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kccrow 04-28-2018 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13536701)
You swung and missed. But at least you'll still get your man.

I'm a bit flummoxed. The draft has gone very differently than I expected, so my scenario building has all been destroyed. I was pretty sure that I would trade down at the discounted level, but now I'm not sure. I might stand pat. I'll probably put up my draft in the next couple of days.

I'll take Josh Jackson at 43, that's guaranteed. If I would have stood pat though, I would have been thrilled getting Oliver. Plus, I could have grabbed a handful of guys I really liked with that 78th pick... Ugh.

kccrow 04-28-2018 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13536918)
I donít think Iíll be taking any of the players that the Chiefs picked so far.

Only one I might take is their 6th rounder, Tremon Smith. The rest are a definite no.

The Franchise 04-28-2018 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13537498)
Only one I might take is their 6th rounder, Tremon Smith. The rest are a definite no.

Itís looking like heís the only one. I may see about trading down from 54 and grabbing Reid.

kccrow 04-28-2018 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13537569)
It’s looking like he’s the only one. I may see about trading down from 54 and grabbing Reid.

If you like someone alot at 54, you could trade 78 and both 4th's and get to 68 for Reid. That's what I'd do had it not been for me pulling the trade pre-draft. I'm really ****ing kicking myself for that.

kccrow 04-28-2018 11:12 PM

I think I'm going to put a bit less thought into it this year and take my kneejerk reaction picks, because had I done that last year I'd be better for it... So here we go...

2(43) Jessie Bates, FS, Wake Forest
Selected at 2(52) by Cincinnati
The Chiefs have obvious needs in the secondary and my opinion defers from Veach's greatly with regard to how early I think the Chiefs should have addressed it. I'm going with a playmaking free safety here to boost the secondary and fill the void left by Ron Parker's cut.

3(86) Tarvarius Moore, CB/FS, Southern Mississippi
Selected at 3(95) by San Francisco
Moore was a playmaker for Southern Miss and has all-over-the-field athleticism to make plays in the NFL and keep pace with anyone. This kid could push Jimmie Ward to slot only duties very early and be the starter. I love his range and it look like SF does too given they want to move him to CB.

3(95) Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Selected at 3(96) by Buffalo
My team is a bit weak in the trenches, only adding Carlos Watkins in the 4th last season. I'm going to go after a Kyle Williams clone in Phillips and solidify the position for years as Buffalo will do with him replacing Williams in their lineup.

4(122) Cole Madison, OT/G, Washington State
Selected at 5(138) by Green Bay
I've been really high on Cole Madison throughout this entire process and I'm sticking to my guns with him. I really need to work on upgrading my offensive line after more than a couple misses in recent drafts. Green Bay has a long-time habit of selecting college tackles and converting them to top-shelf guards and they'll do the same with Madison.

5(159) Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, EDGE, Oklahoma
Selected at 5(160) by Los Angeles
My team is definitely lacking depth at OLB and I see Okoronkwo as a guy that could develop there. He's got more than a passing shot to make the Rams roster and fight for playing time given the makeup of their linebacking corps.

6(196) Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
Selected at 6(198) by Kansas City
Because of the lack of depth at CB on my roster that compares with the actual Chiefs roster, I'm going to actually take one of their picks in Smith. He looks like a good slot corner type and could be the eventual replacement to Nelson there.

6(198) Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama
Selected at 6(215) by Baltimore
My team lacks depth on the offensive line and that's what Bozeman will likely be early on in Baltimore, but he has a legitmate chance to earn a starting gig there very early. Morse is injured alot so I need to at least take a chance at the position.

7(219) Zach Sieler, DE, Ferris State
Selected at 7(238) by Baltimore
I've been on Seiler for a while and love this kid's potential. He went to a team that has no issue taking Division II GLIAC players and I already have one of them on my roster. Let's hope they turn this physical freak into a freak on the field and give my defensive line a huge boost for cheap.

7(243) Holton Hill, CB, Texas
UDFA by Minnesota
Not much left in terms of value here so I'm going to take a shot on a backup QB that I know will be nothing but a backup in Cincinnati.

I'll put my preliminary roster together shortly...

Rain Man 04-29-2018 03:15 AM

Any idea why Okoronkwo dropped so far? He was a guy I was strongly considering in the 2nd or 3rd based on what I saw in the mock drafts. He seems like a bargain now unless I missed some news about him killing a girl scout or something.

kccrow 04-29-2018 12:44 PM

My opinion is 1) he has the athleticism of a guy 25 pounds heavier, 2) he doesn't bend and flatten that well for his size, and 3) his size and perceived ability to hold up against the run.

The thing for me is, he was productive and he's strong in both halves. He has great explosion in his lower body. I think he'll be okay, especially as a situational pass rusher. If all he becomes is a 4-5 sack guy as a 3rd down rusher and a quality special teams player, then that's a good 5th round pick.

Rain Man 04-29-2018 11:45 PM

As a rules note, you can accept or reject any Chiefs trade as long as you hold the trade capital that the Chiefs gave up. If we're talking about draft day trades of picks, you don't have to take any discounts if you accept a Chiefs trade of picks (trade ups in this case). You just have to be holding the picks that they gave up - no exceptions.

Rain Man 04-30-2018 08:29 AM

Okay, first I have to be sure of my picks and finalize any trades. I think I did this right, but correct me if I'm wrong.

My picks are:

Yes - Round 1, Pick 22 because I didn't trade for Patrick Mahomes II.
No - Round 2, pick 46. I will decline the tradeup to 2-46 that gave up 2-54 and 3-78 for this pick and 3-100. I didn't have pick 3-78.
Yes - Round 2, pick 54.
No - Round 3, pick 75. I will decline the tradeup for this pick by yielding picks 3-86 and 4-122, and will keep the original picks.
No - Round 3, pick 78. I don't have this pick because Alex Smith was not on my roster.
Yes - Round 3, pick 86
No - Round 3, pick 100. As noted above, I didn't make the trade to get this pick.
Yes - Round 4, pick 122
No - Round 4, pick 124. There's no freaking way that I'm trading away Marcus Peters, so the Rams can keep this pick.
Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 because I didn't trade for Cam Erving.
Yes - Round 6, pick 196.
No - Round 6, pick 198 because I'll decline trading 7-233 and 7-243 for this pick.
Yes - Round 6, pick 209 because there's no way I'm trading away Marcus Peters
No - Round 7, Pick 233 because Marcus Cooper wasn't on my roster to trade.
Yes - Round 7, pick 240 because I won't trade it for Kenneth Acker.
No - Round 7, Pick 243 because David King wasn't on my roster to trade.

So I think I have...

Yes - Round 1, Pick 22 because I didn't trade for Patrick Mahomes II.
Yes - Round 2, pick 54.
Yes - Round 3, pick 86
Yes - Round 4, pick 122
Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 because I didn't trade for Cam Erving.
Yes - Round 6, pick 196.
Yes - Round 6, pick 209 because there's no way I'm trading away Marcus Peters
Yes - Round 7, pick 240 because I won't trade it for Kenneth Acker.

That was a lot of brain damage to end up with more or less a pick in each round.

kccrow 04-30-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13539644)
Okay, first I have to be sure of my picks and finalize any trades. I think I did this right, but correct me if I'm wrong.

My picks are:

Yes - Round 1, Pick 22 because I didn't trade for Patrick Mahomes II.
No - Round 2, pick 46. I will decline the tradeup to 2-46 that gave up 2-54 and 3-78 for this pick and 3-100. I didn't have pick 3-78.
Yes - Round 2, pick 54.
No - Round 3, pick 75. I will decline the tradeup for this pick by yielding picks 3-86 and 4-122, and will keep the original picks.
No - Round 3, pick 78. I don't have this pick because Alex Smith was not on my roster.
Yes - Round 3, pick 86
No - Round 3, pick 100. As noted above, I didn't make the trade to get this pick.
Yes - Round 4, pick 122
No - Round 4, pick 124. There's no freaking way that I'm trading away Marcus Peters, so the Rams can keep this pick.
Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 because I didn't trade for Cam Erving.
Yes - Round 6, pick 196.
No - Round 6, pick 198 because I'll decline trading 7-233 and 7-243 for this pick.
Yes - Round 6, pick 209 because there's no way I'm trading away Marcus Peters
No - Round 7, Pick 233 because Marcus Cooper wasn't on my roster to trade.
Yes - Round 7, pick 240 because I won't trade it for Kenneth Acker.
No - Round 7, Pick 243 because David King wasn't on my roster to trade.

So I think I have...

Yes - Round 1, Pick 22 because I didn't trade for Patrick Mahomes II.
Yes - Round 2, pick 54.
Yes - Round 3, pick 86
Yes - Round 4, pick 122
Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 because I didn't trade for Cam Erving.
Yes - Round 6, pick 196.
Yes - Round 6, pick 209 because there's no way I'm trading away Marcus Peters
Yes - Round 7, pick 240 because I won't trade it for Kenneth Acker.

That was a lot of brain damage to end up with more or less a pick in each round.

ROFL
And yeah, from what I'm seeing you got it right

Rain Man 05-03-2018 08:46 PM

After significant struggle, I'm about to unveil my 2018 draft.

patteeu 05-03-2018 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13545465)
After significant struggle, I'm about to unveil my 2018 draft.

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The Franchise 05-04-2018 09:34 AM

So I ran through a draft without trading and then one with trading 78 and both of my 4th round picks to 68 so that I could take Justin Reid. I just can't pass up on the talent that I would get without trading. Here's my current draft.

Round 2, pick 54 - Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
Round 3, pick 78 - Tarvarius Moore, S, Southern Miss
Round 3, pick 86 - Isaac Yiadom, CB, Boston College
Round 4, pick 122 - Josh Sweat, DE/OLB, Florida State
Round 4, pick 124 - Cole Madison, T/G, Washington State
Round 6, pick 196 - Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame
Round 7, pick 240 - Trenton Thompson, DT/DE, Georgia

Rain Man 05-05-2018 03:19 AM

Okay, with great fanfare, I present my 2018 draft.

My #1 priority was to build a pass rush this year. Iíve had an anemic pass rush for several years now and canít seem to solve the problem. So I started with that mindset.

Overall, my top five needs are:
1. Pass rushing linebackers. I need at least two, and at least one as a starter.
2. Running back committee member of high quality.
3. At least one defensive ends for a transition to a 4-3 at some point. Pass rushers.
4. Starting guard(s). At least one.
5. A high quality wide receiver.

Pick 1-22 Ė Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State (Seahawks)

I drafted Alvin Kamara last year, along with Samaje Perine, to rebuild a non-existent rushing attack, but I need an effective workhorse back who can make plays, and I think Penny is that guy.

