains low body fat. Has sheer mass and natural girth to dig in and hold his ground vs. double teams. Has a wrestling background and understands leverage. Has two-gap ability. Heavy tackler. Nice effort for a big man. Tough and durable. Solid personal and football character -- is devoted to his craft and has a professional approach to the game. - NFL.com
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Round 6. Dontae Johnson, DB; North Carolina State: 6'2", 200 lbs., 31 1/2" arms, 8 5/8" hands
- Johnson is an athletic, heady player who has played all over the Wolfpack defense including CB, OLB, SS and FS. While the Chiefs have added Jerron McMillian at S and Chris Owens at CB to the 2014 roster, Johnson gives them a player who will be able to play either slot effectively. Would be a great addition in terms of depth and special teams play.

Bench: 12 reps
40: 4.45 seconds
Vertical: 38.5"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.82 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.24 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.06 seconds

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Good balance and athleticism. Can run with tight ends in coverage. Good zone awareness. Efficient plant-and-drive. Nice length to compete in the air. Sets a hard edge as a force player -- works to get off blocks, throws his weight around and tackles aggressively. Has played safety, cornerback, nickel and special teams. Smart and hardworking. - NFL.com


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DaneMcCloud 08-14-2013 04:10 PM

Moar players from Utah, please!

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-14-2013 04:28 PM

Saccopoo : Mormon footballers :: Kardashians : The Dark Meat

OnTheWarpath15 08-14-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9885462)
Saccopoo : Mormon footballers :: Kardashians : The Dark Meat

ROFL

SAUTO 08-14-2013 05:27 PM

Lol. All utah all byu all the time
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Mr. Flopnuts 08-14-2013 06:24 PM

You're Mormon Sac, aren't you?

ChiefsCountry 08-14-2013 07:13 PM

No wonder Sac loved this offseason. Andy Reid - BYU, Alex Smith- Utah, Sean Smith- Utah, Matt Reynolds - BYU.

Reaper16 08-14-2013 07:32 PM

Its purely Moneyball, you guys. Players from Utah schools are the newest overlooked market inefficiency.

Saccopoo 08-14-2013 08:33 PM

What?

I thought it was pretty balanced. Three guys from Utah schools, three guys from other places. (Would have been 4 and 2 if I knew Chuckie Keeton was coming out.)

Saccopoo 08-14-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9885871)
Its purely Moneyball, you guys. Players from Utah schools are the newest overlooked market inefficiency.

Possibly true. Some of the players from Utah colleges currently in the NFL:

Utah:

Zane Beadles, Eric Weddle, Steve Smith, Alex Smith, Jordan Gross, Paul Kruger, Sione Pouhe, Matt Asiata, Brice McCain, Sean Smith, Koa Misi, David Reed, Robert Johnson, Tony Bergstrom

BYU:

Dennis Pitta, Ziggy Ansah, Brett Keisel, John Denney, Matt & Dallas Reynolds

Utah State:

Jarrett Bush, Will Davis, Donald Penn, Robert Turbin, Bobby Wagner

Actually, I threw the McGill pick in there just to be funny, as I really haven't seen him do much because of his shoulder injury last season. However, Van Noy and Hoffman are the real deal. We could do a lot worse than either one of those players.

DaneMcCloud 08-14-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9885999)
What?

I thought it was pretty balanced.

LMAO

O.city 08-14-2013 09:46 PM

Sammy Watkins should be our first round pick if he's available

Bowser 08-14-2013 09:58 PM

Tamba is likely on his last year of being a force at passrusher. Love the guy, but he's bound to lose a step.

And FFS, can we get some receivers in here? LEGIT receivers not named Bowe?

duncan_idaho 08-14-2013 10:53 PM

We'll totally draft the franchise QB next year, right?

When "the QB class is stronger" and "the value" of picking a QB at one of our spots is acceptable.

Right?

Sorter 08-15-2013 12:15 PM

Too much from 1 state. Also, the lack of southeastern conference representatives is somewhat shocking.

jd1020 08-15-2013 12:16 PM

LONG LIVE POLYGAMY!!!!!!!!!!!!

KCUnited 08-15-2013 01:24 PM

Ty Detmer for QB coach.

Saccopoo 08-15-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9887135)
Too much from 1 state. Also, the lack of southeastern conference representatives is somewhat shocking.

Screw the SEC.

And Van Noy and Hoffman are legit. Van Noy is pretty much a guaranteed first rounder and Hoffman should be in the 2/3 range.

