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vailpass 11-12-2012 02:51 PM

Victoria's Secret Show Angers Native Americans
 
When do we get to be done with having to hear this crap? It's hot bitches in undergarments FFS

By Richard Ruelas The Republic | azcentral.com Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:18 AM

The Victoria’s Secret might have meant to tease and titillate. It ended up sparking outrage among Native Americans for having model Karlie Kloss walk out wearing a headdress that flowed to the ground.

Photos of the Wednesday night fashion show were posted online and comments, mainly from the Native American community, followed.

In an article posted on lastrealindians.com , Ruth Hopkins wrote that the costume added to the hyper-sexualization of Native women. LMAO yea right She also said the war bonnet is considered, among her Sioux tribe, an honor worn only by someone who displayed valor in battle.

“We’re a people, not a trend,” she wrote. “We don’t wear costumes. We dress in regalia, and every single piece means something special.”

The Victoria’s Secret Facebook page has been peppered with outraged comments. Linda Kewanimptewa of Prescott posted that she was boycotting the store. oh please, don't stop bringing in your beads to trade. Victoria's Secret will go out of business without people like you. “I loved your stores so much,” she wrote, “but thanks for disrespecting my culture!”

A petition on change.org has asked the lingerie company to apologize. The Victoria’s Secret fashion show is scheduled to air on CBS on Dec. 4.

In September, the handbag and clothing company Paul Frank held a pow-wow-themed fashion show that featured plastic tomahawks. It apologized after complaints from the Native American community.

Earlier this month, No Doubt premiered a video for its new song, “Looking Hot.” It had singer Gwen Stefani wearing a headband and beaded dress and battling band members dressed as black hat-wearing cowboys. The band pulled the video down on Monday after receiving complaints from F.A.I.R. Media, which promotes accurate representations of indigenous people. Idiots. As if Gwen didn't make that look better than it ever has and do your image a favor

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...americans.html

lcarus 11-12-2012 02:54 PM

Good god, people are just looking for things to offend them now days. That lady can stick it up her ass and STFU.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 02:55 PM

I agree that this is offensive and she should remove the outfit immediately. On stage. Live.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637254.jpg

vailpass 11-12-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109489)
I agree that this is offensive and she should remove the outfit immediately. On stage. Live.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637254.jpg

Ugh. Big chief Rainman see'um far.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 02:57 PM

But before she removes the offensive outfit (or after - I'm fine with that), she should do battle with the cowgirl. Perhaps in an Old West-style oil wrestling pit.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637231.jpg

Rain Man 11-12-2012 02:59 PM

Does that Predator guy come after me if my pupils dilate when I see this one?

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637237.jpg

MTG#10 11-12-2012 02:59 PM

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/pro...55.gif?v101512

loochy 11-12-2012 02:59 PM

Oh yeah? Well their lack of immune system and lack of alcohol dehydratase offends ME.

HemiEd 11-12-2012 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9109485)
Good god, people are just looking for things to offend them now days. That lady can stick it up her ass and STFU.

Don't worry, Air Force One is already in the air to deliver a personal apology.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:00 PM

And who doesn't like a circus? Or an homage to the Revolutionary War? I'm not exactly sure what this is, but it makes me proud to be an American.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637203.jpg

MTG#10 11-12-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109489)

Too fat. /Omaha

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9109503)
Oh yeah? Well their lack of immune system and lack of alcohol dehydratase offends ME.

LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9109505)
Don't worry, Air Force One is already in the air to deliver a personal apology.

LMAO Would to God you were joking.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:03 PM

The National Association of Cotton Candy Dealers objects to the hypersexualization of cotton candy puffs.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637234.jpg

Stewie 11-12-2012 03:03 PM

What's the ratio of women complaining vs. men?

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109506)
And who doesn't like a circus? Or an homage to the Revolutionary War? I'm not exactly sure what this is, but it makes me proud to be an American.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637203.jpg

Yes please.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:04 PM

Women look really good when they're dressed up in formal wear.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637222.jpg

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:05 PM

I can't come up with a particular reason to like the costume, other than the fact that there's not much of it. I think this is a really good fashion trend if it catches on.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637204.jpg

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:07 PM

The Irish object to the hypersexualization of Irish women.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637209.jpg

Rain Man 11-12-2012 03:07 PM

Butterflies object to the hypersexualization of ... well, you get the drift.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637239.jpg

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109528)
The Irish object to the hypersexualization of Irish women.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637209.jpg

I object to those granny panties. She needs some of those string things that all but show her blarney stone.

