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Deberg_1990 07-24-2013 12:06 AM

It's amazing to me that any team would want Hoch for any sort of stretch run. Heh, your just asking for that to end in heartache.

HemiEd 07-24-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9830802)
It's amazing to me that any team would want Hoch for any sort of stretch run. Heh, your just asking for that to end in heartache.

ssshhhhhussh you

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-24-2013 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9830867)
ssshhhhhussh you

First rule of "screwing the other team" club - don't talk about "screwing the other team" club.

BlackHelicopters 07-24-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9829983)
Luke Hochevar - R - Royals

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Red Sox have been scouting Luke Hochevar.
He notes that the Sox "have not engaged in trade discussions with the Royals" at this point. Still, it's not a surprise that they're interest, as Boston is on the lookout for relief help and Hochevar has thrived in a bullpen role, posting a 2.00 ERA and 38/10 K/BB ratio over 36 frames. He's making $4.65 million this season before hitting free agency this winter.
Related: Red Sox
Source: FOXSports.com
Jul 23 - 7:21 PM

If Hoch leaves, and with Francoeur gone, that leaves only Getz to suck GMDM off.

-King- 07-24-2013 05:55 AM

Santana apparently wants to re-sign but hasn't been approached by the team about it.
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BlackHelicopters 07-24-2013 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9830911)
Santana apparently wants to re-sign but hasn't been approached by the team about it.
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Interesting

Nightfyre 07-24-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9830911)
Santana apparently wants to re-sign but hasn't been approached by the team about it.
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Santana is the kind of risk the Royals can't really afford to take. He's an on again/off again type pitcher who will be making probably somewhere around 15 per year.

duncan_idaho 07-24-2013 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9830802)
It's amazing to me that any team would want Hoch for any sort of stretch run. Heh, your just asking for that to end in heartache.

But look at his stuff! He's got it all! He peripherals are great, and his K:BB has been awesome out of the pen!

"Yes, Ben Cherington. Yes. He is great. We hate to give him up, but you may take him."

Santana and Hochevar to Boston for, say, Allen Webster, Jackie Bradley would be pretty sweet.

DeezNutz 07-24-2013 07:07 AM

It's ironic that we have Hoch's twin in the rotation right now, so we won't miss a beat when Davies is moved to the pen.

duncan_idaho 07-24-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9830934)
Santana is the kind of risk the Royals can't really afford to take. He's an on again/off again type pitcher who will be making probably somewhere around 15 per year.

----^ This.

I like Santana a lot, and he seems to genuinely like KC. But his jekyll-hyde nature makes him too big a risk for KC.

Who knows, though. They resigned Guthrie after last season because they were trying to compete. Maybe the same thing happens with Santana. I'd rather see them sell high with him at the trade deadline, but we'll see.

Nightfyre 07-24-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9830965)
But look at his stuff! He's got it all! He peripherals are great, and his K:BB has been awesome out of the pen!

"Yes, Ben Cherington. Yes. He is great. We hate to give him up, but you may take him."

Santana and Hochevar to Boston for, say, Allen Webster, Jackie Bradley would be pretty sweet.

Yes.... yes....

BigCatDaddy 07-24-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9830967)
It's ironic that we have Hoch's twin in the rotation right now, so we won't miss a beat when Davies is moved to the pen.

Was he used in high level situations in TB or like we have to use Hoch now?

siberian khatru 07-24-2013 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9830974)
----^ This.

I like Santana a lot, and he seems to genuinely like KC. But his jekyll-hyde nature makes him too big a risk for KC.

Who knows, though. They resigned Guthrie after last season because they were trying to compete. Maybe the same thing happens with Santana. I'd rather see them sell high with him at the trade deadline, but we'll see.

We can always trade him ... and then re-sign him in the winter. :D

duncan_idaho 07-24-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9830977)
Was he used in high level situations in TB or like we have to use Hoch now?

Looking at some advanced stats, a few things pop out....

1) According to Fangraphs, Davis threw his slider 10.9 percent of the time last year, and it was a positive value pitch - about 5 runs above average. He has thrown it zero percent of the time this year.

2) Instead, Davis has picked up a cutter that he didn't throw at ALL in Tampa. that has been a completely dogshit pitch. He is nearly 7 runs below average with that pitch this season while throwing it 22 percent of the time. His fastball is also 8 runs below average. Would suspect those two things are related.

What's terrifying? Neither one is as bad as LUke Hochevar's fastball last year, which was 17.5 runs below average.

3) Davis had slightly negative value in high leverage situations (-0.42) according to Fangraphs, which means he was 0.42 percent worse in those spots than if he had been in a non-clutch situation.

4) Looking at Baseball Ref's advanced reliever stats... Davis appeared 54 times in 2012 for Tampa, and 13 of those were "High Leverage" situations. 10 were "Medium." The rest were "Low" or clean innings.

5) Davis blew just one "save" in 2012 and picked up 6 holds. He entered in 9 save situations. Not sure what happened the other two times.

6) Only 5 of 20 inherited runners scored for Davis, so he did a pretty good job there. 25 percent is a strong score.

7) To show, once again, how stupid fWAR for pitchers is... Davis has a 1.1 fWAR score, which is flat-out stupid. bWAR has him at -2.0, which seems about right for the worst starter in major league baseball this year.

Cephalic Trauma 07-24-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9830907)
If Hoch leaves, and with Francoeur gone, that leaves only Getz to suck GMDM off.

And that little twerp can only take so much semen.


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