Pro Football Reference's simple rating system and the 2012 Chiefs
 

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The SRS on PFR is a great tool to compare teams historically beyond W-L record. A definition:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=538

Let's take a look at some SRS for good Chiefs teams.

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1968 +14.0
1969 +11.9

1997 +8.4
2003 +8.3


Let's take a look at some SRS for bad Chiefs teams.


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2008 -9.2
1988 -5.7
1977 -4.9


Let's take a look at some SRS for bad teams throughout NFL history.

This is the SRS rating for the worst teams these franchises have fielded. Any franchise that did not hit close to -15 or worse was excluded.

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2000 Cardinals -15.2
1966 Falcons -15.5
2000 Browns -14.6
1960 Cowboys -14.8
2009 Lions -14.4
1950 Packers -18.2
1991 Colts -17.3
2012 Jaguars -15.5
1972 Patriots -17.4
1966 Giants -16.8
1965 Steelers -18.3
1976 Seahawks -15.1
2009 Rams -17.4
1976 Oilers -16.8


You may have noticed I left out all of Scott Pioli's Chiefs teams.

Let's take a look at those juggernauts!

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2009 -8.4
2010 -0.7
2011 -8.1


Ouch. Even when Pioli fielded a winning team, it had a negative rating. Overrated team? Yes.


We're about to get to the 2012 Chiefs. Hang tight.


Are you ready for this, Scott?

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YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE THIS, PIOLI.

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GET READY TO BURN, YOU FRAUD!!!!

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The Three Worst Teams In NFL History.


T-1. 1976 Bucs -19.7

T-1. 1954 Redskins -19.7

2. 2012 Kansas City Chiefs -18.4


Hang tight, boys. Eight games left. We can still field...

The Worst Team In NFL History.

Jesus Christ.

wow http://www.regretsy.com/wp-content/u...NFUSED-GIF.gif

ouch

ALSO...

The worst offense in Chiefs history? 2011.

2nd worst?

2012.

Worst defense in Chiefs history?

2012.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/

Just go there and sort by the column at the far right. SRS, OSRS and DSRS.

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IT'S ONLY THE PRESEASON. JFC these games don't matter!

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This is absolutely ****ing awesome.

**** it. Let's just print everything. This, the Cassel doc, the Pioli doc, the Hamas letter and just mail that ****er to Clark. Email too.

I'm sure he already knows most of this (I would hope) but lol, getting a ****ing giant envelope just filled with statistics exposing Pioli all at one time and in one sitting would be fantastic IMO. Clark also seems like the kinda guy who would actually sit down and read every single bit.

I think it's time to step up the game.

Here's the bottom line for me:

It's not just that they're losing. It's not JUST that they're HISTORICALLY inept.

It's that they're also "my shit don't stink" assholes that treat the fans like sheep and their Patriot Way buddies like kings.

I love football and I love the Kansas City Chiefs. But I'm at the point where I WISH to all that is Holy that I could quit. I would love nothing more at this point than to not care about this team anymore and move on.

More evidence.Great.

I didn't need to see all of those numbers, as I posted last week this was the worst team I have ever seen take the field for the Chiefs in 43 years of fandom.

Watching them has now become more of a curiosity, similar to gawking at a 11 car pile up in the opposing lanes of traffic.

You slow down to look, then you move on, thanking God it wasn't you.

My rival fan friends feel sorry for me, and show pity.

That is just ****ing unbelievable

That's ... well ... amazing.

If I were in charge of SOC, I'd email that document to every media outlet on the planet.

Great research effort, Mr. GoChiefs.

FAX

Not worried. Romeo's got this. That "Play Good Football" sign will turn it around

Cassel just bought a Papa John's Franchise

Did you take into account there are less paper wrappers around Arrowhead?

That is EXACTLY what they hope will happen to most of us.


Think about it: AFC WEST


Oakland : West Coast
San Diego : West Coast
Denver : West
L.A. : West Coast

/removes tinfoilhat

That's the ONLY way he'll be mentioned in the same sentence with Peyton Manning...

The thing I like about that sign is that it's so inspiring. It really makes you stop and think, and then you say to yourself, "Hey, that sign is right. I really should play good football."

Odd...

I don't think I've ever cared more about the team.

I don't think I've ever been as passionate about the team.

I know that change, massive change, change for the better is coming. Coming on like an unyielding torrent of freedom and liberty.

This is our French Revolution. This is our knocking down of the Berlin Wall. This is our watching George W Bush and Dick Cheney walk out of the White House knowing that they could never return.

Change is coming. A new era of the Chiefs begins soon.

A new, first round QB. The first in 30 years.

A new, competent GM.

A new, competent coaching staff.

The sins of the past are about to be washed away my friends.

This is the beginning of the new glory years for the Chiefs, and we can say that we were there when it all began!

Viva la Revolution! Viva la Chiefs!

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http://www.mce.k12tn.net/revolutionary_war/spirit.jpg

'54 Skins were a bunch of pussies

Look at Saccopoop, finding the silver lining. Lots of truth to his post.