I considered Calvin Ridley very strongly, and he might be the safer bet, but in the end I like Penny a lot. I also considered Harold Landry, Will Hernandez, and even Christian Kirk or Connor Williams with a trade down, but the math on a trade down didnít work and I feel that Penny can add more overall, complementing Kamara.

Pick 2-54 Ė James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State (Steelers)

I really need a pass rusher and fully intended to draft one or two in the first couple of rounds, but I wasnít liking how the picks were shaking out. I really like what Iím reading about Washington, and I need a #1 receiver if Jeremy Maclin doesnít latch onto a team.

My big question on the 1st and 2nd round was whether to take Penny and Washington, or instead take Calvin Ridley and Derrius Guice at the same positions. Ridley and Guice seem to be lower risk, but I like the upside of Penny and Washington. Itís a risky move on my part, but Iím all about risk/reward bets.

I also considered Isaiah Oliver and Sam Hubbard with this pick, but not seriously. Washington was the guy I wanted. He kind of drove my strategy in the first two rounds.

Pick 3-86 Ė Trade down with the Dallas Cowboys.

The 3-86 pick is worth 160 points, or 104 points after the discount. With that 104 points I pick up the 4-116 pick (62 points), 4-137 pick (37 points), and 7-236 pick (1 point). My initial plan was to use this pick on Arden Key as a pass rusher, but heís not the type of player I like drafting. He seems unmotivated and I suspect heíll have a short career. So I considered G/T Alex Cappa and RB Mark Walton, but I really needed a pass rusher, so I did the trade down. See those picks for my strategy.

Pick 4-116 Ė Dorrance Armstrong, DE, Kansas (Cowboys)

Armstrong jumped out when I was looking for alternatives to Arden Key. It seems like heís got less risk, a reasonable upside, and he was drafted a lot lower. By taking Armstrong, I could trade down and get a couple more picks. He can come in as a DE/edge rusher for me, and while heís primarily a DE it appears that he can potentially play OLB. Regardless, heís a pass rusher.

Pick 4-122 Ė Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan (Raiders).

Okay, I donít need a DT at all. Not at all. But I canít pass him up, and if I stay in a 3-4 defense this year, which is likely, he can add some pass rush at the DE spot. Thereís a reason why he slipped this far, so the heart problem may be a major deal, but itís worth the risk.

My other option was Marquis Haynes, who frankly fit a lot better with my needs. I also considered Shaqueem Griffin. I need linebackers. But I couldnít pass up Hurst.

Pick 4-137 Ė Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon (Lions)

Iíve got two good tackles on the roster with Mitchell Schwartz and Morgan Moses, but theyíre both natural right tackles. I think Crosby is a good value pick who could potentially become a left tackle, or he could also slide in at guard where I have needs.

Heís a bit of a luxury pick here.

If I had picked Marquis Haynes with the earlier pick, I couldíve gotten Hurst or Crosby here. I could have also gone with Shaqueem Griffin, but I could resist Crosby for depth and a long term play.

Pick 5-159 Ė Wyatt Teller, G, Virginia Tech (Bills)

The whole time I was planning, I figured that Iíd take Ogbonnia Okoronkwo in this spot, but as the draft shook out and I realized that I needed a guard, I looked and saw Wyatt Teller in this spot. I like him as a guard prospect, so I once again passed up a linebacker that I needed.

I also had Darius Phillips and Duke Ejiofor on my radar for this spot.

Pick 6-196 Ė Jack Cichy, OLB, Wisconsin (Buccaneers)

I really liked Tremon Smith of the Chiefs and almost made him my pick, but that would require cutting another developmental cornerback, whereas I have an open roster spot for a linebacker. So Cichy gets the call on the bet that he can develop into a starting OLB.

Other players considered included Tremon Smith and Shaun Dion Hamilton.

Pick 6-209 Ė Ade Aruna, DE, Tulane (Vikings)

Purely a developmental pick, and Iíve got lots of roster room for developmental defensive ends. He seems like a potential pass rusher, so Iíll continued stocking up in the hopes that one will emerge.

I also strongly considered WR Marcell Ateman and G Colby Gossett.

Pick 7-236 Ė Justin Jackson, RB, Northwestern (Chargers)

I could use some depth at running back, and he seemed to be the best remaining talent overall. I also strongly considered several other players, including OLB Kendall Donnerson, DE Justin Lawler, DE Zach Sieler, and G Rod Taylor.

Pick 7-240 Ė Hercules Mataíafa, DE, Washington State (Undrafted, signed by Vikings as free agent)

I donít know the deal with this guy. He was described as a tweener DT/DE with a really good first step. You canít teach a fast first step so I had this guy targeted for a long time as I prepared. And then he went undrafted. Weird. Iíll take the chance that heíll stick.

I also considered WR Trey Quinn with this pick.

Rain Man 05-05-2018 03:22 AM

Here are my picks in summary form.

Yes - Round 1, Pick 22 Rashaad Penny
Yes - Round 2, pick 54 James Washington
Yes - Round 3, pick 86 Traded down for 4.116, 4-137, and 7-236
Yes - Round 4, pick 116 Dorance Armstrong
Yes - Round 4, pick 122 Maurice Hurst
Yes - Round 4, pick 137 Tyrell Crosby
Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 Wyatt Teller
Yes - Round 6, pick 196 Jack Cichy
Yes - Round 6, pick 209 Ade Aruna
Yes - Round 7, pick 236 Justin Jackson
Yes - Round 7, pick 240 Hercules Mata'afa

Rain Man 05-05-2018 05:47 AM

Here's what my training camp initial depth chart looks like, minus all of the undrafted free agents who will compete:

Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Brett Hundley (Packers)
Chad Henne
Nathan Peterman (Bills)

RB
Alvin Kamara (Saints)
Rashaad Penny
Samaje Perine (Redskins)
Justin Jackson
Akeem Hunt
Jamaal Charles (former Chiefs)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills/Saints/Chiefs)

WR
Sammy Watkins
James Washington
Kendall Wright (Titans/Bears)
Donte Moncrief (Colts)
Malachi Dupre (Packers)
Jeremy Maclin (Chiefs/Ravens)

(Free agent loss: Albert Wilson)
TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Ben Koyack (Jaguars)
Jace Amaro
Anthony Fasano (Titans/Dolphins)

OT
Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs)
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Tyrell Crosby
Corey Robinson (Lions)
Menelik Watson (Raiders/Broncos)

G
Christian Westerman (Bengals)
Evan Boehm (Cardinals)
Wyatt Teller
Dorian Johnson (Cardinals)
Alex Boone (49ers)

C
Cody Whitehair (Bears )

K
Harrison Butker
Cairo Santos, K

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
James Winchester

FS
Jordan Poyer (Eagles/Browns/Bills)
Desmond King (Chargers)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Miles Killebrew (Lions)
Derron Smith (Bengals)

CB
Marcus Peters (Chiefs)
Kendall Fuller (Redskins)
Steve Nelson (Chiefs)
David Amerson
Kalan Reed (Titans)
Keith Reasor

Free agent loss: Terrance Mitchell

OLB
AJ Klein (Panthers/Saints)
Taco Charlton (Cowboys)
Dorance Armstrong
Jack Cichy
Ejuan Price (Rams)
Tamba Hali (Chiefs)

ILB
Zach Brown (Titans)
Reggie Ragland (Chiefs)
Anthony Hitchens
Scooby Wright (Browns)
Derrick Johnson (Chiefs)

DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Caleb Brantley (Browns)
Maurice Hurst
Nate Orchard (Browns)
Ade Aruna
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings)
Hercules Mata'afa
Michael Bennett (Jaguars)

NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Andrew Billings (Bengals)
Xavier Williams

Free agent loss: Bennie Logan

I was thinking that I'd transition to a 4-3 defense this year, but I'll stay in a 3-4. Taco Charlton is a key to that and he hasn't proven himself, plus I still need an outside linebacker to step up.

kccrow 05-05-2018 04:23 PM

Here's my training camp roster... Add any UDFA/camp fodder signings that aren't on here. I put a * to separate guys that I know going into this are in that group...

Offense
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC)
QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC)
QB Matt McGloin
*
QB Chase Litton

RB Spencer Ware
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB)
RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA)
RB Charcandrick West
*
RB Damien Williams
RB Kerwynn Williams
RB Akeem Hunt

FB Anthony Sherman
*
FB J.D. Moore

WR Jeremy Maclin (cut/BAL)
WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC)
WR Chris Conley
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN)
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN)
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE)
WR De'Anthony Thomas
*
WR Nelson Spruce
WR Daniel Braverman
WR Gehrig Dieter
WR Marcus Kemp
WR Brandon Shippen
WR Elijah Marks
WR Byron Pringle

TE Travis Kelce
TE Demetrius Harris
TE Ross Travis
*
TE Jace Amaro
TE Orson Charles
TE Tim Wright
TE Blake Mack

OL Eric Fisher
OL Mitchell Schwartz
OL Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OL Dorian Johnson (#3-104/17, CAR)
OL Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN)
OL Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB)
OL Mitch Morse
OL Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL)
*
OL Jordan Devey
OL Dillon Gordon
OL Kaleb Johnson
OL Andrew Wylie
OL Ryan Hunter
OL Jimmy Murray
OL Devondre Seymour

Defense
DL Allen Bailey
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU)
DL Jarvis Jenkins (FA/17, KC)
DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches
DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC)
DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF)
DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL)
*
DL Josh Agusta
DL Stefan Charles
DL Justin Hamilton
DL T.Y. McGill

OLB Justin Houston
OLB Tamba Hali - (cut/KC)
OLB Dee Ford
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL)
OLB Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC)
OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR)
*
LB Tyrone Holmes

ILB Derrick Johnson (cut/KC, OAK)
ILB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC)
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th)
ILB Joshua Perry (#4-99/16, IND)
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX)
ILB Justin March-Lillard (MIA)
*
ILB Raymond Davidson
ILB Ben Niemann

CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC)
CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF)
CB David Amerson (FA/18, KC)
CB Steven Nelson
CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC)
CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN)
CB D.J. White (#6-178/16, KC)
CB KeiVarae Russell (#3-74/16, CIN)
CB Kalan Reed (#7-250/16, TEN)

DB Eric Berry
DB Ron Parker (cut/KC)
DB Daniel Sorensen
DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN)
*
DB Makinton Dorleant
DB Prince Charles Iworah
DB Ashton Lampkin
DB Jordan Sterns
DB Robert Golden
DB Keith Reaser
DB Will Redmond
DB Arrion Springs
DB D'Montre Wade

Special Teams
K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC)
K Zane Gonzalez (#7-222/17, CLE)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

Traded
DB Marcus Peters (to LAR w/6-209 for 4-124 + 2019-2nd)
QB Alex Smith (to WAS for 3-78 + CB Kendall Fuller)

Automatic FA Losses
WR Albert Wilson (MIA)
OL Zach Fulton (HOU)
DL Bennie Logan (TEN)
DB Kenneth Acker (IND)
DB Phillip Gaines (BUF)
CB Terrance Mitchell (CLE)

Running Draft Pick Tab
2019 4th to BUF (R. Ragland)
2019 2nd from LAR (M. Peters)

chiefscafan 05-10-2018 09:38 AM

Yep this is difficult with not an available LT at our picks

chiefscafan 05-10-2018 09:43 AM

Ok here is LA Cobras draft:

Needs:

LT, C, CB, FS/SS, TE


2:52: Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn



3:86: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama



4:122: Maurice Hurst , NT, Michigan



5:159: Kyle Fitts, DE, Utah



6:196: Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas



6:209: Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama



7:233: Jordan Mailata, OT, Australia ����



7:240: Will Clapp, OC, LSU



7:243: Hercules Mata’afa, DT/DE\OLB, Washington State

kccrow 05-11-2018 05:38 PM

Considering swapping out my 7th round pick of Logan Woodside for a UDFA, but man what a load of guys I really like with no idea they'll make a team...

