two historically smart franchises drafted them, and they were both clearly risky moves...most of the other franchises didn't and wouldn't have drafted them anywhere near where they were taken


it's a lesson we learn and forget...learn and forget

we're done with you...you can go home

the question you asked was answered, definitively

you're wrong

again

Sources say: Geno never had a phone, his agent was taking all the calls.

I think this is all bullshit.

When will the Geno stuff die?

See the first page.

night all


i always sleep well after clowning marcellus

You keep proving my point dude. Read your post above about all these past drafts. Now read what I posted you responded to. (Pay close attention to the bolded parts, its like getting the answer to a test)

If you dont get it, its not my fault. I also have to wonder how you tie your shoes.

You broads STILL think we should've taken Geno 1.1 with all of QB needy teams that passed on his ass after we did?

****ing reeruned...

It's somewhat funny that we've decided there are no franchise QB's in this draft, 2 weeks after teh draft.

So you have never slept well? That must suck ass.

No its common sense. Look at 2009. You see one from that draft?

All other positions need 3 years.

But there are NO QBS AT ALL AND WE KNOW THAT NOW.

Josh Freeman is going to be a good player in this league for awhile now. He's on an upswing. Unless you hate QBs who throw for 27 TDs and 4000 yards.

Past history tells us that right Clay? How many 2nd round QB's become franchise? You know the stat right?

the only reason chiefs fans think there were a franchise qb in this draft, is because the chiefs had the first pick. There werent, and arent any in this draft. Sad to say, but when you have four in one draft, you pay the piper the next year.

Common sense? No, it's surely not. At all. It's pretty stupid actually.


We have no idea what this class will become. You yourself are arguing that the past has no indicator on this draft etc because things are different in each situation.

My sources think otherwise

He was absolutely awful the second half of the season last year. Thats why he is in his final year of his contract, and they just drafted a developemental qb. He has no excuses, they spent all the money last year on the oline, on the receivers, on the tight ends. And yet, he sucked, HORRIBLY down the stretch.

This is a good point. Geno's probability for failure increased exponentially when foot fetish drafted him.

post the first 5 years of alex smith's stats please


because he is an embarrassment of a QB

I agree. I believe that had he gone to a buffalo, or even here to kansas city, that his bust rate is almost nil. And im not Trolling. Im being dead serious. The jets are an awful roster right now.....They have awful coaching, and even worse leadership.

Shrugs. I wont try to argue with you on it. You are completely right. Every single issue with the 49ers including 2004, when the 49ers went 2-14, was because of alex smith. You are spot on. IN this league, you never have to have talent around you, an ownership committed to winning, a competent coaching staff. You just need a competent qb. You also never have to worry about drafting a guy because you dont think you can sign the other guy.

If you cant figure everything out that I just said in that last paragraph, then you really need to do some research.

It's so funny that the posters who make fun of the people supposably "rationalizing" Alex Smith are the posters rationalizing Geno Smith.

This was a weak QB draft. Every team passed on the messiah and there is damning evidence against this guy.

He's not near the person or prospect the other QB's were and there seems to be more evidence proving this every day.

Alex Smith was the best QB we could have acquired this offseason and that's a fact.

You = stupid

I don't think I've ever read something you posted and was like "damn, that's a well put together thought"

Ever
You don't know that. His agent told him not to participate in the senior bowl...Geno has mentioned this multiple times in the media. It's probable that he has gotten feedback that teams didn't like that.

Shit, Clark Hunts comment at the time was "tell Geno we missed him at the senior bowl"

It's hard to tell why he fired his agent.

It's definitely possible that some of us at CP have been overvaluing him as a prospect due to factors that aren't available to us all such as interviews and
workouts....but even with that risk, his upside is more than that of a really good right tackle...but I digress.
it has little to do with Geno Smith.

oh...believe me. I understand your point.

It's just that I think it's asinine.

I like how that's a "fact."

You telling me that not one of the QBs drafted will be as below adequate as Alex Smith?

And still embarrassed Alex Smith's TD and yardage numbers!

Probably not. Especially next year.

not this year.....And that to the chiefs is all that matters........

so you're not going to post them?

because if you name yourself after the 3,456th best QB in nfl history, you probably have no business trashing a QB that put up better stats, and played more games, over the same stage of his career than the 3,456th best QB you love

and making excuses for an injury prone first round bust, whose most recent accomplishment was being benched, is marcellus level IQ

Who cares about 1 year?

Chiefs gonna win the SB this year or something?

lol, He sure did. On a losing team, that was always trailing rarely leading, and didnt have near the defense, nor running game that the 49ers have.

GREAT COMPARISON CLAY, JUST OUTSTANDING.

If 31 teams passed on him (some more than once) largely because he wasn't chatty enough during visits, that's pretty stupid. Article sounds like someone is blowing something out of proportion.

You know what Josh Freeman becomes on the 49ers?

He comes Colin Kaepernick.