For me, this year has turned into pure fascination. I'm enthralled to watch at this point. I've never seen such shitty pro football played in my entire life (or at least from when I started really paying attention, circa 1990), especially from a Chiefs team. Gunther had a decent team and a kinda bad team. Herm had bad teams. What we are watching now just totally sets a new bar for the term "awful".

Pure fascination. Let's see how far down this sinkhole drops.

If I understand this rating system correctly, we take our average margin of victory/loss and add it to our opponents average margin. Thus, it means that we are -X points below the average for ourselves. Added to that, our opponents are (most likely) in the negative as well?

Jesus Christ, this is bad.

Need ownership that cares.

JFC

I attribute this to the Rodney Hudson injury. He'll be fine next year and we'll be back.

Just looked it up. Our margin of loss is -13.4 points per game. Our opponents is -4.7. Looking ahead, our opponents have an average of -5.7 left (obviously, that will change somewhat). However, if things remain consistent, to stay in 2nd place, we just need to keep our own point differential average at -12.7 (a little bit higher than what we're currently at).

If we want to overtake 1st place, we need to make the point differential average -14.1.

This is definitely doable.

Edit: Sorry, my math was off. We need to average -14.1, not -13.67...I think. I'm not that good at this.

Edit Edit: Dammit, this is wrong too. Basically, we need to average (over 16 game) -14.6 points to break the record. We're at -13.4 now. Need to increase our losing margin by 1.2 points per game.

If you're going to be bad, you might as well go for the record. It gives you a place in history. No one remembers the team that came in second-to-worst.

Just wow.

If Clark Hunt keeps Pioli...It is further proof that he does not care whatsoever.

And I'll be done with this team.

I tweeted this thread out to a bunch of the local media so they can see it...

The Program ‏@theprogramkc
Wow...interesting stuff. RT @BrentBertrand: Chiefs fans: READ THE ORIGINAL POST ON THIS THREAD. @theprogramkc

Hopefully he'll talk about it...

Good work Clay.

GoChiefs is just destroying this front office. I've never seen anything like it. He's exposing these frauds and some of our fans get pissed at him for it? ****ing reeruns. Well done, sir.

If only we lost to the saints so we can be in the Loins den & go 0~16. Then I think we would get more notoriety on the national level.

That's the crazy thing. We can end up leaps and bounds worse than a team that went 0-fer in a season.

No doubt.

He's gone full Goatse on the front office over the last month or so.

Even though he was a full-fledged Pioli-smoker and is actually fairly late to this party, I have to give him a great deal of credit for picking up the baton and running wi....no, that's not right. I give him credit for picking up the baton and jamming it right up Pioli's posterior.

Well done, Clay.

The truly mindboggling thing is this team has a lot of talent.

Winston, Albert, Lilja, Asomoah, Bowe, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, hell even Droghn is talented, and McCluster, if they'd use him isn't terrible.

on the other side, Tamba, Houston, Powe, Flowers DJ, Berry.

All good players. AND they find a way to be the third worst team in the history of the mother****ing league. WHAT THE ****.

Sweet merciful Jesus...

ROFLLMAOROFLLMAOROFL

PIOLI!LMAOLMAOLMAO

No, it doesn't. Alot of those guys are crap. Pure ****ing crap. I wanted them to be good but, It's time to start being honest.

It's not all on Cassel, Pioli, and Crennel.

We know, Scott. It's not all your fault.

It's Bowe's fault. And DJ's.

LMAO

You're the biggest goddamned reerun on this board.

With all of the positive research that Clay has been doing lately... how in the **** is he still in the negative red rep?

It would be great if this became his new niche on this board.

Holy Schniekies!

His rep is permabanned.

I have lurked for far longer than I am willing to admit, but lets just say GC has a big hole to crawl out of. :). That said, Clay is kicking ass right now. Keep hope alive, brother.

^^This.

This defense can't be worse than the Grob 32 defense.

I dunno man, they got some stops, just couldn't buy one when we needed it.

This one gave up 50 points to the ****ing Bills. Got crushed by a 2 win Faid team. Just terrible.

Yeah, I gotta give it to GoChiefs. He's done some good work this year.

You've got to be kidding me, dude.

I've been doing this since late 2010.

"Frauds."

I do apologize for lauding the 2011 draft, though.

I wouldn't. Everyone did.

Sad stat!:(

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Yes it can.

Because Robinson's defense played good teams.

Also, GROB:

2001 - 21.5 PPG allowed
2002 - 24.9 PPG allowed
2003 - 20.8 PPG allowed

2012 - 30.0 PPG allowed

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

It's like a bad dream that never ends.

This defense is giving up 6.3 yards per play.

The 2004 Chiefs gave up 6.3 yards per play, but 3 fewer points per game.

Robinson's defenses never gave up more than 5.8 yards per play.

And this was with an elite offense force the opposition to try to score more.

This information is now published in a Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/pub...Zvgcq2jetmkLkw

That is so awesome. You sir, are Awesome-O.

Robinson's defenses were pretty bad, but this year is another level. At the very least, Robinson's defenses would force an insane amount of turnovers (a byproduct of having an awesome offense, no doubt).