WR Deontay Burnett, USC (Titans UDFA)
RB Mike Boone, Cincinnati (Vikings UDFA)
CB Holton Hill, Texas (Vikings UDFA)
CB JC Jackson, Maryland (Patriots UDFA)
SS Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern (Buccaneers UDFA)
RB Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt (Patriots UDFA)
DT Trenton Thompson, Georgia (Browns UDFA)
LB Jeff Holland, Auburn (Broncos UDFA)
OL Ryan Hunter, Bowling Green (Chiefs UDFA)
OC Jimmy Murray, Holy Cross (Chiefs UDFA)
OL Sean Welsh, Iowa (Redskins UDFA)
CB Kevin Toliver, LSU (Bears UDFA)
RB Roc Thomas, Jacksonville State (Vikings UDFA)
DT Hercules Mata'afa, Washington State (Vikings UDFA)
CB Deatrick Nichols, South Florida (Cardinals UDFA)
SS Chucky Williams, Louisville (Rams UDFA)
TE Deon Yelder, Western Kentucky (Saints UDFA)

chiefscafan 05-11-2018 06:10 PM

Yeah there was some incredible talent undrated this year. Love Hercules and actually like the center from holly cross, Pringle KSU WR, and Arrion Springs CB Oregon that we picked up.

wazu 05-31-2018 10:49 PM

Here is the 2018 draft for the Fresno Refugees:

Round 2, pick 54 - CB Donte Jackson, LSU (Panthers)
Round 3, pick 78 - WR Michael Gallup, Colorado State (Cowboys)
Round 3, pick 86 - OLB Dorian O'Daniel, Clemson (Chiefs)
Round 4, pick 122 - OT Jamarco Jones, Ohio State (Seahawks)
Round 5, Pick 159 - LB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma (Rams)
Round 6, pick 196 - WR Cedrick Wilson, Boise State (Cowboys)
Round 7, Pick 233 - DE Joe Ostman, Central Michigan (Eagles)
Round 7, pick 240 - DE Justin Lawler, SMU (Rams)
Round 7, Pick 243 - C Will Clapp, LSU (Saints)

And the remainder of my training camp roster:

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Brock Osweiler (Browns)
Paxton Lynch (Broncos)
Chad Henne
Matt McGloin

RB
Kareem Hunt
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Kerwynn Williams
Akeem Hunt

WR
Sammy Watkins
Jehu Chesson
Tavon Austin (Rams)
Rishard Matthews (Titans)
De'Anthony Thomas
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Nelson Spruce
Daniel Braverman
Gehrig Dieter
Marcus Kemp
Brandon Shippen

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Ravens)
Jace Amaro
Orson Charles
Anthony Firkser

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Vikings)
Josh James
Jordan Devey
Dillon Gordon
Kaleb Johnson
Andrew Wylie

G
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Mike Person
Max Garcia (Broncos)
Laíel Collins (Cowboys)

C
NONE

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
George Iloka (Bengals)
Kelcie McCray (Bills-Drafted)

CB
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Titans)
Devin Chappell
Makinton Dorleant
Prince Charles Iworah
Ashton Lampkin
Jordan Sterns
Robert Golden
Sheldon Price
Keith Reaser
Will Redmond

OLB
Justin Houston
Shane Ray (Broncos)
Dee Ford

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Ukeme Eligwe
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

DE
Allen Bailey
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Jarvis Jenkins
Josh Agusta
Stefan Charles
Justin Hamilton
T.Y. McGill
Mike Purcell
Tyrone Holmes

NT
Xavier Williams
Rakeem Nunez-Roches

Please call me out if there are any screw-ups spotted. I probably need to re-visit the roster. Will do so at the cut-down before the season.

kccrow 06-05-2018 11:45 AM

I made a couple of key edits to my draft/roster...

I took FS Jessie Bates in round 2 instead of CB Josh Jackson.
I took CB Holton Hill in round 7 instead of QB Logan Woodside.

The reason, really, is that the 49ers moved my 3rd round pick from safety to CB and he's doing really well in that transition which left me with a huge void yet at FS. It just makes more sense to get a safety even though I remain very high on Jackson. I did really like Bates anyhow and he'd have likely been my pick had I not traded up. To hedge my bets, I swapped out Woodside for Holton Hill, who I think is a starter in this league if he remains committed to leaving the pot alone.

Rain Man 06-24-2018 05:10 PM

I have four players in the NFL's top 100. I've got:

Russell Wilson at #11
Alvin Kamara at #20
Travis Kelce at #24
Marcus Peters at #79

I'm apparently better at identifying skill players than other position.

I'll also note that I've been playing long enough that I actually made the decision to draft Kelce and Peters instead of just inheriting them, so I can claim credit there.

Rain Man 07-13-2018 03:38 PM

Dang. My 7th round pick, Hercules Mata'afa, is out for the season with an ACL injury.

wazu 07-14-2018 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13627315)
Dang. My 7th round pick, Hercules Mata'afa, is out for the season with an ACL injury.

I believe per our amended rules you have stated we can modify our draft up until training camp, so that's an option.

Rain Man 07-14-2018 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13627917)
I believe per our amended rules you have stated we can modify our draft up until training camp, so that's an option.

Oh, good point. But I retain full confidence in Hercules. He'll be back.

kccrow 08-25-2018 03:19 PM

So basic run down so far...

2(43) Jessie Bates, FS, Wake Forest
Selected at 2(52) by Cincinnati

Looks like he will be the starter in Cincy after they released Iloka. Might turn out to be a great pick. Hopefully it is because Josh Jackson is looking great in GB...

3(86) Tarvarius Moore, CB/FS, Southern Mississippi
Selected at 3(95) by San Francisco

Well this pick started out looking really promising, but he's slid down the depth chart and I dont' know that he's more than a dime back out the gate. Reports are that he's played well.

3(95) Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Selected at 3(96) by Buffalo

Phillips is getting starter's reps while Kyle Williams is out injured. He looks to be a guy off the bench often and is definitely looking like Williams' heir.

4(122) Cole Madison, OT/G, Washington State
Selected at 5(138) by Green Bay

Well, we may not see any fruit from this pick this season. He hasn't reported to camp, out with what the team is calling a serious personal matter and nobody seems to have a clue what that entails.


5(159) Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, EDGE, Oklahoma
Selected at 5(160) by Los Angeles

Oko was getting some good reps until he broke his wheel, now he's out for some time and possibly the season.

6(196) Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
Selected at 6(198) by Kansas City

I've been somewhat impressed by this kid and he's definitely going to be on the team and see alot of ST snaps.


6(198) Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama
Selected at 6(215) by Baltimore

Last I checked, Bozeman was the #3 OC on the depth chart so I'm thinking he's probably headed for the practice squad.


7(219) Zach Sieler, DE, Ferris State
Selected at 7(238) by Baltimore

Haven't seen much yet from the kid, but he has had a couple tackles in each preseason game and good reports early in camp.


7(243) Holton Hill, CB, Texas
UDFA by Minnesota

Alot of chatter about this kid throughout camp that he looks really good and 4 tackles per game in preseason.

Rain Man 08-26-2018 08:16 PM

It would be nice if you could pull a rookie starter out of your second round pick, kccrow.

I wonder what the deal is with your fourth rounder. That's odd.

Rain Man 08-26-2018 08:50 PM

Here's an update on my rookies as we head into Preseason Week 4. My top two picks are underperforming, my mid-round picks are thriving, and my low-round picks are a M*A*S*H unit.

Round 1, Pick 22 Rashaad Penny

I'm a little worried. He hasn't been able to claim the starting job over some schmo named Chris Carson, and then broke his finger and has missed most of the preseason. It's believed that he'll be the change-of-pace back when the season starts. That's not what I was hoping for.

Yes - Round 2, pick 54 James Washington

Well, he's kind of the third receiver right now, but apparently The Rapist isn't very happy with his route adjustments so he's in the rape doghouse. I hope that's just a learning curve.

Yes - Round 3, pick 86 Traded down for 4.116, 4-137, and 7-236

Yes - Round 4, pick 116 Dorance Armstrong

Right now he's listed as the third-string LDE behind Demarcus Lawrence and Kony Ealy, but he's drawing rave reviews as the most impressive Cowboys rookie, and there are rumors that Ealy may be cut to move him up the depth chart. He's looking good right now.

Yes - Round 4, pick 122 Maurice Hurst

He's officially listed as the second-strong DT, but the reports are that he's clearly the best DT in Oakland should be starting in Week 1. Early returns are very positive.

Yes - Round 4, pick 137 Tyrell Crosby

He's officially listed as the third-string LT, but early reports are that he's playing very well and may move up. The LT position is a pleasant surprise for me. It's unlikely that he'll unseat Taylor Decker for the starting spot, though.

Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 Wyatt Teller

He's currently listed as the second-string LG and is getting good reviews. I'm hopeful since the guy ahead of him isn't a world-beater (Vladimir Ducasse).

Yes - Round 6, pick 196 Jack Cichy

He's currently listed as the third-sting LOLB, but is playing second-string now due to another player's injury, and the rumors are that he'll hold that spot. He's got a bad injury history but has been healthy and playing well. He's looking good.

Yes - Round 6, pick 209 Ade Aruna

He was the third-string LDE behind Danielle Hunter and Brian Robison in a talented field, and then blew out an ACL this week. He's on IR now.

Yes - Round 7, pick 236 Justin Jackson

He's listed as the third-string HB, but has apparently been nicked up all preseason and is in danger of not making the team. Maybe he's a practice squad candidate.

Yes - Round 7, pick 240 Hercules Mata'afa

Blown ACL in minicamp and he's out for the year.

kccrow 08-27-2018 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13694509)
It would be nice if you could pull a rookie starter out of your second round pick, kccrow.