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 03:15 PM

I can vouch for vailpass as I live up in Flagstaff where white people are the minority and indians rule. It's like Dances With Wolves up on this bitch. And the indians hate anyone not indian. They treat us like shit. Not to mention, I get so much shit wearing my Chiefs stuff. They are like, you shouldn't be wearing that, you're racist, you don't deserve to be wearing that, insert any other racist comments from them. They are evil. And there are drunk ones roaming the streets 24/7. A colleague of mine told us that her and other co-workers were eating at Denny's at about 7am and there was a group of drunk indians that came in hitting on waitresses AT 7 IN THE FREAKING MORNING THEY WERE DRUNK! It's insane.

MTG#10 11-12-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9109560)
I can vouch for vailpass as I live up in Flagstaff where white people are the minority and indians rule. It's like Dances With Wolves up on this bitch. And the indians hate anyone not indian. They treat us like shit. Not to mention, I get so much shit wearing my Chiefs stuff. They are like, you shouldn't be wearing that, you're racist, you don't deserve to be wearing that, insert any other racist comments from them. They are evil. And there are drunk ones roaming the streets 24/7. A colleague of mine told us that her and other co-workers were eating at Denny's at about 7am and there was a group of drunk indians that came in hitting on waitresses AT 7 IN THE FREAKING MORNING THEY WERE DRUNK! It's insane.

**** Indians. (I can say that because Im a quarter Blackfoot)

T-post Tom 11-12-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9109505)
Don't worry, Air Force One is already in the air to deliver a personal apology.

:spock:

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9109560)
I can vouch for vailpass as I live up in Flagstaff where white people are the minority and indians rule. It's like Dances With Wolves up on this bitch. And the indians hate anyone not indian. They treat us like shit. Not to mention, I get so much shit wearing my Chiefs stuff. They are like, you shouldn't be wearing that, you're racist, you don't deserve to be wearing that, insert any other racist comments from them. They are evil. And there are drunk ones roaming the streets 24/7. A colleague of mine told us that her and other co-workers were eating at Denny's at about 7am and there was a group of drunk indians that came in hitting on waitresses AT 7 IN THE FREAKING MORNING THEY WERE DRUNK! It's insane.

All truth here. They stagger up to you stinking, wanting a Jumbo Jack and a Budweiser.

T-post Tom 11-12-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109528)
The Irish object to the hypersexualization of Irish women.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637209.jpg

I'm a bit Irish and I'll drink to that.

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 9109580)
**** Indians. (I can say that because Im a quarter Blackfoot)

My wife is 1/16 Wyandotte. Great. We need to show respect for their lands and allow them to have their customs and traditions.
But they don't get to tell us what we can and can't do with images that have become part of the cultural prop drawer.

munkey 11-12-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109603)
All truth here. They stagger up to you stinking, wanting a Jumbo Jack and a Budweiser.

Try hitting Gallup NM on a Friday night outside of a liquor store...SAD...

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by munkey (Post 9109617)
Try hitting Gallup NM on a Friday night outside of a liquor store...SAD...

I'll bet. I've driven through NM but never stopped anywhere but Santa Fe.

munkey 11-12-2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109620)
I'll bet. I've driven through NM but never stopped anywhere but Santa Fe.


Do yourself a favor and don't...New Mexico is a state of love or hate. I for one don't miss it whatsoever. Now living in Bend Oregon can't even imagine moving back for any reason what so ever...other than the Mexican food...Sucks BALLS here... :(

mikey23545 11-12-2012 03:50 PM

Perhaps Native Americans and Muslims should sign a non-aggression pact...

kepp 11-12-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109609)
My wife is 1/16 Wyandotte. Great. We need to show respect for their lands and allow them to have their customs and traditions.
But they don't get to tell us what we can and can't do with images that have become part of the cultural prop drawer.

She's from KCK?

vailpass 11-12-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 9109683)
She's from KCK?

No, she's never been there.

Titty Meat 11-12-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109489)
I agree that this is offensive and she should remove the outfit immediately. On stage. Live.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637254.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G4JRS.gif

ThaVirus 11-12-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 9109501)

Eh, that's a bit much.

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109603)
All truth here. They stagger up to you stinking, wanting a Jumbo Jack and a Budweiser.

It's disgusting. My wife, who is originally from Flagstaff (I'm from Kansas City) told me that it has gotten worse over time. They have taken over. I have never felt this much hatred and aggression from people before. Just flat out rude and hateful.

