If that was really Kim Dickens ass in that episode, wow.

I keep watchin.....but I feel like this show has jumped the shark. They turn Tara into the bad guy, but constantly show Jax doing despicable things this season and the past few seasons.

Horseshit daytime soap opera crap.


But I'll keep watching till the end. :)
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He's been a ruthless bloody slut since season 1

Jax is a bad guy. Hasn't done anything to change that this season. That beign said, Tara is not just now becoming a bad guy, and her screaming "what did you do to me" pissed me off. She came back to Charming in the first place to get him to kill her stalker. She is as crafty and shitty as the rest of them and always has been. She and Gemma are one and the same.

Yea pretty much....maybe it's why I'm tiring of the show. All these people are despicable human beings.

If Happy gets the Opie treatment, I will be so pissed. Opie was my favorite, and now Happy is. That is one crazy, smiling MFer, and I love him for it.

They didnt turn Tara into the bad guy what she was doing is what EVERY mother in the ****ing world should do, if they were in that situation. The problem, is it backfired and everyone found out.

I guess that could be the bad guy in a sociopaths world. I dont see her as a "bad guy".

Ophelia

I disagree

If she really wanted out she would have asked for that deal from the DA before her plan backfired

Unser warned her she was spinning too many plates and they all came crashing down.

Part of the Allure of her was that she did have that bad side to her but she was faithfully behind jax 110% - with her wanting to divorce Jax this season and being a sneaky bitch - I hope they chop both of her hands off and cut out her tongue and see what kind of job she'll get then.

Anyone just catch the episode tonight?

Wow weird.

I know this is just a show but it is pretty telling after all that has gone on with people on this show that this is your reaction to a female part is doing something wrong basically for the first time.

This is easily the show I look forward to watching the most week after week.

Twice! Ranks right up there with the Stahl death.

It's a pretty gross wrong. In fact I will never watch that episode again. That's a pretty visceral reaction.

Comparatively though...is it?

Think of the actions of almost every single other player through the years. Agree about the squeamish nature of the scene in question.

It's about what resonates. Bad guys killing bad guys. OK. Making your husband think his mother killed his kid? That kind of cruelty is new to television and very disturbing.

Seems like an over simplification of all the violence that has happened on SOA.

Oh Ok.

[QUOTE=Katipan;10206662]Twice! Ranks right up there with the Stahl death.

Definitely what I was thinking! Had no idea jax would have the balls to shoot Galen let alone go against the Ira. Always got a plan up his sleeve.

Getting caught up now. Fuuuuu.......

I answered a question on FB about most shocking SOA deaths, mentioned I didn't really care when Opie died and I literally got death threats.

Visceral reactions on a whole new level.

how did Clay ever last this long anyways!?!?!
think of all the crap he did. and finally.....just now that shit goes down. it's kinda funny actually. this show is on the decline. the last few episodes have been a nice pick me up.
I actually jumped when he popped Galen. LMAO

True to life Hells Angel too IIRC.

Am pretty much in love with every soundtrack from this series.

Me too.

I play the the youtube mixes.

Good Stuff.

Happy was at sturgis charging 5 bucks for his picture, that's just stupid.

So, what do you think happens tonight in the finale?

The Finale is tonight not tomorrow?

Today is Tuesday, isn't it?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh edge of my seat here.

10:34PM. ****ing A.

Wow, that was some ka-razy ending... Sutter never takes his foot off the gas.

I'm literally still giggling.

Everyone got what they deserved, so fitting....

Heh, i still cant believe you were giggling, that was an awful ending...

Nah it was fantastic.

The brutality couldn't have phased me at this point. Certainly have no sympathy for lil Miss Victim. It's not a love story for me so the more insane plot twists the better.

You're a sick puppy :)

You're going to have to be more specific.

In the sense that you don't see her as a victim, she was a great girl at first who got caught up in the wrong scene, and her husband didn't protect her enough.

And if Gemma had known the truth she wouldn't have done that...

Great girls don't chase after thugs. Some men can leave their work at the office but not when murder is on your daily to-do list. For crying out loud that good girl helped them kill stahl. From the moment she used Jax to chase off her stalker, she sold her soul.

Bah, lotsa good girls fall for bad boys... but i can see some truths in the rest of your points.

Since those are usually the only kind of men I date, and I AM a good...ish...girl, I'd have to see some truth in your post too.

Yay let's go shoot shit and split a hooker.

I'm down honey booboo, lets go!

She was not a good girl at all. She came back to Charming to manipulate Jax into killing her stalker boyfriend. Season 1 makes many references to her previous ways and her previous altercations with Gemma specifically. This has been in the cards since the first Episode.

Whoops I am late with that one!

Welcome to sick puppies anon!

I've watched every episode except for the first 4-5 of this season, she didn't come back so Jax could kill the cop, she didn't want anything to do with Jax at first, due to the complicated earlier relationship.

When standing at the cross roads of "hey, I just shot a guy," Tara chose to call Jax for clean up rather than the cops for support. She had a restraining order on him. She certainly wasn't going to be arrested. She could have casually hung out with a finger in his stomach hole helping out the dear soul.

Hmm, i guess that's true.

HOLY SHIT

Definitely can't argue with that!

like what is

He's going to save her life. He's going to rationalize it as doing it FOR jax's mental wellbeing. No one but those 2 know they were there.

Not to mention that he see's it as a way to save his spot in the club after blabbing to Nero, with Gemma on his side he's safe as long as her secret doesn't get out.

If she didn't want anything to do with him, she wouldn't have inserted herself into his son's medical case. She was manipulating him from the very start, and while it may be an mild exaggeration on my part to say she overtly wanted him to kill the guy, she definitely came back to get him to intervene. I just think with her knowledge of his life, she could understand clearly what that would mean.