I wonder what the deal is with your fourth rounder. That's odd.

I hope so too. No idea what's going on with Cole Madison, some speculate it's alcohol treatment, some speculate family crisis. It's really a hodgepodge of wtf and I was really looking for this guy to end my team's crisis at guard.

A weird situation you have going with Penny. I also expected him to assume the starting role and slide Carson down to the 3rd down/change of pace back. I drafted that schmo last year late and he was a pleasant surprise.

If you nail all those mid-rounders, you're going to have a damn solid team and it looks as though you might. Thankfully your MASH unit is late round picks that have trouble making rosters and being difference makers anyhow.

kccrow 09-02-2018 09:30 AM

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2018 Roster

Offense (25)
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC)
QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC)

RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA)
RB Spencer Ware
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB)
RB Darrel Williams (UDFA/18, KC)

FB Anthony Sherman

WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC)
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN)
WR Chris Conley
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN)
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE)
WR Marcus Kemp (FA/18, KC)

TE Travis Kelce
TE Demetrius Harris
TE Alex Ellis (FA/18, KC)

OT Eric Fisher
OT Mitchell Schwartz
OT Andrew Wylie (FA/18, KC)

OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OG Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN)
OG Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB)
OG Ike Boettger (FA/18, KC)

OC Mitch Morse
OC Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL)

Defense (25)
DL Allen Bailey
DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC)
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU)
DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF)
DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL)
DL Justin Hamilton (FA/18, KC)

OLB Justin Houston
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL)
OLB Dee Ford
OLB Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC)
OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR)

ILB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC)
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th)
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX)
ILB Ben Niemann (UDFA/18, KC)

CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC)
CB Steven Nelson
CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF)
CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC)
CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN)

DB Eric Berry
DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN)
DB Ron Parker (FA/18, KC)
DB Daniel Sorensen
DB Jordan Lucas (f/MIA 2020 7th, KC)

Special Teams (3)
K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

Notes: Roster still has a ways to go, but overall I'm okay with it. I have to hope Penny doesn't snag too many carries from Carson this year and it looks like I might have to find a real workhorse back soon. Other than that, the secondary definitely will need more work and so too will receiver. Hoping some picks on the D-line start to show some rewards this year. Had to swallow some pride on some cuts this year, losing two 3rd rounders. Good thing my 4th rounders are coming through for me to make up for it.
I am accepting the trade KC made for Jordan Lucas. I'm also assuming KC brings Ron Parker back for real. I don't have much time to put into this before the season starts. If KC makes any blockbuster deals or signings (hahaha), I'll edit if necessary.

Notable Cuts...
OL Dorian Johnson (#3-104/17, CAR) - Tough pill to swallow here, but after being cut again this offseason, I think I whiffed pretty hard.
CB Kalan Reed (#7-250/16, TEN) - Broke his foot then cut, but has been a bubble player his entire career.
CB KeiVarae Russell (#3-74/16, CIN) - Never, ever, trust John Dorsey again.
K Zane Gonzalez (#7-222/17, CLE) - No sense keeping a shitty kicker when I have the Butk-ick-er
WR Jeremy Maclin - Held him on the roster last year while he was in BAL, but this ship has sailed.
WR De'Anthony Thomas - Rather keep Kemp than this shitter, would have kept Pringle but he'll be re-signed next year.
QB Matt McGloin - Not worth a spot, I'd have kept Litton.
ILB Joshua Perry (#4-99/16, IND) - My OSU blinders got the best of me on this one. Retired due to concussions.
ILB Derrick Johnson - yeah...
DL Jarvis Jenkins (FA/17, KC) - Would rather go with the youth of Hamilton
RB Damien Williams (FA/18, KC) - Can't keep 5 RBs. 4 is already pushing it.
CB D.J. White (#6-178/16, IND) - Cut from Indy now too... I really thought this kid would make it as a FS in the league.
OG Ryan Hunter (UDFA/18, KC) - I really like Hunter and hope he develops on the PS and is a potential re-sign next season. I do, however, like Boettger a lot and put him in quite a few mocks when he came out.

Running Draft Pick Tab
2019 4th to BUF (R. Ragland)
2019 2nd from LAR (M. Peters)
2020 7th to MIA (J. Lucas)

Rain Man 09-02-2018 05:39 PM

Okay, the 53 man rosters are due now. kccrow is on the ball.

Rain Man 09-02-2018 06:23 PM

Whew, this was a tough process this year. I want to keep my roster realistic, but had to make a couple of stretches due to talent differentials and some challenging injuries.

Here's my 53-man roster for 2018.

QB

Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Nathan Peterman (Bills)
Chase Litton

Strong starter and young depth. I hope that Wilson doesn't get hurt while the other guys are learning, though.

RB

Alvin Kamara (Saints)
Rashaad Penny (Seahawks)
Damien Williams
Samaje Perine (Redskins)
Justin Jackson (Chargers)

The bottom of this group is pure potential. I need Kamara to come through and for Penny to develop. I hate keeping Perine and Jackson over Darrell Williams, but owe them time to develop.

WR

Sammy Watkins
James Washington (Steelers)
Donte Moncrief (Colts)
Marcus Kemp
Byron Pringle

This group is really thin, and also unproven at the top, but with potential. I need Washington to have a good rookie season. I'm keeping Pringle just because I need five, even though he's injured.

TE

Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Alex Ellis
Ben Koyack (Jaguars)

Koyack actually got cut, but I need three TEs and figure he's the best bet to find a roster. Strong at the top.

OT

Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs)
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Tyrell Crosby (Lions)
Andrew Wylie
Corey Robinson (Panthers)

I've been slowly turning this into a strength. Schwartz is out of position at LT, but Crosby and Wylie are developing as backup LTs. I like this group a lot. Wylie and Crosby can both back up the inside positions this year.

G
Wyatt Teller (Bills)
Christian Westerman (Bengals)

I've had trouble building guards, so I'm going with potential here. Both of these guys are backups on their NFL teams, but are young and hopefully ascending.

C

Cody Whitehair (Bears )

Strong here. No depth, but strong.

K

Harrison Butker

Best kicker in the league

P
Dustin Colquitt

Best punter in the league.

LS
James Winchester

Best long snapper in the league.

FS

Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Ron Parker

Poyer has been solid, and Parker is back to provide depth.

SS

Reshad Jones (Dolphins)

Pro bowler continues to produce. Killebrew is now apparently a linebacker but will back him up.

CB

Marcus Peters (Rams)
Kendall Fuller (Redskins)
Desmond King (Chargers)
Steve Nelson (Chiefs)

This is a fearsome group. Strong and deep.

OLB

AJ Klein (Saints)
Jack Cichy (Buccaneers)
Miles Killebrew (Lions)

Odd group here. I'll likely go with a 3-4 and move Charlton and Armstrong here for pass rush. Klein will get action, Cichy is depth, and Killebrew is a hybrid safety/linebacker for depth.

ILB

Zach Brown (Titans)
Reggie Ragland (Chiefs)
Anthony Hitchens
Ben Niemann
Derrick Johnson (Chiefs)

This is a very deep group. Brown and Ragland will likely start, though DJ and Hitchens will have every opportunity. Niemann will learn from a strong group.

DE

Taco Charlton (Cowboys)
Dorance Armstrong (Cowboys)
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings)
Ade Aruna
Hercules Mata'afa

Okay, these guys are listed as DEs, but I'll go 3-4 and put Charlton and Armstrong on the edge as pass rushers in many situations. Odenigbo is a backup and the other two guys are injured rookies that I'm stashing. None of these guys will see the field as a DE on my team, but I really need Charlton and Armstrong to come through as pass rushers.

DT

Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Star Lotulelei (Bills)
Andrew Billings (Bengals)
Xavier Williams
Maurice Hurst
Michael Bennett (Jaguars)

I'm going 3-4 and these guys are my line. Brandon, Star, and Billings will start with a strong rotation by the other three. Michael Bennett (the Jag, not the famous one) somehow keeps staying on my roster and is slowly ascending each year as I plan to cut him and can't.

Cuts

My six toughest cuts were:

1. Darrell Williams, RB. Potential, but position is too crowded.
2. Dorian Johnson, G. (Shrug.)
3. Caleb Brantley, DT. I thought he was doing well, but he got cut.
4. Kendall Wright, WR. Longtime leader on my team, and I think he'll catch on somewhere.
5. Brett Hundley, QB. Potential, even if it hasn't been realized.
6. Arrion Springs, CB. Potential at a crowded position.

QB - I had great depth here, and had to cut some productive players.

Brett Hundley (Packers)
Chad Henne
Matt McGloin

RB - I really hated to cut Williams. He was my 54th man. I felt that I had to keep a couple of former draft picks to continue giving them time to develop. I may regret that. Spiller was my first-round pick many years ago and I kept him on the roster for a long time.

Darrell Williams
Jamaal Charles (former Chiefs)
Akeem Hunt
C.J. Spiller. (Bills/Saints/Chiefs)
JD Moore

WR - Wright was my first round pick many years ago and served me well. I bid him well. I took a talent hit here in the offseason.

Kendall Wright (Titans/Bears)
Malachi Dupre (Packers)
Jeremy Maclin (Chiefs/Ravens)
Gehrig Dieter
Josh Crockett

TE - Cut a couple of veterans here.

Jace Amaro
Anthony Fasano (Titans/Dolphins)

OT - Watson is still on a team, but it's the Broncos. He's a high draft pick that I'm giving up on.

Menelik Watson (Broncos)

G - Lots of practice squad guys, and giving up on a couple of previous draft picks. Alex Boone was in my first draft class and served me very well for a long time.

Dorian Johnson (Cardinals)
Evan Boehm (Cardinals)
Ike Boettger
Tejan Koroma
Dillon Gordon
Alex Boone (49ers)

C - Cutting a couple of practice squad guys.

Ryan Hunter
Jimmy Murray

K - Cairo may catch on to another team, but I've got Butker.

Cairo Santos (Jets)

FS - Don't know enough about Lucas and may regret cutting him.

Jordan Lucas
Step Durham

SS - Giving up on a late round pick here.

Derron Smith (Bengals)
D'Montre Wade

CB - I hated to cut Springs, and Scandrick was good depth.

Arrion Springs
Orlando Scandrick
Kalan Reed (Titans)
Keith Reaser
David Amerson

OLB - I'm surprised to cut Price because I thought he was ascending. Hali was a great team player for a long time.

Ejuan Price (Rams)
Rob McCray
Tamba Hali (Chiefs)

ILB - Scooby was a late-round value play who can't stay on the roster.

Scooby Wright (Cardinals)

DE - I had high hopes for Orchard, but he got buried on the depth chart and never produced.

Nate Orchard (Browns)
Dee Liner

DT - I'm shocked to cut Brantley as I thought he was ascending. Oh, well.