From Bucky Brooks:

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As a young scout for the Seattle Seahawks, I learned from wily defensive coordinator Ray Rhodes that playmakers are valued at a premium on defense. He repeatedly told me defenders with a proven track record of delivering game-changing plays should be held in high regard because the NFL is about creating disruption and turnovers on defense.

When I cast my eyes to college looking for a defender capable of living up to that standard, I keep coming back to BYU linebacker Kyle Van Noy.

Now, I know some diehard SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12 fans will take offense to my selection of Van Noy, but he definitely has a penchant for playmaking. The 6-foot-3, 245-pound linebacker registered 13 sacks, 22 tackles for loss, six forced fumbles, two interceptions, two blocked kicks and a fumble recovery last season as a junior. Those numbers speak volumes about his ability to impact the game in every way.

Breaking down the All-22 coaches tape of Van Noy, I believe he is an athletic playmaker with exceptional instincts and awareness. He has a tremendous feel for the game, which is why he is always around the ball against the run or pass. He is an explosive "run-and-chase" defender against the run with a closing burst that allows him to track down runners from the backside. With a game built on finesse and athleticism instead of brute strength and physicality, Van Noy fails to consistently set the edge against powerful blockers.

Although he yields some ground at the point of attack, he eventually works free and fights to get in on the play late.

Van Noy is at his best rushing the passer on blitzes from the second level. He uses his quickness and agility to slip past running backs in the hole on the way to the quarterback. He also displays a natural "bend and burst" maneuver when collapsing the pocket from the outside on speed rushes. Although he lacks the hand skills and strength to overwhelm offensive tackles on bull-rush moves or other power-based techniques, Van Noy has a knack for getting to the quarterback off the edge. Most importantly, he has habit for knocking the ball out when he arrives, as evidenced by his 11 forced fumbles.

In coverage, he is a ball hawk with superb awareness and instincts. He deciphers route concepts quickly, while maintaining vision on the quarterback prior to the throw. This not only results in quick breaks, but it is one of the reasons he always appears to be around the ball as a zone defender.


From Walter:

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Van Noy decided to return for 2013 despite his strong juniot season. The senior's game is NFL-ready, but his frame looks a little undersized. Van Noy (6-3, 235) should get stronger to defend the run. It wouldn't be surprising if he is slightly smaller than his listed measurements. Van Noy could have the frame to add 10-15 pounds of bulk and that would be a good idea.

Van Noy is extremely instinctive. He reads plays quickly and finds his way to the ball. Van Noy is very skilled at seeing where the ball is going and getting to the point of making an impact when plays head away from him. His good instincts can be seen with his developed ability to create sack-fumbles. Van Noy's instincts are one of his best traits.

Evaluators from the passing-driven NFL are going to love how Van Noy really excels in pass defense. He is an extremely explosive pass-rusher coming off the edge. The senior has a great getoff and routinely burns offensive tackles with speed rushes around the corner. His trademark skill is his phenomenal blitzing. Van Noy is a terror off the edge with the way he dodges blockers to hunt down the quarterback. He is excellent in pursuit, too; closing in an instant with superb speed to chase down ball-carriers. Van Noy looks like he has the potential to be a special pass-rusher in the NFL.

Van Noy's prowess as a pass-defender can also be seen in his pass coverage. As an outside linebacker, he is smooth dropping into coverage and moves well in space. Van Noy reads plays well and breaks on the ball. He has tremendous ball skills and makes the most of the opportunities to create turnovers.

While Van Noy isn't the biggest defender, he is surprisingly physical. Van Noy is a solid run-defender and doesn't hesitate to mix it up with offensive linemen. He frequently puts ball carriers to the turf with authority, especially quarterbacks. Van Noy sheds blocks better than expected considering his size, but this is an area he could improve for the next level.

Van Noy also has a non-stop motor that helps him to make plays. He gives relentless effort and that allows him to make an impact coming from across the field.


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Cody Hoffman:

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As a redshirt sophomore, Cody Hoffman finished with the following receiving line: 61 catches for 943 yards and 10 touchdowns. He proved himself to be a productive and reliable pass catcher all over the field. With size (6'4") and strong hands, a future as an NFL possession receiver seemed attainable. And then he played his junior season. Hoffman tallied 100 catches for 1,248 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was magnificent. Now, as a redshirt senior, not only are there BYU school records within his grasp, but his ceiling as an NFL player has been expanded.