ThaVirus 11-12-2012 05:08 PM

Do they hate black people too?

EDIT: Are there even any black people there?

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9109835)
Do they hate black people too?

EDIT: Are there even any black people there?

Like 13 that I've seen.

vailpass 11-12-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9109835)
Do they hate black people too?

EDIT: Are there even any black people there?

It snows there and gets below 40 degrees. That answer your question?

loochy 11-12-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109479)
Linda Kewanimptewa of Prescott posted that she was boycotting the store. oh please, don't stop bringing in your beads to trade. Victoria's Secret will go out of business without people like you. “I loved your stores so much,” she wrote, “but thanks for disrespecting my culture!”

Don't worry, they don't have anything that fits you. You couldn't shop there anyway.

saphojunkie 11-12-2012 05:20 PM

Women that hot could go in blackface and Al Sharpton would be waiting backstage with a bouquet of flowers and a Viagara.

It's a ****ing headdress. Settle.

It wasn't like, "Here's Tawny sporty a sassy satin bathrobe covered in smallpox!"

vailpass 11-12-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9109849)
Don't worry, they don't have anything that fits you. You couldn't shop there anyway.

LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9109861)
Women that hot could go in blackface and Al Sharpton would be waiting backstage with a bouquet of flowers and a Viagara.

It's a ****ing headdress. Settle.

It wasn't like, "Here's Tawny sporty a sassy satin bathrobe covered in smallpox!"

LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 05:26 PM

I believe at some point Buck said he prefers mexican food over BBQ, if I recall correctly...

**** OFF, YOU'RE DISRESPECTING MY CULTURE YOU RACIST BASTARD!!!

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109841)
It snows there and gets below 40 degrees. That answer your question?

Not an accurate answer at all.

vailpass 11-12-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9109924)
Not an accurate answer at all.

Thanks Poindexter.

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109938)
Thanks Poindexter.

I'm just saying, I lived in Ohio for 15 yrs.

It gets well below 40...

Easy 6 11-12-2012 05:58 PM

Bitching about the headdress is ridiculous imo... but wow, its a full on stereotype fest in here.

Reads like a thread full of Timmons from dances with wolves... "theys all just a bunch a beggars and thieves and stinkin drunk all da time..."

hometeam 11-12-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109514)
The National Association of Cotton Candy Dealers objects to the hypersexualization of cotton candy puffs.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637234.jpg

http://gifsoup.com/view1/2201448/hea...confetti-o.gif

tredadda 11-12-2012 06:04 PM

It is sad to think about, but Native Americans are about the only ethnic group where it still seems to be ok to be racist towards. Look at Washington's mascot. Had it been any other ethnic group and their skin color it would have been banned long ago. This goes for Redman tobacco, and the Cleveland Indians mascot with that cheesy smile etc....... I just don't think this woman's fight will go too far.

vailpass 11-12-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9109973)
Bitching about the headdress is ridiculous imo... but wow, its a full on stereotype fest in here.

Reads like a thread full of Timmons from dances with wolves... "theys all just a bunch a beggars and thieves and stinkin drunk all da time..."


Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9109991)
It is sad to think about, but Native Americans are about the only ethnic group where it still seems to be ok to be racist towards. Look at Washington's mascot. Had it been any other ethnic group and their skin color it would have been banned long ago. This goes for Redman tobacco, and the Cleveland Indians mascot with that cheesy smile etc....... I just don't think this woman's fight will go too far.

LMAO

Easy 6 11-12-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109999)
LMAO

Cheese all ya want, but thats exactly what it reads like.

And yes, i've lived around native americans in several different places, also have them in my family... and so much of whats being said is pure baloney.

vailpass 11-12-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9110008)
Cheese all ya want, but thats exactly what it reads like.

And yes, i've lived around native americans in several different places, also have them in my family... and so much of whats being said is pure baloney.

Which part is pure baloney? Certainly not the drunken panhandling in Flagstaff and New Mexico parts. I've seen it, we have posters in this thread that live/d there and witnessed it as well.
Would you like to tell us what we know?

Raiderhater 11-12-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9110008)
Cheese all ya want, but thats exactly what it reads like.

And yes, i've lived around native americans in several different places, also have them in my family... and so much of whats being said is pure baloney.


Yep. A lot of posters working up some bad medicine here.

Easy 6 11-12-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9110015)
Which part is pure baloney? Certainly not the drunken panhandling in Flagstaff and New Mexico parts. I've seen it, we have posters in this thread that live/d there and witnessed it as well.
Would you like to tell us what we know?