Caleb Brantley (Browns)

kccrow 09-02-2018 11:44 PM

Surprising me with 5 RBs Rain Man. Thought you'd hang onto Wright and hope he catches on as someone's slot. Your WR corps looks about as stellar as mine at the moment.

Rain Man 09-03-2018 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13705869)
Surprising me with 5 RBs Rain Man. Thought you'd hang onto Wright and hope he catches on as someone's slot. Your WR corps looks about as stellar as mine at the moment.

Yeah, I hated cutting Wright. He's never been a star, but he's always been productive. But sometimes you have to go with youth, I guess, and I figure there's a reason that he and Maclin are both mowing their lawns right now.

My RBs are a conundrum. I have a rule where I never cut a drafted rookie, because I think they deserve at least a year to develop. So I'm keeping Justin Jackson even though he's been underwhelming so far. I thought Perine was going to be productive, and he got a lot of carries last year with some abysmal average. I think he's going down instead of up, but I want to give him one more year for the light bulb to come on.

I keep wanting to switch to a 4-3, but I may be about to give up on that. I seem to have a skill at picking big defensive linemen, and ILBs keep appearing on my roster without effort on my part, while I struggle with OLBs and 4-3 DEs.

kccrow 10-01-2018 06:38 AM

Tyler Boyd is really starting to become something for me. He's had at least 6 catches and more than 90 yards in 3 straight games and has a couple TDs.

If Mike Mother-F'n McCarthy would actually make Aaron Jones the featured back in GB my offense would be pretty well set up...

Bates is playing outstanding for a rookie at FS, so that should help ease the burden in the secondary. If I can have Tarvarius Moore hit, that'd make the 2019 draft much easier but it still looks like I'll need a SS and a CB.

Carlos Watkins hasn't played a snap for me so that's hurting the shit out of my D-Line full of projects. Phillips has been solid in his role, but we won't see him full time until 2019 I'd imagine.

Rain Man 11-04-2018 09:28 PM

My midseason update after Week 9. My early-round guys are notably unimpressive so far, which is causing concern in my franchise. My middle-round guys are doing as well as expected or better, and my late-round guys are mostly missing knees.

Maurice Hurst is my only obvious win at the moment.

Round 1, Pick 22 Rashaad Penny

Very disappointing so far. He couldn't take the starting job, and he's produced about 200 yards in total offense in spot duty with a very unimpressive ypc. He's listed as the 3rd-string HB.

Round 2, pick 54 James Washington

He's barely seen the field. 5 receptions through Week 9. Another guy who needs to step up. In fairness, he's behind some entrenched starters in Pittsburgh. He's listed as a 2nd-string WR.

Round 3, pick 86 Traded down for 4.116, 4-137, and 7-236


Yes - Round 4, pick 116 Dorance Armstrong

He's made one start behind a crowded defensive end lineup in Dallas. He's listed as a 3rd-string DE and it may be hard to move up unless some guys move on in the offseason.

Round 4, pick 122 Maurice Hurst

A bright spot in the draft. He's started 7 games and by all accounts is playing well. He may be my second-best D-lineman as a rookie.

Round 4, pick 137 Tyrell Crosby

He's only appeared in one game so far, though I've heard that he's got talent. He's listed as the 2nd-string RT.

Round 5, Pick 159 Wyatt Teller

No game action at all, but I think he's got the potential to move up over time. He's listed as the 2nd-string LG.

Round 6, pick 196 Jack Cichy

He had been playing regularly, I think on special teams, but went on IR with an ACL injury a couple of weeks ago.

Round 6, pick 209 Ade Aruna

On IR with a preseason ACL injury.

Round 7, pick 236 Justin Jackson

He's gotten a handful of rushing attempts and receptions this year as a backup. He's third-string with a hard path to move up.

Round 7, pick 240 Hercules Mata'afa

On IR with a preseason ACL injury.

kccrow 11-05-2018 12:14 PM

I'll give you an update on mine as well Rainman.

2018 Draft Notes
2(43) Jessie Bates, FS, Wake Forest
Has looked not just good as a rookie, but has been one of the best safeties in the NFL this sesaon. 60 tackles, 4 passes defensed, and 3 interceptions (1 for a TD) through 8 games.

3(86) Tarvarius Moore, CB/FS, Southern Mississippi
Huge disappointment. I banked on Moore being a guy that would at least help my secondary by being a slot guy and he can't even see the field. I'm worried this pick could be a flop.

3(95) Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Has been a solid rotational lineman for Buffalo and they see him as the heir to Kyle Williams. So far he's looked good with 19 tackles, 4 for a loss, and a fumble recovery. Next year should be his year to prove it.

4(122) Cole Madison, OT/G, Washington State
I still haven't heard anything about this kid. He was put on the Reserve/Did Not Report list back in camp and the only thing the Packers said was that they fully support whatever personal issue he had going on. It seems likely he isn't going to be with the team in 2018 and not knowing his status for 2019 sure puts a damper on my O-Line depth.

5(159) Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, EDGE, Oklahoma
Broke his foot training in May and had surgery so the Rams put him on the PUP list where he still resides.

6(196) Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
4 tackles in 7 games of action and hasn't looked very good. Does look good as a kick returner, averaging over 33 yards per on 10 attempts.

6(198) Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama
Has been a reserve lineman for the Ravens. Started a game Week 7 but has had a calf injury and out for the past 2 weeks.

7(219) Zach Sieler, DE, Ferris State
Saw very limited action in a couple games recently and has 1 tackle. He's loaded with potential, but I knew this would be a strength training year for him.

7(243) Holton Hill, CB, Texas
Getting playing time for Minnesota. Through 9 games he has 14 tackles, 3 passes defensed, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception and started a game due to injury. Also is averaging just over 28 yards per kick return on 3 returns. Reports are that the Vikings really like him.


Other Notes:
My offense looks pretty solid at the moment. Mahomes is, of course, tearing it up. Chris Carson is starting in SEA and averaging 4.5 a carry. Aaron Jones looks like he's going to be the full-time starter now in GB since the Montgomery trade and he's averaging 6.0 a carry. Spencer Ware is like a little cherry on top now since he's been resuming his backup role. Boyd has been spectacular as the #2 in Cincy this year and seems to be finally putting it together. I'm going to need to add a couple receivers soon though. McGovern is starting in Denver this year after 2 on the bench, which really helps my O-line. I may have to spend a couple picks on depth though.

Defensively, well... The D-Line is a hodgepodge of things with Phillips looking like he'll develop into a mainstay. Outside of him, it's up in the air. Right now I'm okay at OLB with Judon in the mix. I was really hoping to get a bead on Oko before the end of the year so I know what to do there given the potential Ford situation. ILB is a mess. I've burned a few picks on the position and none seem to pan out. Blair Brown was supposed to have a shot to start this year, instead, he looks more like the actress. He has 1 tackle. CB is not that great. My 3rd rounder hasn't seen the field and I have the Chiefs' trash otherwise except for Hill who just may pan out for me. At safety, I'm set for the foreseeable future at FS with Bates who is a stud. Berry being a giant pussy leaves me needing to visit the position again though for a SS and probably some depth. STs is full of studs.

Rain Man 11-05-2018 02:27 PM

Nice work on Bates, kccrow. Right now, he's looking better than both my 1st and my 2nd round picks.

kccrow 11-05-2018 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13871514)
Nice work on Bates, kccrow. Right now, he's looking better than both my 1st and my 2nd round picks.

It's like a diamond ring in a dumpster at this point haha. 8 other picks and really not one that has me too excited. I think Phillips will be what Kyle Williams has been, just a rock on the inside for a decade. He won't be flashy, just will get the job done. Won't be bad for a 3rd round pick though. Other than him, a lot of questions right now. Given my defensive picks in 2017 don't look too hot either, I'm turning into John Dorsey.

wazu 11-14-2018 10:57 PM

Overdue, but need to provide my 53 man roster:

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Brock Osweiler (Dolphins)
Chad Henne
Paxton Lynch

RB
Kareem Hunt
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Kerwynn Williams

WR
Sammy Watkins
Jehu Chesson
Tavon Austin (Cowboys)
Rishard Matthews (Jets)
De'Anthony Thomas
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Marcus Kemp
Michael Gallup (Cowboys)
Cedrick Wilson (Cowboys)

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Ravens)

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Vikings)
Jordan Devey
Andrew Wylie
Jamarco Jones (Seahawks)

G
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Max Garcia (Broncos)
La’el Collins (Cowboys)

C
Will Clapp (Saints)

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
George Iloka (Vikings)

CB
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Seahawks)
Kendall Fuller
Donte Jackson (Panthers)

OLB
Justin Houston
Shane Ray (Broncos)
Dee Ford
Dorian O'Daniel
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Rams)

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Ukeme Eligwe
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

DE
Allen Bailey
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Jarvis Jenkins
Joe Ostman (Eagles)
Justin Lawler (Rams)

NT
Xavier Williams

kccrow 11-23-2018 06:23 PM

Looking at my roster, here's my needs assessment... Doesn't look pretty... Some major holes to fill. Might have to draft more for pure need this go around. Major potential losses in bold. I'm not too worried about the RFAs, I think they all get re-signed. What the Chiefs do in FA is going to be important.

FREE AGENTS
POS PLAYER NOTES
RB3 Spencer Ware UFA
WR3 Chris Conley UFA
TE2 Demetrius Harris UFA
FB1 Anthony Sherman UFA
OG4 Ike Boettger UFA
OC1 Mitch Morse UFA
DL1 Allen Bailey UFA
OLB2 Dee Ford UFA
CB2 Steven Nelson UFA
DB3 Ron Parker UFA
WR5 Rashard Higgins RFA
DL6 Justin Hamilton ERFA
DB5 Jordan Lucas ERFA
K Harrison Butker ERFA

Potential losses in 2020 compound it with OLB3 Matt Judon, WR2 Tyler Boyd, DL2 Xavier Williams, CB1 Kendall Fuller, and OG2 Connor McGovern on the slate. Although I can't foresee any of those guys being shown the league's doors, Williams and Fuller are Chiefs FAs.

wazu 11-24-2018 01:31 PM

My team looks horrendous, but my job should be safe for the next couple of decades due to my brilliant selection of Patrick Mahomes.

kccrow 11-24-2018 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13911811)
My team looks horrendous, but my job should be safe for the next couple of decades due to my brilliant selection of Patrick Mahomes.

I dunno, fix that Dline and I think you're looking pretty solid.

Rain Man 11-24-2018 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13911811)
My team looks horrendous, but my job should be safe for the next couple of decades due to my brilliant selection of Patrick Mahomes.