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Hoffman is a very good catcher of the football. He has excellent body control and tracks the ball well. He is a pure hands catcher and does not rely on his body to trap the football.

Hoffman is quicker than fast and does a good job creating separation with his ability to get in and out of breaks. He can also get open by using his ability to sit in zones and find soft spots in coverage. He is a typical possession-style receiver and an overall solid route runner.

Hoffman has great ability as a sideline catcher. He can position himself well, catch the ball and get his feet down very naturally. He works the sidelines and intermediate routes very well. He is a very well-balanced player.

Hoffman will compete for the football at all times. He will make tough catches over the middle and does not seem to be afraid of taking a hit. He goes into traffic and competes.

The Cougars have relied heavily on Hoffman and he has consistently delivered for them. He was a clear first option on third-down and red zone opportunities last season.



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RealSNR 08-15-2013 11:47 PM

Mormons can't jump

DaneMcCloud 08-16-2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9887343)
Ty Detmer for QB coach.

Screw that! Steve Young or Robbie Bosco!

Sorter 08-16-2013 01:36 PM

But really, far too many mormons.

jd1020 08-16-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9890519)
But really, far too many mormons.

I don't know shit about these mormon players but at least they play a position I could get behind.

Just out of curiosity I searched mock sites and Walter has us picking #14...

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Kansas City Chiefs: Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

The Chiefs just spent the No. 1 overall pick on Eric Fisher, but they'll need a bookend for him once Branden Albert moves on. If you don't think Kansas City would draft two consecutive offensive tackles with its first-round picks, well, remember who's making the decisions now.
Dear god will I ever lose my shit if we take another ****ing RT.

SDChiefs 08-17-2013 08:43 AM

Fail

Direckshun 08-17-2013 05:28 PM

I love your mocks, Sac.

That said, this thread has me rolling.

Bewbies 08-17-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9890849)
I don't know shit about these mormon players but at least they play a position I could get behind.

Just out of curiosity I searched mock sites and Walter has us picking #14...



Dear god will I ever lose my shit if we take another ****ing RT.

I knew it! Even taking a T at #1 overall doesn't stop the OT in the 1st mocks... ROFL

Mr_Tomahawk 08-17-2013 07:39 PM

11-5 eh...?

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-17-2013 10:03 PM

Definitely too many morons.

SanDiego49er 08-18-2013 04:07 AM

You sure like players from the state of Utah.

Saccopoo 08-18-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 9896586)
You sure like players from the state of Utah.

I live here. I watch them/read about them more than most people around here.

That said, Van Noy and Hoffman are legitimate talents. Van Noy will be a first rounder baring some huge slide. He was the better player with better talent than 2013 NFL Draft #5 overall pick Ziggy Ansah from the same team.

Cody Hoffman is the exact opposite of what we have in Jon Baldwin other than the size, which is similar. Hoffman runs exceptional routes, has terrific hands and plays hard every single down. He's going to make a superb possession receiver at the next level. If he doesn't get injured, he's going to break the vast majority of BYU receiving records this season, most of which are held by either Dennis Pitta (starting tight end for the Ravens) or Austin Collie. The guy can play and unless Baldwin has an epiphany, the Chiefs are going to be in the market for a solid, instinctive possession receiver this next off-season. Hes a bigger version of former Boise State, current St. Louis Rams receiver Austin Pettis. He'll be a 2/3/4 round draft pick.

I threw McGill in their for shits and giggles, knowing that everyone would go apeshit, which they did. However, McGill was lauded here in SLC as a top recruit when he signed with Utah in 2012. He was a first team Juco All-American with prototype size and speed. He's a legit 6'2", 210 lbs. guy with 4.4 speed. I haven't seen much of him because of the injury I previously stated, but if he's got any football skills at all, he's at least a latter round draft choice based on his physical skill set. In addition, Utah's HC Wittingham really prepares his players in terms of the next level, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. You are seeing a lot of Utes in the NFL currently.

People tend to have a myopic view of where potential NFL talent comes from, i.e., the SEC, but there is a lot of talent here in the mountain west. I'm just giving you a little wider perspective than what you'll typically find.

Pablo 08-18-2013 11:34 AM

LMAO

I know a guy who drove through Utah once. Maybe we can bring him in as an UDFA.