I'm sure that behavior has been witnessed, i've witnessed it myself in Great Falls, MT and Fairbanks, AK.

But i dont let it color my perception of an entire race of people either, because i've witnessed good people as well. My best friend in montana was a Crow, my very close uncle is a mix of Blackfoot, Cherokee and Sauk, until two years ago i worked with and really liked another, a SUPER nice guy, would do anything for anyone.

There are misbehaving drunks everywhere and in all colors.

Setsuna 11-12-2012 06:21 PM

I'm like 12% Cherokee. I'm offended! :# :cuss:

KCUnited 11-12-2012 06:25 PM

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8546/16681312.jpg

Iowanian 11-12-2012 06:26 PM

HOW

Rain Man 11-12-2012 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9110044)
I'm like 12% Cherokee. I'm offended! :# :cuss:

Are you completely offended or only 12% offended? Because 12% is probably really only slightly indignant.

GloryDayz 11-12-2012 06:37 PM

There's no way that's offensive. NO WAY! And she looks like she's wearing Mic-O-Say claws!

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9110044)
I'm like 12% Cherokee. I'm offended! :# :cuss:

You're 100% black.

Gonzo 11-12-2012 06:38 PM

Victoria Secret needs to apologize immediately. Maybe send a nice gift-basket full of assorted blankets and beads?

Chiefs Pantalones 11-12-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9110041)
I'm sure that behavior has been witnessed, i've witnessed it myself in Great Falls, MT and Fairbanks, AK.

But i dont let it color my perception of an entire race of people either, because i've witnessed good people as well. My best friend in montana was a Crow, my very close uncle is a mix of Blackfoot, Cherokee and Sauk, until two years ago i worked with and really liked another, a SUPER nice guy, would do anything for anyone.

There are misbehaving drunks everywhere and in all colors.

No doubt that it's every race. I'm not exaggerating though. It is EVERYWHERE here. Rudeness and hatred everywhere directed toward anyone not indian. It's like off a movie it's so ridiculous. It's that crazy.

Graystoke 11-12-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109489)
I agree that this is offensive and she should remove the outfit immediately. On stage. Live.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637254.jpg

Just imagine if she got out the Peace Pipe.

I would smoke to a piece...oh yeah1

Aries Walker 11-12-2012 08:00 PM

Here's how you can tell if Native Americans have it worse than any other ethnic group.

A. Check out Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001..._7_xlarge.jpeg

Now imagine it as black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Arabic, or any other nationality in the world. How do you think members of that nationality would react?

B. Consider the name "Redskins". As above, apply it to any other, using an equivalent term. How long would it take before the corporate headquarters was stormed?

C. Imagine if this thread was about blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews, Arabs, or any other nationality. How would it have gone over if the equivalent of any of these were said about them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 9109501)
Native Americans: Should have fought harder, you pussies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9109560)
They are evil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9109603)
All truth here. They stagger up to you stinking, wanting a Jumbo Jack and a Budweiser.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 9110122)
Maybe send a nice gift-basket full of assorted blankets and beads?

D. Imagine a black, Latino, Asian, Jew or Arab wanting to return to his homeland - to see the heritage of his ancestors, to meet the people descended from their common origins, to see the land from which his family came. Now imagine a Native American wanting to do the same. He can't, because you're standing on it.

E. Imagine if you were a Native American. Imagine growing up on a reservation, where your people were herded centuries ago, and living your whole life in probably the most rampant poverty in the nation. Imagine hearing your grandparents tell of when the schoolteachers would beat them with sticks if they displayed their cultural heritage at all, and seeing the faces of the leaders of the people who victimized you for years blasted into the rock wall of your holy land, to great acclaim. Imagine growing up seeing your people depicted in the movies by Italians and Spaniards, and reading all about European heroes and explorers in history class, but hearing names like Massasoit, Chief Joseph, Opchanacanough, Black Elk, Sequoyah, and Mankiller only at home. Imagine living with this every day of your life, watching the grand history of all of your people vanish by inches from the only place on Earth where it exists, and see anyone who stands up to fight for it dismissed as a drunk, an idiot, or a drunken idiot. Now imagine that one of the few sacred cultural symbols you have left is glamorized and propped on the head of a white runway model in a fashion show.

Sure, there are Natives with a giant chip on their shoulder against white people. There are a lot of them. There are also a lot of white people with giant chips on their shoulders against Natives (some of them in this very thread). Who do you think is more justified in having that chip? And regardless, is it fair to color an entire race of people based only on the ones you stumble across in a Flagstaff 7-11?