Y'know, I was winning this game the past several years after drafting Russell Wison, but because I had Russell Wilson I didn't make the Mahomes trade. The entire field has flipped on me now, and I may be the last place team for the next decade or two.

kccrow 12-04-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13039172)
Draft Pick Report Update

1-010: Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech (10 KC)
Appears to be locking in the #2 spot in Kansas City and has definitely shown he'll be the future.

2-059: Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova (59 KC)
Has flashed some abilities, but definitely has some development to do. KC really needs to lock him into a position, but it seems they are just trying to get another pass rusher on the field in multiple ways at this point. Listed as 2nd string RDE.

3-104: Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh (115 ARZ)
Remains buried on the depth chart as the #3 RG, which is concerning to me.

4-132: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (142 HOU)
As of most recent depth chart, was moved to 3rd string RDE.
3 tackles in 1 GP in preseason

5-148: Blair Brown, ILB, Ohio (148 JAX)
Currently listed as 3rd string WLB.
13 tackles in 3 GP in preseason

5-180: Aaron Jones, RB, Texas El-Paso (182 GB)
Currently listed as 3rd string RB.
Limited action in 2 games. with only a handful of touches.

6-218: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (219 MIN)
Buried on depth chart, outside 6 at this point.
Looked good with limited touches (5 for 84) and has did some returning so far.

7-222: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (224 CLE)
In camp battle with Cody Parkey for the starting gig. has made his only FG attempt and both XP.

7-245: Christopher Carson, RB, Oklahoma State (249 SEA)
Not sure where he sits exactly, but with Rawls and Procise out he started against KC. He'll make the team. 21 carries for 92 yards w/ 2 td and 4 rec for 64 yards.

Ooof. If not for getting the best QB in football and 2 RBs in the top 20 in rushing at the moment, this draft would be abysmal...

Rain Man 12-04-2018 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13935585)
Ooof. If not for getting the best QB in football and 2 RBs in the top 20 in rushing at the moment, this draft would be abysmal...

And you didn't draft Kareem Hunt, either.

I drafted Alvin Kamara instead of Hunt. (Smile.)

chiefscafan 12-05-2018 11:42 AM

LT, C, CB, FS/SS, TE


2:52: Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn



3:86: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama



4:122: Maurice Hurst , NT, Michigan



5:159: Kyle Fitts, DE, Utah



6:196: Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas



6:209: Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama



7:233: Jordan Mailata, OT, Australia ����



7:240: Will Clapp, OC, LSU



7:243: Hercules Mata’afa, DT/DE\OLB, Washington State
Last edited by chiefscafan; 05-10-2018 at 08:45 AM..



QB

15 Pat Mahomes
5 AJ MCcaron
12 Brice Petty

HB
27 Kareem Hunt
28 Mark Ingram
32 Spencer Ware
89 Ty Montgomery
19 Robert Davis


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR

14 Sammy Watkins
15 Michael Crabtree
11. Demarcus Robinson
13 de Anthony thomas
19 Robert Davis
83 Daniel Braverman
4 Gherig Dieter
17 Marcus Kemp

87 Kelcie, Travis
84. Harris,
88. Jace Amaro

T

63 Chad Wheeler
71. Mitchell Schwartz
75 Jah Reid
69 Kyle Murphy
76 Duvernay-Tardif, Lauren

G

66 Jackson, Gabe
71 La'el Collins
74 Ali Marpert


C

62 Schwenkie, Brian


K
7. Harrison Butker

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin

LS

41 Winchester, james

FS


37 Kam Cancellor
49. Daniel Sorrenson

SS

29 berry, eric -
20 Kurt Coleman
27 Tyvon Branch
21 Eric Muarry

CB

38 Amerson, Dave
31 Cooper, Marcus
21 Eric Muarry
22 Kivaree Russel
24 Will Redmond

OLB

95 Jones, Jarvis
48 Bud Dupree
55 Ford, Dee
44 Myles Jack
53 Anthony Chikolo
92 Tanoh Passagnon



ILB

53 Anthony Hitchens
59 Reggie Ragland
51 spikes, brandon -
48 Klien, AJ
44 Myles Jack
62. Smith Terrence

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Rakeem Nunez-Roches
57 Caleb Brantley

DT

75 Justin Hamilton
98 Xavier Williams
94. Jarvis Jenkins
99 Rakeem Nunez Roches

wazu 12-05-2018 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13935609)
And you didn't draft Kareem Hunt, either.

I drafted Alvin Kamara instead of Hunt. (Smile.)

I remember wanting Kamara, but I think accepting the trade up for Mahomes made it basically impossible, so I settled for Hunt. So small bright side for you not drafting Mahomes.

Rain Man 12-19-2018 08:07 PM

Dang. My team is reloading this year. Travis Kelce was my only pro bowler.

I expected Russell Wilson, Alvin Kamara, and Desmond King to make it, and maybe Reshad Jones. And of course Marcus Peters didn't make it. It was quite a down year for me.

Rain Man 01-04-2019 11:23 AM

But wait. I only had one pro bowler, but I inexplicably had three all-pros: Kelce, Schwartz, and Desmond King. My team is a powerhouse!

Rain Man 01-21-2019 11:31 PM

You can google a player's name followed by pff and get pff scores. Here's how my team fared. The number to their right is their pff rank among their position group.

Overall, I think my offense was pretty potent. My WRs were weak, but having Kamara and Kelce would still give me a good passing game, and I was strong at QB, RB, TE, T, and C. Guard is a notable weakness, but I'm developing those guys. I'd give my offense a pretty good grade.

Defense is a somewhat different story. My DL was above average, so along with Zach Brown I had decent run defense. However, I have nothing remotely resembling a pass rush. My top pass rusher was Maurice Hurst with 4.0 sacks. My corners were very solid, but my safeties were below average. I think I would've gotten chewed up in the passing game with no pressure and weaknesses at some of my linebacker positions.

I think my offense would have carried me to a 10-6 season, plus or minus a game.



Russell Wilson (Seahawks) 6
Nathan Peterman (Bills) Unrated
Chase Litton Unrated

Average rank is 16, so I was well above average at this position. No depth, but I didn't need it.

RB
Alvin Kamara (Saints) 4
Damien Williams 14
Justin Jackson (Chargers) Unrated
Samaje Perine (Redskins) Unrated
Rashaad Penny (Seahawks) Unrated

Average rank is 16, so I was well above average at this position with a great 1-2 punch. Interestingly, Jackson also had a good score though he didn't get a lot of carries. I was stacked at RB this year.

WR
Sammy Watkins 48
Donte Moncrief (Jaguars) 88
Marcus Kemp Unrated
James Washington (Steelers) 122
Byron Pringle Unrated

If you have two average WRs in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. I was really weak here as my high draft pick James Washington could even come close to getting the starting job. I basically ran with no #1 receiver.

TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs) 3
Ben Koyack (Jaguars) Unrated
Alex Ellis Unrated

Average rank is 16, so I was well above average at this position. No depth, though. Kelce in essence was my #1 WR.

OT

Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs) 5
Tyrell Crosby (Lions) Unrated
Morgan Moses (Redskins) 53
Corey Robinson (Panthers) Unrated

If you have two average OTs in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. So while Schwartz is playing out of position at LT, I was still above average. Crosby had good enough scores to potentially take Moses' starting job.

G
Christian Westerman (Bengals) Unrated
Andrew Wylie 28
Wyatt Teller (Bills) 56

If you have two average OGs in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. I therefore had one of the worst starting guard tandems in the league. However, all three players are young and ascending, and Westerman had great grades from PFF. He just didn't get the starting job.

C
Cody Whitehair (Bears ) 10

Average rank is 16, so I was above average at this position. No depth, but I didn't need it.

K

Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
James Winchester

No PFF ranks for these guys, but they were all really good.

FS
Jordan Poyer (Bills) 44
Ron Parker 76
Miles Killebrew (Lions) Unrated

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) 33

If you have two average Safeties in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. With a total of 77, I was below average here.

CB
Desmond King (Chargers) 2
Steve Nelson (Chiefs) 33
Kendall Fuller (Redskins) 40
Marcus Peters (Rams) 100

If you have two average Safeties in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. Add in a nickel would rank 80 on average, and you get 144. At collective ranks of 75 for my top three combined, and I had really good CB play, with Marcus Peters to add in the dime. This group is strong.


OLB/Edge
AJ Klein (Saints) 28
Jack Cichy (Buccaneers) Unrated
Taco Charlton (Cowboys) 62
Dorance Armstrong 97
Ade Aruna Unrated

If you have two average OLB/Edges in the NFL, their ranks would be 16 and 48 (average 1st tier and average 2nd tier) for a total of 64. I was well below average here with my top two starters at 90. Cichy played well enough to take the starting spot on one side, but didn't play enough due to injury.

ILB
Zach Brown (Titans) 3
Derrick Johnson (Chiefs) Unrated
Ben Niemann Unrated
Reggie Ragland (Chiefs) 73
Anthony Hitchens 92

If you average 1.5 ILBs per team, and average rank would be 16 and 32 for a total score of 48. Zach Brown was awesome, but the other position in my 3-4 defense would have been a big hole. Ragland was the top-rated regular starter, though DJ and Niemann both deserved the starting nod over him based on grading.

DE
Maurice Hurst 49
Star Lotulelei (Bills) 105
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings) Unrated
Michael Bennett (Jaguars) Unrated
Hercules Mata'afa Unrated

NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens) 36
Andrew Billings (Bengals) 41
Xavier Williams 60

With a 3-4 I'd line up three of these guys. If you average 3.5 starting DL on a team, then average would be ranks of 18, 50, and 83. Putting Brandon Williams, Andrew Billings, and Maurice Hurst on the line would give me an above-average group.

kccrow 01-22-2019 01:10 AM

I'll give ya mine for comparison's sake I suppose Rain Man. You look MUCH better on defense than my shit show.

Offense (25)
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC) - #2
QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC) - U/R

I have the Mahomes. I don't need anyone else. :)

RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA) - #5
RB Spencer Ware - #36
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB) - #12
RB Darrel Williams (UDFA/18, KC) - U/R

Top notch stable with two backs in the top 3rd of the league and another solid backup.

FB Anthony Sherman - U/R

WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC) - #48
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN) - #12
WR Chris Conley - #113
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN) - U/R (Now with NYJ)
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE) - #58
WR Marcus Kemp (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Higgins helped make this group solid. Basically a top tier, a mid second tier, and a top third tier in Boyd, Watkins, and Higgins. Even Conley would come in as an ok 4th.

TE Travis Kelce - #3
TE Demetrius Harris - #41
TE Alex Ellis (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Gotta add behind Kelce.

OT Eric Fisher - #24
OT Mitchell Schwartz - #5
OT Andrew Wylie (FA/18, KC) - #28 (OG)

OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif - #31
OG Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN) - #50
OG Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB) - U/R
OG Ike Boettger (FA/18, KC) - U/R

OC Mitch Morse - #13
OC Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL) - U/R

I'll just address the O-Line as a whole. I think LDT is a top 10 guard normally, so having two others in the top 50 isn't bad. Will probably have to get a tackle and a center though going forward.