In 2003, we had 25 interceptions and 14 forced fumbles. We gave up a lot of yards, but we turned the ball over a lot.

This turd of a team is on pace for 12 interceptions and 10 forced fumbles; worse than Cunningham's 04 team (which was the worst defensive team I've seen from the Chiefs, until now).

That's where I'm at. It just pisses me off to no end.
I also I have to deal with the fact that I thought this team was going to be good, was excited for this season, and expressed that to the Giants/Patriots and Phins fans around me.
I look like/(am) a total ass, and no one knows shit about what's going on with this team outside of Chiefs fans. All they know is that we are indeed one of the worst performing teams in history.
All BS aside. This team IS bad, but is not THIS bad. These players have packed it in, and they did it a long time ago.
Pioli is to blame obviously. I hate him with the fire of 1000 suns at this point, but I'm pissed that it took this shit for me to see the overall level of his fail.

It's OK, bro.

We all were homer for this regime at some point.

Maybe next time do a little research.

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It's the NFL - every team has at least a little talent.

When you're scraping all the way down to the Lilja's, Breaston's, Asomoah's, and Draughn's of the world, you're really stretching the term.

There are maybe 10 guys on this roster that couldn't be replaced easily every FA period. Bowe, Charles, Albert, Winston, Houston, DJ, Hali, Flowers, Berry, Colquitt. Really, that's about it.

The 'this team has talent' mantra is a myth. This team has a few good players and a bunch of exceptionally replaceable spare parts. If it were well coached, it could be a .500 football team.

Really, apart from the guys that Pioli inherited, Scott Pioli's Chiefs are 22 guys off the street. It's a whole slew of JAGs supplemented by players that Pioli was fortunate enough to get from the prior regime.

Part of me wants him around in 5 years when the guys he got from Herm are done. Then we can see the true depths of his suck.

Kill em all!

Wow...just wow

Asamoah and Hudson are going to be pretty good players IMO.

Maybe Berry if he recovers.

The rest are trash burning in a dumpster fire, apart from perhaps Poe if he develops.

You're probably right. It is just goddamn frustrating because this team isn't this bad.

Clay, could you please put all the Pioli and Chiefs fail information/evidence into one pdf or .doc file so that I can print it all out, place it in a large envelope, and mail it to 1 arrowhead drive?

If anybody else would like to join me in doing this, perhaps we can coordinate a date to mail it by? I am also open to any ideas on a fitting stamp to place on the envelope... do they still sale reprints of the inverted Jenny? I feel that is a rather apt stamp to use on this organization.

Trust me.

They know.

When did Flowers become trash?

Fair statement, this team isn't this bad.

But it certainly isn't good. Getting 10 wins out of them while facing a legitimate NFL schedule would've been a heroic effort.

If I had ST renewal forms I would stick them in my printer and print Pioli fail facts all across their pages, then mail them back... probably with a big dick drawn on them too.

LMAO

I know they know, but do they know we know?

I'm thinking of staying in KC a few nights and going all Shepard Fairey and stenciling a bunch of red and yellow Pioli faces everywhere that read, "FAIL" across the bottom.

yes it is, when you have depth and foundation pieces and your GM has a massive ego to let guys go for nothing just so he can pick and choose his own positions as many times as he wants eventually means a team will hit rock bottom

the team is losing talent the last 4 years. more talent is walking out the door than there is coming in.

Letting Wade Smith walk so Pioli can draft 45 offensive lineman and waste picks so he can play safe and keep drafting guards every draft

or him drafting 45 TEs until he hits on one or 25 CBs because he lets guys like Carr walk out the door doesnt make the team better. These are downgrades.'

he had a nickel CB he could have groomed in 09
he had a guard he could have kept a 4 year starter
he had a LBer he could have used as a pass rusher
he had the best kicker in the NFL
he had one of the best young CB duos and was a safety upgrade away from one of the best young secondaries

Pioli HAD a lot of things where all he had to do was sit his fat ass in a chair and fart and not **** up. But his massive ego having to constantly add/drop players so he can get a bunch of young yes man guys in the draft, doesnt mean theres any actual NFL talent left on the team

Given the expectations by many coming into this season with our key players returning, I have to say so far this is the worst team I've ever seen given what was expected.

and it's not even close.

This team is giving up 30.0 per game because the offense is giving the other team short field so many times. The defense also knows that once they give up 20 the game is over. The 2002 team actually outscored the opposition despite giving up 399 points. The offense in 2002 gave up the ball only 15 times while we've given it up 29 times in half a season. The Chiefs were outgained that year despite having 6000 yards of offense.

To top it off, the 2004 Chiefs may have even been worse.

Sorry, but giving up 6.3 yards per play is abysmal, turnovers or not.

Remember when the D let the Bucs go right down the field to start the second half of that game?

Remember when they got crushed by the Raiders when we got within striking distance?

Last week against San Diego, it's 10-6, and the defense lays down and it's 17-6.

This is a god damn terrible defense. The only team allowing more yards per play this year is the Saints.

That is the worst part. No one hates us anymore because they are too busy feeling sorry for us. Raider fans don't even make the effort anymore except for the occasional troll.