Chiefshrink 08-21-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9886072)
Possibly true. Some of the players from Utah colleges currently in the NFL:

Utah:

Zane Beadles, Eric Weddle, Steve Smith, Alex Smith, Jordan Gross, Paul Kruger, Sione Pouhe, Matt Asiata, Brice McCain, Sean Smith, Koa Misi, David Reed, Robert Johnson, Tony Bergstrom

BYU:

Dennis Pitta, Ziggy Ansah, Brett Keisel, John Denney, Matt & Dallas Reynolds

Utah State:

Jarrett Bush, Will Davis, Donald Penn, Robert Turbin, Bobby Wagner

Actually, I threw the McGill pick in there just to be funny, as I really haven't seen him do much because of his shoulder injury last season. However, Van Noy and Hoffman are the real deal. We could do a lot worse than either one of those players.

You forgot John Tait !!! Another so called LT that was really a RT taken in the first round:rolleyes:

Saccopoo 08-21-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9904252)
You forgot John Tait !!! Another so called LT that was really a RT taken in the first round:rolleyes:

I did mention "current" NFL players, however, if Fisher ends up being as good as Tait was, I'll take it.

Tait was as good at his position as anyone in the NFL during his career, and it was his departure that really started the downslide for the Chiefs offense. The guys brought in to replace him (Welbourne, Turley, Black, etc.) were all miserable.

Nightfyre 08-21-2013 09:25 PM

Maybe Sac should do an all-Utah mock every yearto get it out of his system and then do a real mock.

Chiefshrink 08-22-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9904252)
You forgot John Tait !!! Another so called LT that was really a RT taken in the first round:rolleyes:

You missed my point. RTs no matter how good they are shouldn't go in the 1st rd. Tait was to be our LTotf and didn't pan out. Now with that being said who else was still there for the taking at his spot at 12 or 13th I think it was??

Saccopoo 08-22-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9906095)
You missed my point. RTs no matter how good they are shouldn't go in the 1st rd. Tait was to be our LTotf and didn't pan out. Now with that being said who else was still there for the taking at his spot at 12 or 13th I think it was??

Nobody.

Tait had as good an NFL career as anyone in the 1999 Draft outside of Champ Bailey.

In hindsight, the only two guys I might have taken over Tait in that draft who were available was Joey Porter (3rd rd, #73) and Donald Driver (7th rd, #213).

RealSNR 08-22-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9906955)
Nobody.

Tait had as good an NFL career as anyone in the 1999 Draft outside of Champ Bailey.

In hindsight, the only two guys I might have taken over Tait in that draft who were available was Joey Porter (3rd rd, #73) and Donald Driver (7th rd, #213).

"See? I TOLD you guys!"

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Mav 08-23-2013 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9886178)
Sammy Watkins should be our first round pick if he's available

He is such a BEAST.

CoMoChief 08-24-2013 09:48 AM

love the first pick.

need to trade Hali in the offseason if at all possible.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-24-2013 10:35 PM

WE'RE NOT WEARING THE UNDERWEAR!

L.A. Chieffan 08-26-2013 02:36 PM

What a clown mock. i didnt waste five seconds of my life on that praise jesus

Red Chum 08-26-2013 02:51 PM

This draft is horrible. Not one SEC player?

Saccopoo 08-26-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Chum (Post 9917161)
This draft is horrible. Not one SEC player?

My point exactly.

Okay, Mr. Chum...who should the Chiefs draft in 2014 out of the SEC? Which player, which round would make you happy that they just drafted someone from that conference. I mean, we all know that the SEC is the end all, be all of college football and the Chiefs never need to look anywhere else for draft prospects.

I guess that you could make an argument for Alabama's Adrian Hubbard over BYU's Van Noy, but I personally don't think he's as good as Van Noy being slow off the line and really not a penetrator.

jd1020 08-26-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9917351)
My point exactly.

Okay, Mr. Chum...who should the Chiefs draft in 2014 out of the SEC? Which player, which round would make you happy that they just drafted someone from that conference. I mean, we all know that the SEC is the end all, be all of college football and the Chiefs never need to look anywhere else for draft prospects.

I guess that you could make an argument for Alabama's Adrian Hubbard over BYU's Van Noy, but I personally don't think he's as good as Van Noy being slow off the line and really not a penetrator.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9910321)
love the first pick.

Need more evidence?

Saccopoo 09-01-2013 04:23 PM

A little tidbit on Fuller from the first game of the season versus the almighty Crimson Tide:

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Alabama safety Hasean Clinton-Dix and Virginia Tech cornerback Antone Exum dominated the buzz entering the game, but it was Hokies cornerback Kyle Fuller who stood out Saturday, intercepting one pass from AJ McCarron and knocking down multiple others in the 35-10 loss.