Defense (25)
DL Allen Bailey - #92
DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC) - #60
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU) - U/R
DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF) - #73
DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL) - U/R
DL Justin Hamilton (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Mostly a shit show. I have to get some talent in here.

OLB Justin Houston - #14
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL) - #54
OLB Dee Ford - #6
OLB Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC) - U/R
OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR) - U/R

Very good top 3 as a group. Hoping Okorokwo adds more juice in 2019.

ILB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC) - #92
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th) - #73
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX) - U/R
ILB Ben Niemann (UDFA/18, KC) - U/R

Just as bad as the Chiefs because it is the Chiefs, basically. Atrocious.

CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC) - #40
CB Steven Nelson - #33
CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF) - U/R
CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC) - U/R
CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN) - #42

Hill of made this group really solid but unspectacular. If Moore "gets it" in year two I could have a solid group pending I add a top CB early in the draft.

DB Eric Berry - U/R
DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN) - #11
DB Ron Parker (FA/18, KC) - #76
DB Daniel Sorensen - #73
DB Jordan Lucas (f/MIA 2020 7th, KC) - #80

Bates was a steal but the rest is shit. Going to have to get another day 2 product here at worst.

Special Teams (3)
K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

Overall, my roster remains too infused with Chiefs trash on defense so I'll have to continue to build there. Offensively, I'd be just fine.Offense (25)
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC) - #2
QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC) - U/R

I have the Mahomes. I don't need anyone else. :)

RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA) - #5
RB Spencer Ware - #36
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB) - #12
RB Darrel Williams (UDFA/18, KC) - U/R

Top notch stable with two backs in the top 3rd of the league and another solid backup.

FB Anthony Sherman - U/R

WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC) - #48
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN) - #12
WR Chris Conley - #113
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN) - U/R (Now with NYJ)
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE) - #58
WR Marcus Kemp (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Higgins helped make this group solid. Basically a top tier, a mid second tier, and a top third tier in Boyd, Watkins, and Higgins. Even Conley would come in as an ok 4th.

TE Travis Kelce - #3
TE Demetrius Harris - #41
TE Alex Ellis (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Gotta add behind Kelce.

OT Eric Fisher - #24
OT Mitchell Schwartz - #5
OT Andrew Wylie (FA/18, KC) - #28 (OG)

OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif - #31
OG Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN) - #50
OG Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB) - U/R
OG Ike Boettger (FA/18, KC) - U/R

OC Mitch Morse - #13
OC Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL) - U/R

I'll just address the O-Line as a whole. I think LDT is a top 10 guard normally, so having two others in the top 50 isn't bad. Will probably have to get a tackle and a center though going forward.

Defense (25)
DL Allen Bailey - #92
DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC) - #60
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU) - U/R
DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF) - #73
DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL) - U/R
DL Justin Hamilton (FA/18, KC) - U/R

Mostly a shit show. I have to get some talent in here.

OLB Justin Houston - #14
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL) - #54
OLB Dee Ford - #6
OLB Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC) - U/R
OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR) - U/R

Very good top 3 as a group. Hoping Okorokwo adds more juice in 2019.

ILB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC) - #92
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th) - #73
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX) - U/R
ILB Ben Niemann (UDFA/18, KC) - U/R

Just as bad as the Chiefs because it is the Chiefs, basically. Atrocious.

CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC) - #40
CB Steven Nelson - #33
CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF) - U/R
CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC) - U/R
CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN) - #42

Hill of made this group really solid but unspectacular. If Moore "gets it" in year two I could have a solid group pending I add a top CB early in the draft.

DB Eric Berry - U/R
DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN) - #11
DB Ron Parker (FA/18, KC) - #76
DB Daniel Sorensen - #73
DB Jordan Lucas (f/MIA 2020 7th, KC) - #80

Bates was a steal but the rest is shit. Going to have to get another day 2 product here at worst.

Special Teams (3)
K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

Overall, my roster remains too infused with Chiefs trash on defense so I'll have to continue to build there. Offensively, I'd be just fine.

Rain Man 01-22-2019 10:33 AM

You're killing me, kccrow. You're stronger on offense, even though mine is pretty good, and I think you're better on defense, mostly because you've got Dee Ford and Justin Houston. But yeah, I think you're going to be drafting d-linemen and ILBs in bulk next year.

kccrow 01-28-2019 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14063443)
You're killing me, kccrow. You're stronger on offense, even though mine is pretty good, and I think you're better on defense, mostly because you've got Dee Ford and Justin Houston. But yeah, I think you're going to be drafting d-linemen and ILBs in bulk next year.

Front 7, a CB, and a SS are going to be paramount. The Berry and Ford situations will be big. Could stand to add to the O-Line at OC and need another WR, TE, RB, and QB. Honestly can't fix it all in a season. Extra picks will help if I quit burning 2nd-4th rounders going with Chiefs' projects. May have made a turn for the better last year by mostly steering clear of what KC did.

Rain Man 01-30-2019 12:27 PM

Here's the current roster of Chiefs draft picks for next year. https://www.prosportstransactions.co...ure/Chiefs.htm

I think I'm going to be without a fourth-round pick since I accepted the trade for Ragland, and I won't get the extra second-round pick because I rejected the trade for Marcus Peters.

My main draft needs are:

Starting WR, ILB, OLB and maybe G
Future starters at LT and FS
Backup QB and TE

I've only got six picks, so I'll hope the Chiefs pick up some good free agents.

wazu 04-23-2019 02:52 PM

So it's getting to be a mess as far as draft picks and all of the trades we have to accept/decline. The Marcus Peters trade is one. I suppose now we also have Dee Ford, and if we've made all of those previous trades we have the option to trade for Clark - is that correct?

Rain Man 04-24-2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14222311)
So it's getting to be a mess as far as draft picks and all of the trades we have to accept/decline. The Marcus Peters trade is one. I suppose now we also have Dee Ford, and if we've made all of those previous trades we have the option to trade for Clark - is that correct?

Yeah, I'll get in there and sort it out. I probably should do that now. We'll just need to figure out what picks the Chiefs have and how they got them.

On a positive note, the Chiefs' free agent signings have been beautifully filling holes in my roster.

wazu 04-24-2019 09:44 AM

It occurred to me last night that it won't matter for me. I didn't draft Marcus Peters. That said, I wouldn't have accepted the Clark trade anyway, so no big deal.

Rain Man 04-25-2019 04:25 PM

Okay, here's where I see the draft order for our game.

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-61 - yours
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - yours
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above

(I'm not too worried about the details on the Streater pick since he was briefly on the team two years ago. Do what you think is right, and if you started playing less than two years ago, just take the higher pick.)


On another note, as we play longer and our rosters diverge from the Chiefs', it's harder to accept reject trades in a wheelin' dealin' NFL world. So for example, if you don't have the 2020 second rounder of the Chiefs that's in the Frank Clark trade, you can't technically make the Frank Clark trade according to our current rules. I would propose that if the Chiefs make a trade like that that involves draft picks that you don't possess, you can still make the trade if you give up an equal or greater number of draft points that the Chiefs did. So if, for example, you lack the 2020 second-round pick, you can give up your 3rd and 4th or whatever else adds up to the same draft value. Does that sound reasonable?

Rain Man 04-25-2019 04:35 PM

Here are my picks. At the moment, I'm refusing the Frank Clark trade. I like the guy and he's probably worth it, but I prefer to forge my own team at that price. I might change my mind after the NFL draft as I consider my options.

#1-29 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#2-61 - yep.

#2-63 - nope. I declined the Marcus Peters trade (and I drafted him).
#3-84 - nope. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#3-92 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#4-131 - nope. I accepted the Reggie Ragland trade last year.
#5-167 - yep.
#6-201 - yep.
#6-214 - yep.
#7-216 - yep. I kept Rod Streater for two glorious seasons.

#7-243 - nope. I had Rod and let's just say that I traded him.

kccrow 04-25-2019 07:06 PM

Other Non-Draft
- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)

Rain Man 04-25-2019 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14229909)
Other Non-Draft
- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)

Good point.

Rain Man 04-25-2019 08:45 PM

And while there'll be camp fodder added, these are the current free agent signings that can be added to your training camp roster.

Joey Ivie, NT
Henry Mondeaux, DT
Cavon Walker, DT
David Wells, TE
Pace Murphy, T
Justin Senior, T
Deon Yelder, TE
Harold Jones-Quartey, DB
Keith Reaser, DB
Austin Reiter, OL
Aaron Ripkowski, RB
Blake Bell, TE
Sammie Coates, WR
Martrell Spaight, ILB
Damien Wilson, LB
Jeremiah Attaochu, LB
Bashaud Breeland, CB
Carlos Hyde, RB
Dontae Johnson, DB
E.J. Manuel, QB
Tyrann Mathieu, S
Alex Okafor, DE
Davon Grayson, WR

Rain Man 04-26-2019 08:46 PM

Updated for the draft day trade:

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-56 - if you accept the draft day trade up
#2-61 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above

kccrow 04-28-2019 12:11 AM

Superior Yetis Offseason
 
2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason

Free Agent Losses

RB Spencer Ware, WR Chris Conley, TE Demetrius Harris, OG Ike Boettger, OC Mitch Morse, DE Allen Bailey, CB Steven Nelson, DB Ron Parker

Trade Notes
  • I agreed to trade Marcus Peters in 2018 for a 2019 2nd round selection
  • I agreed to trade a 2019 4th round pick in 2017 for Reggie Ragland.
  • I did not have Rod Streeter, so I retain pick 243.
  • I am accepting the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford to the San Francisco 49ers for a 2020 2nd round selection.
  • I am not accepting the trade for Frank Clark
  • I am not accepting the draft-day trade up.

2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.

Round 2, Selection 48 (f/MIA) | Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M (#2-48 NO)

I am trading up to get a starting center here, sending #2-61 and #2-63 to the Miami Dolphins for #2-48 and #4-116 (This is the same output they gave New Orleans on draft day). Losing Morse this offseason really hurts and Bozeman hasn't earned a starting gig in Baltimore for me so I have to go up and get a guy I think is going to be a stud at the position for years to come in McCoy. It pains me deeply to not take Thornhill, but I took Jessie Bates last year at the same position.
Pick Valuation: KC: 292 + 276 = 568 * 85% = 482.8 MIA: 420 + 62 = 482

Roune 3, Selection 92 | Oshane Ximines, ER, Old Dominion (#3-95 NYG)

I decided that I'm going to accept the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford and that leaves a hole in my depth at edge rusher. At this point I'm intent on maintaining the 3-4 defense I have in place so Ximines fits really well as an OLB. He brings a solid repetoire of rush moves to the table and maintains gap discipline as a run defender. He should have every opportunity to become a significant contributor early.