Get ****ed, homer.

the 49ers, by the way, drafted a first round bust in Alex Smith, and it didn't destroy their franchise forever....they just drafted another QB and went to the super bowl


in case you need yet more proof that Chiefs are always doing it wrong

I dont have to post anything. Obviously, between the fact that Alex Smith isnt that talented, mixed with the LEADERSHIP, the owner, the coaching staff, the talent around Alex Smith, he wasnt going to succeed regardless. Its like the argument that 49er fans have amongst themselves, about what if it had been Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith. There is no point discussing it.

Alex Smith, is not a great qb today. But, he is 1000x the qb today, than he was his first 5 years in the league. Care to debate that fact? Who cares what my name is. I respect the guy, for his character as much, if not more so than anything he has done on the field. So, give it up already. Just because my name is alex smith fan, doesnt mean i think the guy is a top 15 qb, hes not, nor do i think that he is perfect. Hes not. Soooooo, with closing on that. Last season, Josh Freeman had more talent around him, than Alex Smith ever had on offense in his entire career. Also played in a crap division with no top defenses. The NFC WEST, HAD 4 TOP 12 DEFENSES. The Nfc SOUTH. ZERO......

How am I a homer? And how does that work exactly? Considering that the receiving corps that the Buccs had last season, was BETTER than the 49ers. And yet, and still they were ass. Freeman was ass down the stretch. HIM.. Yes, he was ass. You mad bro?

Im not the stupid one comparing stats between a team that runs the ball 54 percent of the time, EVEN WITH COLIN KAEPERNICK, and one that runs it about 44 percent. Its called relativity Clay. You may impress a lot of these guys on here because you are willing to do research that supports your point of view, and thats all fine and dandy. I just spit on those stats, put them in perspective, and you get pissed.

that a lot of words to not dispute what I wrote

Alex Smith is a nobody...so you can pretty much just stop running down better QBs....it's dishonest, and stupid

imagine 'Elvis Grbac Fan' making an ass out of himself on a Raven's board back in the day....LMAO

Colin Kaepernick. Drafted in 2011. Alex Smith drafted in 2005. It took them 8 years to correct the mistakes by JOHN YORK, the cheap dirtbag.

8 whole years?

do you know anything about the Chiefs?

do you know....anything?

What would you like me to dispute? That Alex Smith was not a shitty qb with terrible coaching, bad ownership and terrible talent around him?

How am i supposed to dispute that?

Glenn Dorsey or Joe Flacco?
Tyson Jackson or Josh Freeman?
Jon Baldwin or Colin Kaepernick?
Dontari Poe or Ryan Tannehill/Russel Wilson? (6 pick was for sale at a discount)
Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?

Tell me which are your picks.

It's almost always the best decision to take the qb....the term "reach" is silly to use when talking quarterbacks.

there is no risk in drafting QBs...the risk is in not drafting QBs

and "Chiefs" is the one word proof

and our fanbase is the dumbest

you know whats hilarious. Is when douchbags like you cant read. Read my ****ing sig reerun. I listen to you ****ing chiefs fans cry all the time. I sat on my grandpas lap as John Elway crushed his browns hearts.

The browns have NEVER PLAYED IN A SUPER BOWL. we had our team stolen from us, we are the second worst team since 1999 in winning percentage, and the only team worse, went 0-16. I couldnt give a shit less about the CHIEFS problems. Booo ****ing hoooooo

then why the **** are you here trying to tell us...um, what, exactly?

how does one grow up to love shitty QBs?

does loving shitty QBs go way back in your family?

I did some pre mob action out of El Paso. Nice city......

I didnt try to tell you anything. Nothing actually. All i said was that Josh Freeman had a really shitty second half. Not sure where you got off on this Alex Smith tangent to be honest. Like i was defending the guy, or stating he was a franchise savior.

GoChiefs read this please

Were you pounding the table for Flacco during his draft (2008)?

this and fyp

This is why my perfect scenario was Geno sitting a year behind Hasselbeck. Give a chance to see how a pro's pro does it.

How do you balance the physical skills vs the personality? Will hr be Leaf? George? Cutler?

We already know what you get with a boyscout that can't play. Matt Cassel.

I don't think I'll actively root for or against Geno, but it probably will be interesting to watch it unfold.

Because "sources" give out 100% factual information.

Yeah and Tampa is so psyched about him that they went and drafted Mike Glennon early because they don't trust Freeman enough to invest beaucoup bucks in him. Freeman is a stat-stuffer, not a winner, he's the guy who goes off for big passing numbers after his team is down big. His first year he looked like he was on the cusp of greatness, since then he's just been treading water.

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

Marrone had to control himself I am sure he could have blown a gasket watching that.
Syracuse hired Marrone when the chiefs hired haley and I told my wife my fav college team may have hired the better coach. Marrone would make haley cry and pee his pants.
Marrone out coached every coach Geno ever had that's why he was 0-3 vs SU.
Buffalo is Buffalo but Marrone is a good coach.

Hi.

Read this.

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His demeanor in some big games would seem to support this kind of behavior. Who really knows though? My fear would be that things don't go his way and he melts down sort of like Cam Newton. You can have all the physical skills but not be able to bring it together because of the mental part of the game.