Often drawing one on one matchups against star wideout Amari Cooper, the 6-0, 190-pound Fuller showed better-than-advertised closing speed as well as excellent timing and hand-eye coordination to rip the ball away on several well-placed passes.

The interception came with Alabama leading 21-7 midway through the second quarter. Fuller initially lined up 8 yards off of Alabama junior DeAndre White, before reading McCarron's eyes and cutting in front of the junior wideout to snatch away the ball. Fuller weaved for 11 yards before being tackled. Virginia Tech kicked a field goal shortly thereafter in what wound up being their final points.

While Fuller's impressive evening against the defending champs is sure to gain kudos with scouts, his name is far from unknown to talent evaluators. Fuller is one of four brothers who have played for the Hokies.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-01-2013 04:26 PM

I'll take another Hokie DB, please.

Reaper16 09-04-2013 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9931886)
A little tidbit on Fuller from the first game of the season versus the almighty Crimson Tide:

Fuller was pretty darn good in that game. He was caught out of position more than a few times, but he had the athleticism and instincts to correct himself right in time to make a play on the ball. There were a couple of passes were he didn't have any right to be involved in the play after the way he misplayed the WR, but he came back to swat the ball away anyway. Combine his natural instincts with improved awareness immediately after the snap and he could be a real player.

saphojunkie 09-09-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9886208)
Tamba is likely on his last year of being a force at passrusher. Love the guy, but he's bound to lose a step.

And FFS, can we get some receivers in here? LEGIT receivers not named Bowe?

The first part I disagree with, since I don't think his pass rushing has ever been predicated on athleticism or burst. He is all about skill, leverage, and relentlessness.

His skills will do nothing but improve. He's like Jason Kidd. When you start your hall of fame career with layups, your game doesn't suffer when you lose your dunk.

The second part I agree with wholeheartedly. I will be really surprised if our first round pick this year isn't a pass catcher, either WR or TE.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-09-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9957290)
The first part I disagree with, since I don't think his pass rushing has ever been predicated on athleticism or burst. He is all about skill, leverage, and relentlessness.

His skills will do nothing but improve. He's like Jason Kidd. When you start your hall of fame career with layups, your game doesn't suffer when you lose your dunk.

The second part I agree with wholeheartedly. I will be really surprised if our first round pick this year isn't a pass catcher, either WR or TE.

Does that first round Tight End play basketball in college and have the most reliable hands in the history of the position?

The mother****er better.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-05-2013 08:50 PM

Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson 1h
Damn Damn Damn RT @CBSSports Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton (torn ACL/MCL) out for season - http://cbsprt.co/KeetonOut (via @EyeOnCFB)

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-05-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10050025)
Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson 1h
Damn Damn Damn RT @CBSSports Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton (torn ACL/MCL) out for season - http://cbsprt.co/KeetonOut (via @EyeOnCFB)

Get Sacc a drink...

Sorter 10-07-2013 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10050025)
Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson 1h
Damn Damn Damn RT @CBSSports Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton (torn ACL/MCL) out for season - http://cbsprt.co/KeetonOut (via @EyeOnCFB)

Not good.

saphojunkie 10-07-2013 10:58 AM

The more I think about it, the more I want us to find a way to move up for Marquis Lee.

Direckshun 10-07-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10059349)
The more I think about it, the more I want us to find a way to move up for Marquis Lee.

Might not have to.

Saccopoo 10-07-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10050025)
Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson 1h
Damn Damn Damn RT @CBSSports Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton (torn ACL/MCL) out for season - http://cbsprt.co/KeetonOut (via @EyeOnCFB)

****ing horrible.

He was having a marvelous season to that point.

aturnis 10-07-2013 10:36 PM

Where's my stud safety?

Saccopoo 10-07-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10062570)
Where's my stud safety?

I thought about mocking HaHa Dix to the Chiefs in the first, but there is no way in hell I'm coming off of Gabe Jackson. That train is rolling right into the Draft 2014 station.

And I've got high hopes for both Sanders Commings and Brad McDougald. (McDougald had a very nice preseason if you remember.)

Safety is not a concern.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-09-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10062480)
****ing horrible.

He was having a marvelous season to that point.

Not really.

saphojunkie 10-09-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10059415)
Might not have to.

You think? That would be amazing. The dude is legit and teams will regret passing over him.

Saccopoo 10-09-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides (Post 10067927)
Not really.

Uh, yeah, he was.

Put his first five week stats up against any college QB.