Last thing, I promise: In rereading what I just wrote, it occurs to me that this post, while true, is also a preachy, depressing, pompous bloviation on my part. Sorry about that. By way of atonement, I offer you this YouTube about Joe Medicine Crow, a war hero and inspiration, in an effort to temper this atrocity of a post. Enjoy.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/O_9-arto8D8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

MTG#10 11-13-2012 03:37 PM

My grandma (mom's mother) was pure Blackfoot. So Im 1/4 there plus there is a lot of Cherokee on my dad's side. If I want to trash talk my own people I will. That's what those ****ers get for tearing up our railroads.

Inspector 11-13-2012 03:43 PM

I have a very strong native American heritage and I would be outraged if I weren't getting so damn drunk again.

durtyrute 11-13-2012 03:46 PM

The race/color/nationality/people/social/political party-ism is strong on this site.

vailpass 11-13-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9110041)
I'm sure that behavior has been witnessed, i've witnessed it myself in Great Falls, MT and Fairbanks, AK.

But i dont let it color my perception of an entire race of people either, because i've witnessed good people as well. My best friend in montana was a Crow, my very close uncle is a mix of Blackfoot, Cherokee and Sauk, until two years ago i worked with and really liked another, a SUPER nice guy, would do anything for anyone.

There are misbehaving drunks everywhere and in all colors.

Of course, nobody thinks the behavior of one group means 100% of that people act the same way.

The point of this thread is to lament the efforts of some natives to control what private entities can do, say, wear, etc. with images and concepts that have become part of the public domain.

vailpass 11-13-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 9110806)
Here's how you can tell if Native Americans have it worse than any other ethnic group.

A. Check out Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001..._7_xlarge.jpeg

Now imagine it as black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Arabic, or any other nationality in the world. How do you think members of that nationality would react?

B. Consider the name "Redskins". As above, apply it to any other, using an equivalent term. How long would it take before the corporate headquarters was stormed?

C. Imagine if this thread was about blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews, Arabs, or any other nationality. How would it have gone over if the equivalent of any of these were said about them?









D. Imagine a black, Latino, Asian, Jew or Arab wanting to return to his homeland - to see the heritage of his ancestors, to meet the people descended from their common origins, to see the land from which his family came. Now imagine a Native American wanting to do the same. He can't, because you're standing on it.

E. Imagine if you were a Native American. Imagine growing up on a reservation, where your people were herded centuries ago, and living your whole life in probably the most rampant poverty in the nation. Imagine hearing your grandparents tell of when the schoolteachers would beat them with sticks if they displayed their cultural heritage at all, and seeing the faces of the leaders of the people who victimized you for years blasted into the rock wall of your holy land, to great acclaim. Imagine growing up seeing your people depicted in the movies by Italians and Spaniards, and reading all about European heroes and explorers in history class, but hearing names like Massasoit, Chief Joseph, Opchanacanough, Black Elk, Sequoyah, and Mankiller only at home. Imagine living with this every day of your life, watching the grand history of all of your people vanish by inches from the only place on Earth where it exists, and see anyone who stands up to fight for it dismissed as a drunk, an idiot, or a drunken idiot. Now imagine that one of the few sacred cultural symbols you have left is glamorized and propped on the head of a white runway model in a fashion show.

Sure, there are Natives with a giant chip on their shoulder against white people. There are a lot of them. There are also a lot of white people with giant chips on their shoulders against Natives (some of them in this very thread). Who do you think is more justified in having that chip? And regardless, is it fair to color an entire race of people based only on the ones you stumble across in a Flagstaff 7-11?

Last thing, I promise: In rereading what I just wrote, it occurs to me that this post, while true, is also a preachy, depressing, pompous bloviation on my part. Sorry about that. By way of atonement, I offer you this YouTube about Joe Medicine Crow, a war hero and inspiration, in an effort to temper this atrocity of a post. Enjoy.

You obviously put a lot of thought and effort into this post. I feel kinda' bad for not reading it.

The Franchise 11-13-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 9110806)
Here's how you can tell if Native Americans have it worse than any other ethnic group.

A. Check out Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001..._7_xlarge.jpeg

Now imagine it as black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Arabic, or any other nationality in the world. How do you think members of that nationality would react?

B. Consider the name "Redskins". As above, apply it to any other, using an equivalent term. How long would it take before the corporate headquarters was stormed?