Round 4, Selection 116 (f/MIA) | Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa (#4-116 TEN)

I'm looking at the long-term here by selecting Hooker, much like the Titans selecting him as a likely future heir to Kenny Vaccarro. Mathieu is in on a 3-year deal and we'll see if he plays that out. Hooker is a prototypical box safety but he does have some abilities in coverage. He's at least great special teams depth. I could have reached out and tried to take another CB here or some defensive line help but decided I liked this value more.

Round 5, Selection 167 | Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina (#5-173 WAS)

I'm throwing darts out there every year trying to help my dismal linebacking corps and this selection is really no different. I like Holcomb's overall skill set and he'll be given an opportunity to become a starter in Washington given the Reuben Foster situation and little else at the position after Mason Foster who is already 30.

Round 6, Selection 201 | Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland (#7-219 PIT)

I really like Gray and think he has a shot to stick on Pittsburgh's roster. He's the only offensive lineman they selected this year and they could really use depth and a future replacement at LG for 33-year old Ramon Foster, which is what I see Gray becoming. He's a big, strong dude just like Foster and should be able to sit and develop for a couple of seasons. I don't have an immediate need at guard either, so if he sits and stews and turns out then that's great.

Round 6, Selection 214 (Comp) | Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame (#7-231 NO)

The back end of this draft is like throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks, but Mack has a solid opportunity in New Orleans where they signed an aging Jared Cook (32) and have nobody else behind him that can't be unseated.

Round 7, Selection 243 | Olabisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State (#7-247 MIN)
I like Johnson as a player and I think he's going to end up sticking somewhere as a slot/#3 type that can make a living underneath due to his solid frame and change of direction ability. There certainly are opportunities in Minnesota after their top 2 receivers.

Draft Notes

I'm disappointed I wasn't able to really address defensive line like I needed to. I very nearly accepted the trade up for Khalen Saunders because I do really like him, and I may end up kicking myself on that one. I just question his opportunity to be an every-down player in KC and that's kind of what I'm after at this point. Realistically, I'm probably a starter short there but I can't do much about it. There just wasn't realistic value there throughout the draft over and above what I took for players and I'm not about to drastically reach for a lesser football player. This is also one of the reasons I made the decision to part ways with Dee Ford for a 2nd round pick like KC actually did. I believe I'll need to spend early picks next year to get a couple of defensive lineman.

I also don't particularly care for my linebacker situation. I've thrown a lot of mid-round picks at the position and nothing seems to stick. I took another poke this year with Holcomb, so we'll see. I'm guessing I'll really need to hit one early next season.

Preseason Roster To Date

Spoiler!

Rain Man 04-29-2019 11:29 PM

Okay, let's start out with picks.

I didn't accept the Marcus Peters trade.
It turns out that I kept Rod Streater, so I don't get the 7th round swap up.
I reject the Frank Clark trade.
I reject the draft day trade up.
I traded for Reggie Ragland.

I'm making my own draft day trade down.

The #1-29 pick is worth 640 points, and with the 35 percent trade-down discount, that means I can trade it for 416 points. I found a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys, who are giving me in return...

#2-58 pick for 320 points
#4-128 pick for 44 points
#4-136 pick for 37.5 points

This totals 401.5 points, so Dallas is happy, and I get three picks.

Combining all of these things, that means I end up with the following picks:

Round Pick
2 58
2 61
3 92
4 128
4 136
5 167
6 201
6 214
7 243

Rain Man 04-29-2019 11:58 PM

And here come my picks:

#2-58 - WR Andy Isabella (Cardinals) - I desperately need receivers. I was torn between Isabella and Metcalf, but I like Isabella's speed. I also considered not trading down and taking one of the top cornerbacks of Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, or Deandre Baker. But I don't need cornerbacks. I would have been interested in Mecole Hardman, but didn't want to trade up to get him.

#2-61 - OLB Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens). I've been enamored with Ferguson, and my team is abysmal at rushing the passer. I also strongly considered Zach Allen, who would probably be a safer pick, but I like Ferguson as a rusher. I idly considered OLB Germaine Pratt and DE Chase Winovich, but liked Ferguson's upside more. I also considered taking Metcalf here and loading up at WR, but couldn't afford that luxury given my pass rush woes.

#3-92 - DE Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers). This was a hard pick. I considered G Dru Samia hard, with the goal of taking Joe Jackson later to fill my DE spot, but this way I can get Michael Jordan in that other spot. I hope that the Nelson/Jordan combo ends up better than the Samia/Jackson combo. I also considered T Bobby Evans, but need tackle less than other positions.

#4-128 - QB Easton Stick (Chargers). I need a backup quarterback, and Stick seems a good value in that regard. He's a stopgap who would only see action if Russell Wilson on my team goes down, but I think he's got development potential. I strongly considered Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, both of whom are probably safer picks, but I like Stick. I strongly considered Joe Jackson at DE in this spot, who I like a lot, and pondered Mack Wilson. I'd like Wilson, but need to fill other holes.

#4-136 - G Michael Jordan (Bengals). I've had trouble staffing my guard spots, and figure he's got a decent shot of grabbing a starting job. As noted above, my key question was whether to take Jordan here or take Samia earlier. I thought Jordan seemed like a better risk/reward prospect.

#5-167 - OLB Sutton Smith (Steelers). I've been intrigued by Smith and was heavily targeting him. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot, though I liked LB David Long as well.

#6-201 - WR Kelvin Harmon (Redskins). I need WR depth, and he seemed like a great value here. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot.

#6-214 - TE Isaac Nauta (Lions). I need TE depth, and he seemed like a good value. I was very torn between him and CB Kris Boyd, but eventually figured I had a better roster spot available for Nauta. I also briefly considered DE Jalen Jelks.

#7-243 - TE Caleb Wilson (Cardinals). I strongly considered DE Michael Dogbe and perhaps DE Jordan Brailford, but figured I'd stock up on my TE position.

Rain Man 04-30-2019 12:28 AM

Here's my current training camp roster.

Spoiler!

Rain Man 05-01-2019 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14238371)
2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason



2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.


I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.

kccrow 05-01-2019 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14246382)
I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.

Yeah, unfortunately, I'm kinda stuck with KC's decision making at the position for the most part so I've made it a point to address it the past 2 drafts. I had 3 guys on my mind and 2 required a trade up (Sweat and Tillery). That said, I see Murphy as a carbon copy of Asante Samuel and if he is then he's going to be a top-flight CB for years to come. If Tarvarius Moore turns out in San Francisco, and he did flash later in the year, then I got something going. Holton Hill is going to be a player in Minnesota for sure. He saw the field alot last year. So, that said I think I'm alot happier there now than I was.

I have a couple of solid receivers in Boyd and Higgins, but getting a sure thing aside from Watkins would have been nice, so going up for A.J. Brown was on the table. I felt going up and getting a top center was more important in the 2nd round. Had Connor McGovern slid a bit further in the 3rd to take at 92, I would have taken Brown instead. All said, I think I'm going to be very happy with McCoy.

My D-line is hope and prayer. I know Phillips will start in Buffalo. Sieler is penciled in to start in Baltimore but no guarantees. I have to hope that Williams and Watkins at least contribute heavily. Not addressing it could be stupid on my part.

Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.


You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.

Rain Man 05-01-2019 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14246766)

Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.

I took a long look at him, pondering taking him if I took Zach Allen in the second instead of Jaylon Ferguson. I tend to like higher risk/higher reward players for some reason, though, and I liked Ferguson, which meant that I didn't really have a spot for Ximines. I needed both a DE and and OLB.

I was also really interested in Sutton Smith, so he was my luxury pick, and I've had a devil of a time getting OLBs, so I'm trying to give myself more chances to win one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14246766)
You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.

Time will tell if I should've taken Metcalf or Isabella. Metcalf was probably the safer pick, and I suspect he'll thrive with Russell Wilson throwing to him, just like Hardman will thrive with Mahomes throwing to him. Isabella's a bigger risk in that regard, but I have a weakness for shifty speed.

wazu 06-23-2019 11:15 AM

Trying to catch up on all of this so spent a couple of hours this morning going through it all. Think I figured out draft situation correctly. I didn't peruse anybody else's draft here before landing but do see now that I'm not the only one who picked Ximines.

2019 Draft Picks:

1-29 DE L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
2-61 S Taylor Rapp (Rams)
3-92 DE Oshane Ximines (Giants)
5-167 OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)
6-214 CB Kris Boyd (Vikings)
7-243 WR Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

Updated Roster

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Paxton Lynch (Seahawks)
Chad Henne

RB
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Carlos Hyde
Aaron Ripkowski

WR
Sammy Watkins
Tavon Austin (Cowboys)
Rishard Matthews (Saints)
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Michael Gallup (Cowboys)
Cedrick Wilson (Cowboys)
Gehrig Dieter
Marcus Kemp
Byron Pringle
Sammie Coates
Davon Grayson
Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Cardinals)
David Wells
Deon Yelder
Blake Bell

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Bears)
La’el Collins (Cowboys)
Jamarco Jones (Seahawks)
Pace Murphy
Justin Senior
OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)

G
Andrew Wylie
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Max Garcia (Cardinals)

C
Austin Reiter
Will Clapp (Saints)

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
George Iloka (Cowboys)
Tyrann Mathieu
Dontae Johnson
Keith Reaser
Taylor Rapp (Rams)

CB
Kendall Fuller
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Seahawks)
Donte Jackson (Panthers)
Bashaud Breeland
Harold Jones-Quartey
Kris Boyd (Vikings)

OLB
Shane Ray (Ravens)
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Rams)
Justin Lawler (Rams)
Damien Wilson
Jeremiah Attaochu
Darron Lee

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Vontaze Burflict (Raiders)
Martrell Spaight

DE
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Alex Okafor
Joe Ostman (Eagles)
L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
Oshane Ximines (Giants)

DT
Xavier Williams
Henry Mondeaux
Cavon Walker

kccrow 06-25-2019 11:50 AM

We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone.

I'm in on that one.

Rain Man 06-26-2019 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14321617)
We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone.

I'm in on that one.

Good point. I'll be delighted to make that trade.

listopencil 06-28-2019 03:20 PM

Hey Rainman, is this an ermine?








Rain Man 06-28-2019 03:36 PM

Wow, that's an awesome ermine.

What a team mascot that would make.

wazu 08-21-2019 08:45 PM

I'm regretting already that I didn't just go along with Frank Clark.

Rain Man 08-21-2019 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14404317)
I'm regretting already that I didn't just go along with Frank Clark.

Yeah, maybe so. None of my guys so far has captured a starting job, which I guess I should expect by trading down. But I think I'm a genius by making these moves.


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