ILChief 10-10-2013 03:09 PM

It's nice not scouting college players each week more than watching the Chiefs.

That having been said we need a WR

Nightfyre 10-10-2013 05:25 PM

We need a ****ing QB. That has not changed one bit.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-10-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 10070829)
We need a ****ing QB. That has not changed one bit.

Truth. I love Bray, but I'm not banking on him and Chase Daniel is worse than useless.

Nightfyre 10-10-2013 05:41 PM

I hate Bray. I hate Daniel.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-10-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 10070866)
I hate Bray. I hate Daniel.

Bray has some potential and he's under one of the best staffs for the task of shaping him. That said, we should always be looking.

Nightfyre 10-10-2013 05:47 PM

Your QB should always be an individual of high character, imo, and Bray clearly is not.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-10-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 10070896)
Your QB should always be an individual of high character, imo, and Bray clearly is not.

How do you get that? Were you of "high character" at 21/22?

Do you think TheRapist or Manning are guys of "high character"?

Nightfyre 10-10-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10070911)
How do you get that? Were you of "high character" at 21/22?

Do you think TheRapist or Manning are guys of "high character"?

I think competent and good leaders are high character and your QB must be a good leader. Big Ben is a terrible leader. He routinely throws team-mates and coaches under the bus. He is a low-character individual.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-10-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 10070940)
I think competent and good leaders are high character and your QB must be a good leader. Big Ben is a terrible leader. He routinely throws team-mates and coaches under the bus. He is a low-character individual.

That's where we differ, then. I want a winner with talent, not necessarily a boy scout.

the Talking Can 10-11-2013 01:14 PM

yeah, we ain't spending a 1st round pick on a guard...glad to settle that issue

ChiefsCountry 10-11-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10073168)
yeah, we ain't spending a 1st round pick on a guard...glad to settle that issue

Well we did spend the #1 overall on a right tackle......

Saccopoo 10-11-2013 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10073168)
yeah, we ain't spending a 1st round pick on a guard...glad to settle that issue

Gabe Jackson is special.

Absolutely enormous, very athletic and nasty as all hell. He is absolutely destroying people this season. And, to be truthful, neither Asamoah nor Allen have been that good so far this season. Other than a #2 WR, OG is looking like the most likely spot for an upgrade. And Jackson would be an upgrade.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-11-2013 08:54 PM

Normally I would not be down with taking another fatty. But, no good high round QB's this year, so keep building the line for Bray or whomever down the road.

Saccopoo 10-11-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10074197)
Normally I would not be down with taking another fatty. But, no good high round QB's this year, so keep building the line for Bray or whomever down the road.

Jackson is a man amongst boys. I think he's a better prospect than the last two "generational" guards Chance Warmack and David DeCastro. He really comes out of his three point with speed and power and has really good lateral movement even when locked onto a guy. He's just too much for guys at the college level.

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O.city 10-11-2013 10:24 PM

There's talk that 7 qbs get a first round grader his year

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-11-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10074521)
There's talk that 7 qbs get a first round grader his year

The system is clearly flawed.

Saccopoo 10-11-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10074521)
There's talk that 7 qbs get a first round grader his year

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O.city 10-12-2013 08:29 AM

I think bridgewater is a better prospect than rgIII. I'd also take tahj Boyd with our first rounder.

mszymko 10-13-2013 02:12 PM

I like your mock... hoping to see a flashy WR FA pickup to go along with a solid draft. Maybe we trade Bowe for someone who fits Andy Reid's offense a little better. Someone fast that can break big plays or a high draft pick.

Do you think we need some help/adjustment at WR?

...seems like A Smith is our guy and WR changes are going to be more likely then changes at QB to me.

Saccopoo 10-13-2013 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10075065)
I think bridgewater is a better prospect than rgIII. I'd also take tahj Boyd with our first rounder.

You've got Smith, Daniel and Bray for another five years minimum.

I'd seriously recommend getting this "draft a QB in the first round" shit out of your head.

Bewbies 10-13-2013 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszymko (Post 10081271)
I like your mock... hoping to see a flashy WR FA pickup to go along with a solid draft. Maybe we trade Bowe for someone who fits Andy Reid's offense a little better. Someone fast that can break big plays or a high draft pick.

Do you think we need some help/adjustment at WR?

...seems like A Smith is our guy and WR changes are going to be more likely then changes at QB to me.

Bowe is a stud. Perfect for this offense if your QB has enough balls to throw into even NCAA level windows.


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