Wanna know why the QB's in this draft all fell? Blame it on Luck and RGIII.

Those two guys alone in the last draft caused the expectations to become outrageous and the microscope on these QB's to become double or triple with comparisons in this draft. If Barkley had come out last year he would have been a top 15 pick. He had an off year and the microscopes got more powerful, so he fell and fell. Did he get that much worse??? No.

Discount it if you want, but this year was just a bad year to be Geno Smith and a bad year to for the Chiefs to have the #1 pick.

We were by far the most QB needy team until the abortion of trading #34 + more for Average Smith. Next would be the Raiders, but they traded for Flynn. Next would be Arizona who traded for Palmer. That leaves Buffalo and we won't even go there with Manuel going in the first while Geno and even Barkley did not. Buffalo and Buddy Nix are hardly a role model team.

Geno's biggest mistake was assuming this franchise even had one thought of drafting a QB in the first. It simply doesn't happen anymore. Todd Blackledge screwed us all to a life of mediocre retreads. I think it's in the Chiefs Head Coach official handbook. We'll call it the Hunt Rule.

LMAO Goddamnit I love it when TC just ****ing nails it right off the bat.
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I wanted him and thought he would go top 10 I was way off. If his knock is just between his ears it's possible that can be corrected.Even his critics would have to admit he has the physical tools to thrive. You can't fix physical limitations but there is at least a chance you could fix a maturity issue. So who would be harder to "fix" Geno or Bray? And what's the upside of the 2 if both were fixed so to speak?

Wait what? Are you saying that a coach and GM who have played and worked in the game almost their entire lives, have had a track record of success, and are highly respected in the league know more about football than a couple of bitter losers on the Internet? How could that be?

Its so funny that you and others are rationalizing a known bag o' dicks vs. A kid who has yet to even take a snap in the NFL, yes.
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The ravens > BossChief

Does that need written in crayon?

no, whats funny is that you think your opinion of alex smith, is the opinion of everyone in the league, and that your opinion of geno smith, is also the opinion of everyone in the league.

Isnt it just a little bit ironic that in nfl circles, that just happens to be the exact opposite of reality?

Nah? Didnt think so.

Please go be a fan of any of the other 31 teams available...... Thx.

We didn't draft him.

Rodgers was a Tedford guy.
Roethlisberger was a MAC QB.
Flacco was an FCS prospect.


That's four SBs just in recent years for you

A guy who lost his job to...wait for it....Tyler Palko.

In 2008 I wanted atl to take dorsey. I saw herm talking to Ryan on tv and thought maybe this was it. So close.

"Manning Fan". "brady fan". Those are homer names that have merit. Yours? ROFL. Yeah, I'm the idiot alright.
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nice. I was getting ready to post that.....well played.

I think the point here is that QB is a position where you want the guy to eat, breathe, sleep, and shit football. That's the way Manning and Brady are.

So Geno gets the opportunity to interact with the best football minds he's ever been around. Nope, not interested. Need to text my friends back home.

Any way you spin it, if that is a true account, it's a clear negative. And isn't the same as wearing a tee shirt, or having a tattoo, or listening to rap.

Does this mean he is going to be a bust? No, but he'll probably need to eat some humble pie and change his attitude to be successful. That's probably a bigger change that fixing your footwork.

well, kind of, because you werent talking to me.

You were talking to ALEXSMITHDYNASTY. Different guy....

Who decided today?

There''s a spectrum, some convinced long ago, some suspecting for a while, some still unconvinced and a thousand gradiations in between. No matter how certain anyone FEELS know one knows at this point as the evidence is yet to come.

The article is more about coachability than character IMO. If he's not as good as he thinks he is and won't listen to the guys who are supposed to get him there, that's a pretty bad sign.

There is NO QUESTION that if these reports are true they are a significant red flag.

The guy has a lot of work to do and if he is unable to put in quality work at areas of need, he is unlikely to ever be worth a high draft pick...but to act as if these reports are absolute fact and that they prove that Geno will be a bust is being disingenuous and that's where this discussion turned into an argument.

It's possible that his unwillingness to focus on crucial points is a reason he faltered against good defenses last year.

It's also possible this is all BS info distributed by the agent he just fired...which is more likely givent the timing of the report in relation to the firing.

I'm including myself in the guilty because I thought that an FCS QB who couldn't beat out Tyler Palko would be a shit QB, but these are the posts from the 2008 draft thread as Flacco was drafted.

That's a useless response. Every GM ever > BossChief, after all.

You griped about 6 drafts. The only draft in that group where a QB taken after the Chiefs picked went on to win a SB (to date) is that Flacco draft. So, unless you were pounding the table for Flacco, you don't really have any point.

You're responding to the wrong person, I called you a bitter loser.

I listen to Colin Cowherd almost daily and he knows people that have coached Cam in Carolina and claim they have to use a limited playbook with Cam because of his attitude and willingness to put in the work and that a lot of his teammates don't like him because of it.

He also says that was a problem in college.

Nope. Chief Fan knew more than any GM or NFL front office.