She has been using Gemma's tactics to take Gemma's place all along. She even tells Gemma something like "I'm not the same girl anymore. I've learned some stuff." The visual image of her at Jax's side at the head of the table when he took the gavel was a direct illustration of that. She just got some stuff wrong and lost control. I don't doubt she does love him, but her acceptance of some of his violence, even as recently as Clay, while rejecting some other incidents speaks to a lack of solid ground to her victim-hood as well.

I also thought the show did a great job with the kitchen scene, and Sutter talked about it afterwards as needing to look very different to any of the MC violence. The organic nature of the sink and nearby fork was totally appropriate when coming to the violent conclusion of an arc about two people who have been using everyone else to hurt each other, but who finally have to grapple with each other all alone.

Heh, fair enough, it takes a pretty damn good show to get us folks all lathered up like this.

Yeah, the afterword show was interesting, it really helped shed some light on their motivations.

I forgot why this happened.

HOLY F***ING SHIT WHAT AN ENDING!!!!!! My wife just about lost it with that scene.

Welp, my wife will no longer watch this show with me.

I wasn't a big fan of this finale. It's not that Tara was killed but the manner it happened.
Gemma deserves to die. She is the most evil person on the show, and she is going to get away with it thanks to another pussy character named juice. I liked that cop too.


Was a little too harsh for my taste.
Grrrrrrrr.

To harsh? lol is this your first season? lol Sutter goes all in.

The death of Opies old lady was way way worse.

Great finale. Sutter and the writers had a good season. Prediction for next season: Unser willingly takes the rap for the murder. (Various reasons including his truck at the scene, dying with cancer, loves Gemma. Also, his conversations with Wendy and Gemma might have been a bit of foreshadowing.)

They will kill off any and all of the men that love Gem. There's some sort of ironic lesson for her. Unser will die saving Gemma, Nero will die saving Abel or Thomas.

Juice will keep Gems cover. Since that was supposed to be a parallel to JTs death causing the death of that crazy girls mom. Sutter is very circular, nothing will happen with Taras murder investigation.

End of the season has Jax and his boys running on some deserted beach like Shawshank Redemption. Closing credits show Tig in bed sleeping with his dog and his Venus. And Gemma all alone.

Wow, hadn't thought of that angle, i bet you're right.

His truck was gone by the time Jax and the police got there. Someone might have seen it, but if Jax finds out Unser's truck was there it's not going to take him long to figure out Gemma did it. At that point it would be sort of pointless for Unser to take the rap because Gemma will be dead.

Shopping cart lady in the alley where Juice dumped the evidence will bring something to light.

I don't think it will be because of her. She is just a walking foreshadow.

YES. yes yes.

Gemma is a gross nasty bitch. I can't wait for her to frigging die already. what a great actress......I HATE HER!
Juice.....in the immortal words of Chris Tucker.....

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5665101824/hA84BFEB6/

Jax is a stone cold killer now. he ain't gonna give a rats ass about you helping his nasty skank momma. you dead!

Excellent point, i was thinking the same thing when they showed her walking by after Juice dumped the stuff.

She's bound to eventually play some important role in all of it, or they wouldn't have her appear every 2-3 episodes.

The only thing i didnt like was Nero kinda bowing down to Alvarez. If Nero is a street guy, the Mexican Mafia that runs nor cal (Nuestra Familia) would NOT let some biker gang (mexican or not)run the show, they would get killed the **** off in seconds. They dont **** around and have a strong hold in every major town/city in Nor Cal outside of Fresno, They are their own entity lol.

Outside of that, i enjoyed this season. Sutter got back on track.

Finally had time to watch the season finale.

HOLY ****ING SHIT. What an ending.

Final season (if they stick with it being 7 seasons but I could see them extending it) will be nuts.

Nero is supposed to represent a small street gang. The Mayans are kind of modeled after the Mongols so it makes sense. Nero knows the Mayans could kill off the rest of his set so out of loyalty to his clique, he just goes along for the ride.

in california all northern mexicans operate under the Nuestra Familia (Norteno) small street gang or not, the NF holds authority over it all. They run the show. They have enough power to take out all biker gangs/black gangs asian gangs ect ect. Its that damned powerful.

Lets just say i know a little about how it runs here. I dabbed into it as a young kid and i know guys that still are in it and are in the actual prison part of it.

I know its just for TV, but i live in the san joaquin valley and like 30 min from where Charming supposedly is. lol Hell, there's a Mongols club house in the next town over. whichis like 5 min away, maybe 10. Hell, there is a Hells Angel's Chapter in Los Banos which is 20 min away off I-5. Thats pretty close.

Neither of which would have allowed The Sons to exist there anyways. I think it's probably a lot more fun if you ignore what you know in the interests of entertainment. Or guys would never watch war movies.

Yeah, it just irks me a bit, since where this show takes place is in my vicinity. lol Its agood show i enjoy it alot, but some of the stuff makes me cringe. lol

I bet! Are your cops so easily corruptable? :D

She's going to turn out to be the mom of the young girl that threw a rock through the window of the ice cream shop and works there now. I don't remember the details, but her mom went missing when John Teller was killed. Remember Jax saying that she looked familiar...

Her husband was pretty sure she was dead. It's not like she went missing in a snowstorm, she crashed into the pile up caused by the semi that killed JT. I think to make her the mother would be an incredible stretch that not even Sutter would do.

Juice feels so conflicted but he knows he betrayed jax. I thought he would kill Gemma too and make it look like her suicide thinking she told jax about the pill popping deceleration juice made to Nero.

Also, maybe it was already common knowledge, but the after the season show; I just realized Otto was the creator. Badass!!!