C. Imagine if this thread was about blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews, Arabs, or any other nationality. How would it have gone over if the equivalent of any of these were said about them?









D. Imagine a black, Latino, Asian, Jew or Arab wanting to return to his homeland - to see the heritage of his ancestors, to meet the people descended from their common origins, to see the land from which his family came. Now imagine a Native American wanting to do the same. He can't, because you're standing on it.

E. Imagine if you were a Native American. Imagine growing up on a reservation, where your people were herded centuries ago, and living your whole life in probably the most rampant poverty in the nation. Imagine hearing your grandparents tell of when the schoolteachers would beat them with sticks if they displayed their cultural heritage at all, and seeing the faces of the leaders of the people who victimized you for years blasted into the rock wall of your holy land, to great acclaim. Imagine growing up seeing your people depicted in the movies by Italians and Spaniards, and reading all about European heroes and explorers in history class, but hearing names like Massasoit, Chief Joseph, Opchanacanough, Black Elk, Sequoyah, and Mankiller only at home. Imagine living with this every day of your life, watching the grand history of all of your people vanish by inches from the only place on Earth where it exists, and see anyone who stands up to fight for it dismissed as a drunk, an idiot, or a drunken idiot. Now imagine that one of the few sacred cultural symbols you have left is glamorized and propped on the head of a white runway model in a fashion show.

Sure, there are Natives with a giant chip on their shoulder against white people. There are a lot of them. There are also a lot of white people with giant chips on their shoulders against Natives (some of them in this very thread). Who do you think is more justified in having that chip? And regardless, is it fair to color an entire race of people based only on the ones you stumble across in a Flagstaff 7-11?

Last thing, I promise: In rereading what I just wrote, it occurs to me that this post, while true, is also a preachy, depressing, pompous bloviation on my part. Sorry about that. By way of atonement, I offer you this YouTube about Joe Medicine Crow, a war hero and inspiration, in an effort to temper this atrocity of a post. Enjoy.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/O_9-arto8D8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And now think about all of the crimes that have been committed by Native Americans.....who in turn run back to the Reservation where the police have no authority.

durtyrute 11-13-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9116060)
And now think about all of the crimes that have been committed by Native Americans.....who in turn run back to the Reservation where the police have no authority.

You're right, that fixes everything.

vailpass 11-13-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 9116065)
You're right, that fixes everything.

Yes it does. Well, that and casinos.

MTG#10 11-13-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector (Post 9116028)
I have a very strong native American heritage and I would be outraged if I weren't getting so damn drunk again.

ROFL

MagicHef 11-13-2012 04:13 PM

This seems like as good a place as any to leave this:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864...g-america.html

Aries Walker 11-13-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9116060)
And now think about all of the crimes that have been committed by Native Americans.....who in turn run back to the Reservation where the police have no authority.

That is the dumbest retort in the history of dumb retorts. Besides the fact that it ignores the crimes committed against Natives - whose police force has no jurisdiction on non-tribal lands - it also conveniently ignores the fact that federal forces have total jurisdiction on tribal lands, and can and do arrest criminals while on them.

The "hiding on tribal lands" concept is no better for any fleeing criminal than crossing a state line.

Psyko Tek 11-13-2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109528)
The Irish object to the hypersexualization of Irish women.

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/637209.jpg

erin go bra-less

ClevelandBronco 11-13-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 9110806)
Here's how you can tell if Native Americans have it worse than any other ethnic group.

A. Check out Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001..._7_xlarge.jpeg

Great logo. Shut the **** up.

ClevelandBronco 11-13-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9116056)
You obviously put a lot of thought and effort into this post. I feel kinda' bad for not reading it.

Was there more than the part I just quoted? I hadn't noticed.

Come to think of it, I didn't read all of that part either.

RJ 11-13-2012 09:43 PM

I am offended by the people who are offended by people who are offended.

ClevelandBronco 11-13-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 9117089)
I am offended by the people who are offended by people who are offended.

I'm ****ing lost.

Rausch 11-13-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 9115999)
My grandma (mom's mother) was pure Blackfoot. So Im 1/4 there plus there is a lot of Cherokee on my dad's side. If I want to trash talk my own people I will. That's what those ****ers get for tearing up our railroads.

Love a good sense of humor.


As far as I know there isn't a single German mascot or icon. When you look at just how many krauts there are in this country that's crazy.

I mean "The Fighting Irish?" Really? The Germans helped launch 2 world wars for ****'s sake.

Time to hit the interwebnets...I want a good racist German mascot...


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